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Hi all dose anyone know the spec's of the Mars pattern lasgun I have had a look around on lexicanum and a few other places and cant find anything. I am hoping some of you wise Dakkarites will know something. I am looking to get all the specs i can really but hears the list im wanting to fill

1. Effective range
2. Rate of fire
3. How powerful is the shot
4. Can the shot intensity be varied
5. Size of the magazine
6. What sights dose this pattern come equipped with
7. Weight of the weapon
8. Size of the weapon
9. How rare is this lasgun pattern compared to other patterns
10. Who uses this pattern (I know the Tallarn Desert Raiders and Finreht Highlanders use the mars pattern)
11. Is this pattern superior to most other lasgun patterns or is it just as bog standard as the other thousands of patterns out there

Any info on this particular lasgun pattern will be much appreciated.

From the Inquisitor rulebook, we get the following;

Lasgun (Mars Pattern)
Type: Basic
Range: C
Mode: Single
Acc: -
Dam: 2d6
Shots: 60
Rld: 2
Wt: 25

So, it doesn't have an automatic firing mode, and it does not have multiple charge settings (so no, the shot intensity cannot be varied).

Range C translates as "completely accurate up to 5 yards" (about 15 feet) and "Accurate up to 20 yards" (about 60 feet).

After that, it loses a degree of accuracy every fifteen yards.

For comparison, a Bolter (Mk IV, Sickle Mag - what Marines normally have) is range F ("Completely accurate up to 20 yards", "Innacurate at 20-30 yards" and decreasing a step and a half in accuracy every ten yards thereafter).

The Triplex pattern lasgun has different energy settings, and the Necromunda pattern has semi-auto firing mode. Both are range E (Completely accurate up to 10 yards, mostly accurate between ten and fifteen yards, inaccurate at 20 yards), but the Necromunda pattern only have 50 shots in the magazine and weighs 5 more.

Helpfully, the weight ratings in the Inquisitor book don't have a units value attached to them - mostly because Inquisitor only counts weight for weapons as "you suffer penalties if it's more than your strength score".

From the Dark Heresy II Beta rulebook, we get the following:

Lasgun
Type: Basic
Range: 160m (this means it is accurate with no penalties out to 160m)
Rate of Fire: 2 (this means it can be fired 2 times with every action point, meaning that in a full turn (5 seconds) it can fire eight shots)
Damage: 1d10+2 Energy
Pen: 0
Clip: 24
RLD: 2 (this means it takes two action points to reload)
Special rules:
-Overcharge (this means it has a variable setting, adding +2 to damage)
-Reliable (this means it basically never jams)

As for weight, it's 4 kilograms.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
From the Inquisitor rulebook, we get the following;

Lasgun (Mars Pattern)
Type: Basic
Range: C
Mode: Single
Acc: -
Dam: 2d6
Shots: 60
Rld: 2
Wt: 25

So, it doesn't have an automatic firing mode, and it does not have multiple charge settings (so no, the shot intensity cannot be varied).

Range C translates as "completely accurate up to 5 yards" (about 15 feet) and "Accurate up to 20 yards" (about 60 feet).

After that, it loses a degree of accuracy every fifteen yards.

For comparison, a Bolter (Mk IV, Sickle Mag - what Marines normally have) is range F ("Completely accurate up to 20 yards", "Innacurate at 20-30 yards" and decreasing a step and a half in accuracy every ten yards thereafter).

The Triplex pattern lasgun has different energy settings, and the Necromunda pattern has semi-auto firing mode. Both are range E (Completely accurate up to 10 yards, mostly accurate between ten and fifteen yards, inaccurate at 20 yards), but the Necromunda pattern only have 50 shots in the magazine and weighs 5 more.

Helpfully, the weight ratings in the Inquisitor book don't have a units value attached to them - mostly because Inquisitor only counts weight for weapons as "you suffer penalties if it's more than your strength score".

Out of curiousity, how much damage does the Bolter have?

Also, as far as I know, the Mark Vb Godwyn Pattern Bolter is the standard Marine Boltgun.

Well, the bolter mark has probably been updated since the Inquisitor rulebook came out.. ^^;

Bolter, bolter... MkII, MkIII, and both MkIV magazine types (and the bolt pistol)... 2D10+4 Damage. RoF is Single/Semi(2).

Main differences are that the MkII has less range and only takes straight (15 round) magazines, and the MkIII only takes belt magazines (30 rounds, takes twice as long to reload).

Storm Bolter is identical to a MkIII, except that it's Semi (2/4) instead of Single/Semi(2).

Unit1126PLL - is that specifically for the Mars pattern, or is that just 'general lasgun' stats?

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Well, the bolter mark has probably been updated since the Inquisitor rulebook came out.. ^^;

Bolter, bolter... MkII, MkIII, and both MkIV magazine types (and the bolt pistol)... 2D10+4 Damage. RoF is Single/Semi(2).

Main differences are that the MkII has less range and only takes straight (15 round) magazines, and the MkIII only takes belt magazines (30 rounds, takes twice as long to reload).

Storm Bolter is identical to a MkIII, except that it's Semi (2/4) instead of Single/Semi(2).

Unit1126PLL - is that specifically for the Mars pattern, or is that just 'general lasgun' stats?

General lasgun, though there is a blurb saying that because of the Departmento Munitorum standardization requirements, the differences between patterns are mainly cosmetic, and players are free to choose whichever pattern they wish (from the Vostroyan heirlooms to the bare-metal stock frame lasguns of some industrial-world regiments).

Well, Dark Heresy is Dark Heresy. I still haven't forgiven them for civilian bolters.

That said, the pattern differences aren't unique - there's no reason a Ryza pattern lasgun wouldn't have semi-auto mode AND variable charge settings, for example.

What is wrong with civilian bolters? If Necromunda Underhivers can get their hands on the things, they can't be that hard to source.

Well to be fair, the creators did say that grey knights, deathwatch and the "astres" bolters were specifically more powerful than what the fluff says they would be. They were designed for marine fanboys, quite literally,

As far as the amount of "ammo". I recall looking at some sort of GW marker token package in the local hobby store and seeing a mock up of what appear to be a las gun power pack. I smiled when I saw they were all of different "manufacturing origin". One might have been a Mars pattern power pack; and each of them listed a different shot capacity varying from about 90 to 127 depending on the make of the pack. Might be worth a look next time you are in a hobby store for some answers.

FM Argos

 Flinty wrote:
What is wrong with civilian bolters? If Necromunda Underhivers can get their hands on the things, they can't be that hard to source.

A bolter is a bolter... but more to the point, the idea that dedicated military forces like the Imperial Guard and Adepta Sororitas are armed with civilian-grade weapons is what I find offensive.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
What is wrong with civilian bolters? If Necromunda Underhivers can get their hands on the things, they can't be that hard to source.

A bolter is a bolter... but more to the point, the idea that dedicated military forces like the Imperial Guard and Adepta Sororitas are armed with civilian-grade weapons is what I find offensive.

what's civilian grade about their stuff?

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
What is wrong with civilian bolters? If Necromunda Underhivers can get their hands on the things, they can't be that hard to source.

A bolter is a bolter... but more to the point, the idea that dedicated military forces like the Imperial Guard and Adepta Sororitas are armed with civilian-grade weapons is what I find offensive.

There are civilians in the US that have miniguns, flamers etc, but I would hardly call that civilian-grade weapons. Some civilians somehow manage to get military-grade weapons, not the other way around

 Flinty wrote:
What is wrong with civilian bolters? If Necromunda Underhivers can get their hands on the things, they can't be that hard to source.

Bolter is a weapon type. Astartes designed bolters are .75 calibre, and noted as being so massive that they are hard to lift, with recoil that would injure a normal man. It's a pretty logical assumption then that Imperial guard and other bolt weapons are the more reasonable .50 calibre. Large rounds, do a ton of damage, but manageable for a human (think a Desert Eagle where the bullet also has a small rocket motor in addition to the normal charge)

Except for the fact that the book explicitly calls them civilian grade, but still calls them .75 cal, they just do arbritarily less damage.

It uses the actual words 'civilian grade bolter' to describe weapons that are being issued to orders militant and the army.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Except for the fact that the book explicitly calls them civilian grade, but still calls them .75 cal, they just do arbritarily less damage.

It uses the actual words 'civilian grade bolter' to describe weapons that are being issued to orders militant and the army.

Yeah, but the un-fluffy 'astartes' bloter do 2d10+5 damage, which is more than pulse rifles, heavy bolters, plasma guns, ect. You sould not base anything on deathwatch, beacuse the designers themselves even said it was bolter-porn.
OT, check the imperial infintryman's uplifting pimer. BL still sells a grouping of it and two others in one book.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
What is wrong with civilian bolters? If Necromunda Underhivers can get their hands on the things, they can't be that hard to source.

Bolter is a weapon type. Astartes designed bolters are .75 calibre, and noted as being so massive that they are hard to lift, with recoil that would injure a normal man. It's a pretty logical assumption then that Imperial guard and other bolt weapons are the more reasonable .50 calibre. Large rounds, do a ton of damage, but manageable for a human (think a Desert Eagle where the bullet also has a small rocket motor in addition to the normal charge)

There is no such thing as a .50 cal bolter. Standard bolter caliber is .75, 1.00 for a Heavy Bolter.

A bolter is a bolter is a bolter.