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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Well they're trying to with Escalation, but they're doing it in a pretty shady way by not at least making one Forgeworld/superheavy option through Normal GW for every faction.

If they at least one plastic option through normal GW option for a superheavy for everyone instead of throwing some armies a bone and the rest are with left with terrible FW prices, it woulndt be as bad

The fabled plastic Thunderhawk comes to mind...

I didn't necessarily just mean the scale of FW, I more meant the quality and the aesthetic. The 30k Marines look so much cooler than the 40k Marines, DKoK look so much cooler than Cadians and Catachan. The FW greater daemons aren't just bigger than GW greater daemons, they actually have a much more appealing aesthetic. Look through all the Fantasy monsters on the FW page and they aren't just bigger, they look a million times better.

It's like the aesthetic designers at FW are much better than those who do the GW models.


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 Swastakowey wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I really wish GW would take some of the awesomeness of FW and start putting it in to the mainstream game. If DKoK had a plastic kit instead of Cadians and Catachans, they'd sell like hot cakes. If the GW daemons looked like the FW daemons, I'd have a daemon army by now.

The main reason I tend to not buy 3rd party models all that much is I like an army to have a cohesive feel to it, and while some 3rd party models look awesome compared to GW models, they often lack the necessary range to completely create a whole army from them and they don't look cohesive next to GW models or other 3rd party models.

With a bit of work, it can work. My blog is in my sig and its (so Far besides vehicles) all Victoria Minis, I have some Perry miniatures im doing up now for them too. It looks great for what i was trying to acheive (although someone else painted them). It can work just gotta plan it out, something you dont have to do with GW.

Yeah, Imperial Guard are one of the few armies where it can work because there's so much selection. Bretonnians are another one that can work because there's enough historic models that you can pretty much do an entire army with all non-GW models. I find most other armies are lacking though.

Unfortunately the 2 armies where I think it works well, IG and Brets, I already have a large Bret army from when they came out in 5th edition so I don't really have any motivation to go a historic theme Bret army, and my favourite IG models are DKoK and Cadians (I wish Cadians weren't bobble headed, but I really like the Starship Troopers aesthetic).

Got 5k of Orks, 100% of which has been bought 2nd hand and then built into whatever using bits.

Definitely the extreme case of a cheapo player with the most 2nd hand friendly army, but still...

When buying eBay be careful though. I bought a dreadnought drop pod advertised as forge world. When it arrived it was a soap bar green colored resin. Warped worse then forge world stuff I've had before. Obvious recast. They're out there.

Johnnytorrance wrote:
When buying eBay be careful though. I bought a dreadnought drop pod advertised as forge world. When it arrived it was a soap bar green colored resin. Warped worse then forge world stuff I've had before. Obvious recast. They're out there.

Unfortunately, neither colour of resin (albeit green would be unusual) nor poor casting quality necessarily mean it was fake.

I like EBay, just won 2 auctions for the 2012 Games Day Blood Angel Captain. I also use Amazon, why Amazon when I have a local shop that sells GW you ask? Well it's because I work nights and sometimes when I'm tired I browse, put stuff in my shopping cart, walk away, then go back and buy it when I'm half asleep. When Brown Santa comes ringing the doorbell at the house it's like someone sent me a present. kind of...

 azreal13 wrote:

Johnnytorrance wrote:
When buying eBay be careful though. I bought a dreadnought drop pod advertised as forge world. When it arrived it was a soap bar green colored resin. Warped worse then forge world stuff I've had before. Obvious recast. They're out there.

Unfortunately, neither colour of resin (albeit green would be unusual) nor poor casting quality necessarily mean it was fake.

Didnt want a fresh smelling Irish Spring drop pod? Freshness all the way through the atmosphere

 Jimsolo wrote:
and Forgeworld won't deal through local shops, so I'm not picking the pocket of the Mom-n-Pop store owner either.

I see, so stealing is ok as long as you're stealing from a big enough company?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Personally, the choice between paying full price and feeling good and fluffy or saving a couple of hundred bucks and feeling slightly guilty; I'll honestly take the second choice. But thats just me.

Or, here's an idea: don't buy it at all. You don't need to own a particular gaming model, either buy it legally or find something else to do with your money.

Is it morally wrong to overcharge for an item because you know you can because you're the only one that makes it?

No, because no concept of "overcharging" exists for a luxury item like gaming models. And no, your personal desire to pay less for a product doesn't mean that it's overpriced.

You could put some light on the situation and think that the GST isnt going to the US governnent, which is now not going to their "defense" budget, which is therefore not bombing civiliians... He is saving lives in his own way, let him be

Ah Peregrine, you really don't deal outside of black and white well do you?

While I couldn't, and won't, defend 'stealing' as anything other than wrong, it does tickle me how you only seem to deal in binary absolutes in any given discussion.

I wish I knew you better IRL, because I'm pretty sure there would be (as with anyone) plenty of instances where I could call you out for posting hypocritical bullgak on here when I suspect your online opinion doesn't really reflect your real life actions.

 Kelly502 wrote:
I like EBay, just won 2 auctions for the 2012 Games Day Blood Angel Captain. I also use Amazon, why Amazon when I have a local shop that sells GW you ask? Well it's because I work nights and sometimes when I'm tired I browse, put stuff in my shopping cart, walk away, then go back and buy it when I'm half asleep. When Brown Santa comes ringing the doorbell at the house it's like someone sent me a present. kind of...

You sir win the internet for being my long lost brother. I do the same kinds of things, sans night work.


On topic.

I'll buy casts, recasts, rerecasts....any kind of casts as long as I like the model and it's convenient.

Don't mind Peregrine, he just like to rile people up.

I'll say the following. If you buy unprimed unassembled models with no packaging from ebay. You are buying a recast usually. I would know. I sell them.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
and Forgeworld won't deal through local shops, so I'm not picking the pocket of the Mom-n-Pop store owner either.

I see, so stealing is ok as long as you're stealing from a big enough company?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Personally, the choice between paying full price and feeling good and fluffy or saving a couple of hundred bucks and feeling slightly guilty; I'll honestly take the second choice. But thats just me.

Or, here's an idea: don't buy it at all. You don't need to own a particular gaming model, either buy it legally or find something else to do with your money.

Is it morally wrong to overcharge for an item because you know you can because you're the only one that makes it?

No, because no concept of "overcharging" exists for a luxury item like gaming models. And no, your personal desire to pay less for a product doesn't mean that it's overpriced.

Haven't ever bought a recast but might now out of spite of internet self-rightousness.

Being luxury item doesnt mean it can't be overpriced. If no one buys enough of it to make a profit, its by definition "overpriced" regardless of what it is. Its called pricing yourself out of a market.

yep to the above, i have supported GW for 25 years, i have spent THOUSANDS at least and they have actually priced me out too, now here is the kicker, if GW prices were reasonable in the first place people like me would not even consider going to recasters or 3rd party, look at what steam did in russia and they proved that sell it cheap to kill piracy can turn a profit

Amazing to me how people attempt to justify theft with the recasts. It's very black and white to me. *shrug*

 cvtuttle wrote:
Amazing to me how people attempt to justify theft with the recasts. It's very black and white to me. *shrug*

Yup I'll agree to that. If it's not your work, and you re-cast it and sell it, theft.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Being luxury item doesnt mean it can't be overpriced. If no one buys enough of it to make a profit, its by definition "overpriced" regardless of what it is. Its called pricing yourself out of a market.

Yes, there's such a thing as pricing yourself out of a sale, and it's often a bad business strategy. But that doesn't magically turn into some kind of moral issue where you're justified in stealing a product because the seller is wrong to sell it for so much. If you're priced out of GW's market then leave the market, don't steal the models just because you want them to be cheaper.

 Formosa wrote:
yep to the above, i have supported GW for 25 years, i have spent THOUSANDS at least and they have actually priced me out too, now here is the kicker, if GW prices were reasonable in the first place people like me would not even consider going to recasters or 3rd party, look at what steam did in russia and they proved that sell it cheap to kill piracy can turn a profit

And what you miss here is that GW can't compete with recasters. All the recaster has to do is the actual casting work, they don't have to spend money to pay the artists to design the model, or the rule authors who make the game that you're buying the model for, or the customer service department to handle your problems and replace any defective parts, or the factory workers in a country with minimum wage laws and safe working conditions. Your attempt to provide yourself with some bizarre moral high ground here is just laughably wrong.

Ebay, ebay, and more ebay. I really wish I could buy something from GW, but I refuse to be exploited.

With so many options/alternatives available to fans - gw would be wise to offer some kind of incentive for customers to be loyal. its hard to shake the feeling of apathy, we get from gw. a lot of people that are teetering on the fence are just waiting for gw to throw them a bone.. or some sign that says 'hey we appreciate you guys remaining with us, even when its easier than ever to find cheaper products'.

yea I know people shouldn't be rewarded for simply obeying the law, but a little customer appreciation goes a long way.

WrentheFaceless wrote:Haven't ever bought a recast but might now out of spite of internet self-rightousness.

Being luxury item doesnt mean it can't be overpriced. If no one buys enough of it to make a profit, its by definition "overpriced" regardless of what it is. Its called pricing yourself out of a market.

You suggested it wasn't morale for a company to price it high. Yes, there is such a thing as overpriced, but unless it's something essential (food, water, housing, etc), I don't see it as being immoral. It is entirely up to the consumer to decide if the price is worth while or not, there is no morale issue here. If you were the lone supplier of food in a town and you priced it above the wages of the common folk when you didn't have to, that's when morality starts to come in to it.

Luxury items can be overpriced, but it's a stretch to suggest it's immoral

cvtuttle wrote:Amazing to me how people attempt to justify theft with the recasts. It's very black and white to me. *shrug*

Well, as has been pointed out, legally it's not theft. I made my opinion known previously (yes it's illegal, yes I think it's wrong if the company is still producing the model, no I don't think it's wrong if the model is OOP), but many people feel copyright in itself is wrong... I don't agree with those people (I agree the laws are flawed, but not that copyright itself is bad), but such people definitely exist.

sand.zzz wrote:
With so many options/alternatives available to fans - gw would be wise to offer some kind of incentive for customers to be loyal. its hard to shake the feeling of apathy, we get from gw. a lot of people that are teetering on the fence are just waiting for gw to throw them a bone.. or some sign that says 'hey we appreciate you guys remaining with us, even when its easier than ever to find cheaper products'.

yea I know people shouldn't be rewarded for simply obeying the law, but a little customer appreciation goes a long way.

Like many on here, I know how to source recasts, but frankly, the only stuff I really want is so expensive that even the recast prices are beyond what I am willing/able to pay.

What I have noticed while browsing some of the sites, is it is almost impossible to find recast Warmachine, Infinity or anything else from the most popular non-GW systems, while it is eminently possible to fall over recast GW and FW stuff without even specifically looking for it. Now, some, probably the majority, of the drive behind that will purely be down to size of market, but if you are already set up to manufacture minis without any design or development required, surely the effort to acquire a box or blister of anything, so that you can at least cast it to order and offer it for sale, must be minimal?

So, is there another force at work? Some people probably have a romantic image of themselves "sticking it to the man" like some sort of Capt Jack by not buying legit product, some no doubt are motivated solely by price, but I do wonder if another aspect is down to the level of dissatisfaction in GW's customer base that isn't really found elsewhere in this hobby? I've certainly discussed this theory with some other gamer friends, and the general gist seems to be they are happy to buy official product from other companies because they like what they do and want to support them, but GW don't seem to inspire the same loyalty, and that might in turn feed into people's motivation to buy recast product while not feeling bad about it.


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 cvtuttle wrote:
Amazing to me how people attempt to justify theft with the recasts. It's very black and white to me. *shrug*

It is amazing to me how people appear to react to the idea of purchasing recast minis in the same way I might react to seeing someone club a nun to death with a puppy, but it happens.

Wait, not amazing, amusing!

 cvtuttle wrote:
Amazing to me how people attempt to justify theft with the recasts. It's very black and white to me. *shrug*

It amazes me how many people try to justify stealing from a customer base because they are loyal, well my loyalty has been burned, also i am not stealing anything, its the recasters that are the ones stealing, i am buying from them and while it may be morally wrong, so is treating your customers and fanbase like total crap.

Now if it were just me i can understand, but its not, its a whole lot of people who feel the same way, that tells me that there is something deeply wrong with the policies of GW.

On the other side of the fence however I buy Forge world full price from them, they are not gauging me for £30 for 10 hammerers that look worse than the avatars of war minis and they cost alot less!

 azreal13 wrote:
What I have noticed while browsing some of the sites, is it is almost impossible to find recast Warmachine, Infinity or anything else from the most popular non-GW systems, while it is eminently possible to fall over recast GW and FW stuff without even specifically looking for it. Now, some, probably the majority, of the drive behind that will purely be down to size of market, but if you are already set up to manufacture minis without any design or development required, surely the effort to acquire a box or blister of anything, so that you can at least cast it to order and offer it for sale, must be minimal?

So, is there another force at work? Some people probably have a romantic image of themselves "sticking it to the man" like some sort of Capt Jack by not buying legit product, some no doubt are motivated solely by price, but I do wonder if another aspect is down to the level of dissatisfaction in GW's customer base that isn't really found elsewhere in this hobby? I've certainly discussed this theory with some other gamer friends, and the general gist seems to be they are happy to buy official product from other companies because they like what they do and want to support them, but GW don't seem to inspire the same loyalty, and that might in turn feed into people's motivation to buy recast product while not feeling bad about it.

Well, you still have to be able to sell a decent amount even as a recaster. Casting supplies aren't THAT cheap and to justify the time it's going to take to do it, you need to be able to sell enough to make it worthwhile.

The miniature market is small. GW is still the biggest company in town and their revenue in a year isn't even as much as a single AAA video game would pull these days. So I liken not being able to find other manufacturer's miniatures as recasts similar to not being able to find a video game or movie that isn't overly popular or mainstream online to pirate.

So if you're going to pirate non-GW stuff, you'll move less stock because it's not popular and you probably won't make as much on each one either because other companies have less of a mark up than GW.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
What I have noticed while browsing some of the sites, is it is almost impossible to find recast Warmachine, Infinity or anything else from the most popular non-GW systems, while it is eminently possible to fall over recast GW and FW stuff without even specifically looking for it. Now, some, probably the majority, of the drive behind that will purely be down to size of market, but if you are already set up to manufacture minis without any design or development required, surely the effort to acquire a box or blister of anything, so that you can at least cast it to order and offer it for sale, must be minimal?

So, is there another force at work? Some people probably have a romantic image of themselves "sticking it to the man" like some sort of Capt Jack by not buying legit product, some no doubt are motivated solely by price, but I do wonder if another aspect is down to the level of dissatisfaction in GW's customer base that isn't really found elsewhere in this hobby? I've certainly discussed this theory with some other gamer friends, and the general gist seems to be they are happy to buy official product from other companies because they like what they do and want to support them, but GW don't seem to inspire the same loyalty, and that might in turn feed into people's motivation to buy recast product while not feeling bad about it.

Well, you still have to be able to sell a decent amount even as a recaster. Casting supplies aren't THAT cheap and to justify the time it's going to take to do it, you need to be able to sell enough to make it worthwhile.

The miniature market is small. GW is still the biggest company in town and their revenue in a year isn't even as much as a single AAA video game would pull these days. So I liken not being able to find other manufacturer's miniatures as recasts similar to not being able to find a video game or movie that isn't overly popular or mainstream online to pirate.

So if you're going to pirate non-GW stuff, you'll move less stock because it's not popular and you probably won't make as much on each one either because other companies have less of a mark up than GW.

I was talking to a recaster and he said GW models are a gold mine, so many people buy from him BECAUSE they simply are sick of GW and thats the main reason 99% of the time. The main attitude is why support a company that does what t does? Unlike the other companies whose fanbase is pretty happy, he said someone tried doing flames of war but nobody purchased it because they are happy with that company, he got heaps of hate mail for it. I can see why too. Unlike GW recasters who get nearly no hate mail at all.

So a huge part of it has to do with the attitude GW ex customers have against GW as a company. So coming from a near full time recaster guy who lives in some chinese place apparently it has to a lot with the attitude of disgruntled players.

But like everything else, everyone has their reasons.

 Swastakowey wrote:
But like everything else, everyone has their reasons.

Yep, at the end of the day I agree. But IMO the reasons still don't justify it. I'm not going to go around calling it theft or stealing, that's not what it is (legally). If you're disgruntled, it's massively self entitled to think going for recasts is ok. Copyright is there for a reason, and IMO buying a recast of a model that GW are still trying to sell is exactly the reason copyright laws exist. If you're unhappy with GW, stop buying their models, don't start buying from from recasters. Buy Mantic or Privateer or Perry.

If those companies don't make what you want, then I'm sorry but my opinion is "suck it up and live with it".

Buying from recasters does nothing but harm to the hobby regardless of the self entitled justification someone might have. You're giving money to someone who is not contributing to the hobby by creating their own ideas to expand the hobby, you're giving money to someone who is inhibiting the hobby by taking ideas from people who are actually expanding the hobby.

Regardless of whether you like GW, THEY are the ones creating the content. THEY are the ones putting in the time to create a model that YOU want. If you aren't willing to pay their price, too bad.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
But like everything else, everyone has their reasons.

Yep, at the end of the day I agree. But IMO the reasons still don't justify it. I'm not going to go around calling it theft or stealing, that's not what it is (legally). If you're disgruntled, it's massively self entitled to think going for recasts is ok. Copyright is there for a reason, and IMO buying a recast of a model that GW are still trying to sell is exactly the reason copyright laws exist. If you're unhappy with GW, stop buying their models, don't start buying from from recasters. Buy Mantic or Privateer or Perry.

If those companies don't make what you want, then I'm sorry but my opinion is "suck it up and live with it".

Buying from recasters does nothing but harm to the hobby regardless of the self entitled justification someone might have. You're giving money to someone who is not contributing to the hobby by creating their own ideas to expand the hobby, you're giving money to someone who is inhibiting the hobby by taking ideas from people who are actually expanding the hobby.

Regardless of whether you like GW, THEY are the ones creating the content. THEY are the ones putting in the time to create a model that YOU want. If you aren't willing to pay their price, too bad.

I do, all my models are 3rd party except 1 vehicle. Admittedly I will by more vehicles but sorry if you feel im ruining your hobby, frankly if GW dies im happy to keep using what they have left and continue supporting other companies like I do now. Im not justifying anything either, I know its wrong, but its wrong every time I drink coke, or throw out my garbage weekly, or throw out food and the list goes on. We live in a western countries and in western countries we do a lot of wrong every day. I think buying recasts is hardly as bad as many things we do weekly. Where do most of our shoes come from? By in large some kid in a sweat shop probably made them. Its all about where you draw the line really but in my opinion if you are gonna worry about something, luxuries shouldn't be one of them.

Its wrong, but I am ok with that, just like i am ok with buying my shoes, fire works, clothes and who knows what else. Its just another wrong thing to add to the list and at the end of the day being ripped off in a western country is hardly as bad as being ripped off in some dump of a country, so personally I find it easier to buy a recast model than buy shoes, as shocking as it sounds.

Unfortunate really, but I am well aware it is wrong to purchase such an item. So just like the rest of the world, if GW doesnt like me buying recast models (and well any model not GW really) they can also "suck up and live with it", because they have enough of my money as it is.

 Swastakowey wrote:
So just like the rest of the world, if GW doesnt like me buying recast models (and well any model not GW really) they can also "suck up and live with it", because they have enough of my money as it is.

I'm glad to know that you're so ridiculously entitled that you think you should be allowed to steal something if it costs more than you want to pay for it. Ever think that maybe the right thing to do is just say " you GW", stop playing GW games, and spend your money on something else without stealing stuff?


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 Formosa wrote:
also i am not stealing anything, its the recasters that are the ones stealing

So let me guess, you think that knowingly buying stolen property is fine and you won't deserve your jail time if you get caught?

i am buying from them and while it may be morally wrong, so is treating your customers and fanbase like total crap.

Lol, no. GW does a lot of things that are stupid and bad for their business, but hardly anything they've done could in any way be considered a moral issue (the only possible exception being their abusive legal department). Selling toys for more than you want to pay for them or publishing rules that you don't like doesn't even come close.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
So just like the rest of the world, if GW doesnt like me buying recast models (and well any model not GW really) they can also "suck up and live with it", because they have enough of my money as it is.

I'm glad to know that you're so ridiculously entitled that you think you should be allowed to steal something if it costs more than you want to pay for it. Ever think that maybe the right thing to do is just say " you GW", stop playing GW games, and spend your money on something else without stealing stuff?

No sorry, not really. I dont think Im allowed, (because im not) but i have decided that I will do so every so often. I will buy something someone may or may not have stolen and I am ok with that. As wrong as it may be.

I just hope its not one of those crimes leads on to bigger things, I cant afford to buy smuggled Nukes off the black market

 Swastakowey wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
But like everything else, everyone has their reasons.

Yep, at the end of the day I agree. But IMO the reasons still don't justify it. I'm not going to go around calling it theft or stealing, that's not what it is (legally). If you're disgruntled, it's massively self entitled to think going for recasts is ok. Copyright is there for a reason, and IMO buying a recast of a model that GW are still trying to sell is exactly the reason copyright laws exist. If you're unhappy with GW, stop buying their models, don't start buying from from recasters. Buy Mantic or Privateer or Perry.

If those companies don't make what you want, then I'm sorry but my opinion is "suck it up and live with it".

Buying from recasters does nothing but harm to the hobby regardless of the self entitled justification someone might have. You're giving money to someone who is not contributing to the hobby by creating their own ideas to expand the hobby, you're giving money to someone who is inhibiting the hobby by taking ideas from people who are actually expanding the hobby.

Regardless of whether you like GW, THEY are the ones creating the content. THEY are the ones putting in the time to create a model that YOU want. If you aren't willing to pay their price, too bad.

I do, all my models are 3rd party except 1 vehicle. Admittedly I will by more vehicles but sorry if you feel im ruining your hobby, frankly if GW dies im happy to keep using what they have left and continue supporting other companies like I do now. Im not justifying anything either, I know its wrong, but its wrong every time I drink coke, or throw out my garbage weekly, or throw out food and the list goes on. We live in a western countries and in western countries we do a lot of wrong every day. I think buying recasts is hardly as bad as many things we do weekly. Where do most of our shoes come from? By in large some kid in a sweat shop probably made them. Its all about where you draw the line really but in my opinion if you are gonna worry about something, luxuries shouldn't be one of them.

Its wrong, but I am ok with that, just like i am ok with buying my shoes, fire works, clothes and who knows what else. Its just another wrong thing to add to the list and at the end of the day being ripped off in a western country is hardly as bad as being ripped off in some dump of a country, so personally I find it easier to buy a recast model than buy shoes, as shocking as it sounds.

Unfortunate really, but I am well aware it is wrong to purchase such an item. So just like the rest of the world, if GW doesnt like me buying recast models (and well any model not GW really) they can also "suck up and live with it", because they have enough of my money as it is.

It's nice to know you're comfortable with how self entitled you are

 Peregrine wrote:

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 Swastakowey wrote:
So just like the rest of the world, if GW doesnt like me buying recast models (and well any model not GW really) they can also "suck up and live with it", because they have enough of my money as it is.

I'm glad to know that you're so ridiculously entitled that you think you should be allowed to steal something if it costs more than you want to pay for it. Ever think that maybe the right thing to do is just say " you GW", stop playing GW games, and spend your money on something else without stealing stuff?


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 Formosa wrote:
also i am not stealing anything, its the recasters that are the ones stealing

So let me guess, you think that knowingly buying stolen property is fine and you won't deserve your jail time if you get caught?

i am buying from them and while it may be morally wrong, so is treating your customers and fanbase like total crap.

Lol, no. GW does a lot of things that are stupid and bad for their business, but hardly anything they've done could in any way be considered a moral issue (the only possible exception being their abusive legal department). Selling toys for more than you want to pay for them or publishing rules that you don't like doesn't even come close.

Put the puppy down, and step away from the nun!

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
But like everything else, everyone has their reasons.

Yep, at the end of the day I agree. But IMO the reasons still don't justify it. I'm not going to go around calling it theft or stealing, that's not what it is (legally). If you're disgruntled, it's massively self entitled to think going for recasts is ok. Copyright is there for a reason, and IMO buying a recast of a model that GW are still trying to sell is exactly the reason copyright laws exist. If you're unhappy with GW, stop buying their models, don't start buying from from recasters. Buy Mantic or Privateer or Perry.

If those companies don't make what you want, then I'm sorry but my opinion is "suck it up and live with it".

Buying from recasters does nothing but harm to the hobby regardless of the self entitled justification someone might have. You're giving money to someone who is not contributing to the hobby by creating their own ideas to expand the hobby, you're giving money to someone who is inhibiting the hobby by taking ideas from people who are actually expanding the hobby.

Regardless of whether you like GW, THEY are the ones creating the content. THEY are the ones putting in the time to create a model that YOU want. If you aren't willing to pay their price, too bad.

I do, all my models are 3rd party except 1 vehicle. Admittedly I will by more vehicles but sorry if you feel im ruining your hobby, frankly if GW dies im happy to keep using what they have left and continue supporting other companies like I do now. Im not justifying anything either, I know its wrong, but its wrong every time I drink coke, or throw out my garbage weekly, or throw out food and the list goes on. We live in a western countries and in western countries we do a lot of wrong every day. I think buying recasts is hardly as bad as many things we do weekly. Where do most of our shoes come from? By in large some kid in a sweat shop probably made them. Its all about where you draw the line really but in my opinion if you are gonna worry about something, luxuries shouldn't be one of them.

Its wrong, but I am ok with that, just like i am ok with buying my shoes, fire works, clothes and who knows what else. Its just another wrong thing to add to the list and at the end of the day being ripped off in a western country is hardly as bad as being ripped off in some dump of a country, so personally I find it easier to buy a recast model than buy shoes, as shocking as it sounds.

Unfortunate really, but I am well aware it is wrong to purchase such an item. So just like the rest of the world, if GW doesnt like me buying recast models (and well any model not GW really) they can also "suck up and live with it", because they have enough of my money as it is.

It's nice to know you're comfortable with how self entitled you are

I guess thats an end to that then.