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The convicts with masks/helmets looks awesome but I'm probably gonna lay low on this ks, Haven't really gotten into ordinary dreadball yet so.
   
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Myrtle Creek, OR

Looking forward to more stuff but will wait until retail.
Not looking forward to stuff put out too rapidly.

The next DB expansions need to have a nice long playtest period. Don't want 15th order effects jacking up the game.

The models need the artists and manufacturing types to take their time; design the things smartly so there are minimum mold lines; take proper production time so quality control is maintained; that sort of thing.


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Michigan

Hello,
I guess I see the convicts as really fun penal legion members, that said I am a person who loves dwarves, so yeah, I will likely go because of them.

Regards,
Ghiest

No, spraying three colors on your minis does not count as painted! 5k+
 
   
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Will all previous Mantic kickstarters be completely fullfilled when the new one starts?

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UK

^ No. Deadzone wave 2 in June and Mars Attacks (whole thing) in August are currently left to ship.

I guess a November or possibly December ship date will happen for this one.

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Are you aware of any other company, that starts a kickstarter when two previous ones are not yet fullfilled?

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Kroothawk's Malifaux Blog http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/455759.page
If you want to understand the concept of the "Greater Good", read this article, and you never again call Tau commies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism 
   
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I wouldn't say Deadzone is 'not yet fulfilled'. The boxed game was sent before Christmas (to most), and what we're waiting on now is what was funded via stretch goals. Except for the Enforcers, which were delayed due to a material change.

I don't equate that to projects that have yet to ship anything, to anyone.

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UK

CMoN comes off way, way worse in comparison, purely looking at fulfilment.

Mantic have never missed a stated shipping date on any KS so far.

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 Kroothawk wrote:
Are you aware of any other company, that starts a kickstarter when two previous ones are not yet fullfilled?


Are you doubting their capability of finishing those kickstarters? They seem to have a schedule and capable of keeping it.

Triple-projects seems rareish, but rolling multiple kickstarters isn't unheard of.
InXile entertainment, Double Fine Adventures & Harebrained Schemes have each 2 concurring projects that haven't finished yet.. 5 of them even got Million+ dollars in pledges.

   
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West Midlands (UK)

 Kroothawk wrote:
Are you aware of any other company, that starts a kickstarter when two previous ones are not yet fullfilled?


Sure.

More common in Board Games than in Miniature Games, as they tend to be more smaller Kickstarters, than fewer larger ones.

Games Salute is a typical serial-kickstarter-company. They even have two separate Kickstarters running at the same time currently (and have done so before).

https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/gamesalute/created



That said, I never received the Zzor Resin master from the Dreadball Zzor Team Naming Comp in September 2012. Guess there is technically still one miniature unfullfilled from the first DreadBall Kickstarter

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 Kroothawk wrote:
Are you aware of any other company, that starts a kickstarter when two previous ones are not yet fullfilled?


Mierce Miniatures is about to do it.
   
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 scarletsquig wrote:
CMoN comes off way, way worse in comparison, purely looking at fulfilment.

Mantic have never missed a stated shipping date on any KS so far.


They keep saying that like it is a good thing!

OK, while it is a good thing, Mantic slowing down and hitting quality goals would be more important than "OTD" for most people.
   
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 Alpharius wrote:
 scarletsquig wrote:
CMoN comes off way, way worse in comparison, purely looking at fulfilment.

Mantic have never missed a stated shipping date on any KS so far.


They keep saying that like it is a good thing!

OK, while it is a good thing, Mantic slowing down and hitting quality goals would be more important than "OTD" for most people.


I do wish more companies would find the middle ground between Mantic's "On time but who knows what's in the box" approach and the "We're fine sitting on your money for an extra year+ past our estimate and maybe, MAYBE we'll tell you what we're doing with your money" model that too many gaming KSes to count employ. I wish more KS projects were like Kingdom Death I guess is what I'm saying (assuming it doesn't derail at the last mile). However, I'm sure many of the companies in that latter category wish the same thing!

Back on topic with DBX, I'm not sure this is the best timing for me. I'm interested in the project and will probably end up backing it, but due to other things coming out in the gaming world and my KS resources being quite low as a result I doubt I'll put as much into it as I may want to unless it's a long campaign and Imperial Aces takes another 2 months to hit the shelves (both of which are possibilities).
   
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 ulgurstasta wrote:
 Kroothawk wrote:
Are you aware of any other company, that starts a kickstarter when two previous ones are not yet fullfilled?

Mierce Miniatures is about to do it.

Ah yes, the Maelstrom fraud guy. Guess after the bancruptcy, it is difficult for him to get money any other way than through multiple kickstarters.

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If you want to understand the concept of the "Greater Good", read this article, and you never again call Tau commies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism 
   
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 Kroothawk wrote:
Are you aware of any other company, that starts a kickstarter when two previous ones are not yet fullfilled?


Um, Soda Pop Miniatures/Ninja Division...Almost 2 years late with Relic Knights, 8-12 months late with Robotech RPG Tactics (when it ships), and they just finished a Mega-Man Boardgame, having never delivered on anything...
   
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 Salacious Greed wrote:
 Kroothawk wrote:
Are you aware of any other company, that starts a kickstarter when two previous ones are not yet fullfilled?


Um, Soda Pop Miniatures/Ninja Division...Almost 2 years late with Relic Knights, 8-12 months late with Robotech RPG Tactics (when it ships), and they just finished a Mega-Man Boardgame, having never delivered on anything...


Two Years? Soda Pop Miniatures promised to deliver in February 2012, for a Kickstarter that only ran in August/September 2012. That is amazing.

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Getting a bit off topic but Relic Knights is 8 months late from it's June 2013 delivery date but will most likely be a year late and other than Tentacle Bento which was cancelled SPM and Ninja Division have never run a KS they have been the creative and design arm and are responsible for some of the delays but others are responsible for the actual KS and for keeping them on time.

CMoN on the other hand still have several on the go.

I do agree that Mantic need to slow these KS down a bit they should finish Deadzone completey before doing DBX that would just leave Mars Attacks outstanding I don't see the issue with having one outstanding as they have to move forward while another project is at the point they themesleves can't do much else other than wait for production to finish. At this stage DBX doesn't need a KS just release a box set of rules, pitch etc. then a team or 2 every few months but this is how Mantic have decide to go so either back it or wait for retail there will be very little in the KS that's not available retail anyway but there were some good discounts to be had first time around particularly with the BOGOFs. I'll be in it for the base game and a few teams but nothing like I spent before.

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Illinois

Oh man I really kind of wanted to follow one of these kickstarter threads from the beginning but we're already doing the same mantic/kickstarter debate that shows up in every mantic thread. My kingdom for actual news and rumors and less crap =\

 
   
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 GrimDork wrote:
Oh man I really kind of wanted to follow one of these kickstarter threads from the beginning but we're already doing the same mantic/kickstarter debate that shows up in every mantic thread. My kingdom for actual news and rumors and less crap =\

First 10 pages of any Mantic KS thread follows the same pattern, I don't think that is ever likely to change.

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Illinois

I know =\ I guess I'll soldier through so I see the update for when the ks actually launches . Oh well.

 
   
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UK

I'll be keeping the title and OP fully updated, so you'll be able to see anything new at a glance.
   
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 scarletsquig wrote:
 GrimDork wrote:
Oh man I really kind of wanted to follow one of these kickstarter threads from the beginning but we're already doing the same mantic/kickstarter debate that shows up in every mantic thread. My kingdom for actual news and rumors and less crap =\

First 10 pages of any Mantic KS thread follows the same pattern, I don't think that is ever likely to change.


It will if Mantic does!
   
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This is where an "ignore user in thread" option would be really handy. Some posters are fine until they, for reasons only their twisted minds can explain, go into a thread clearly marked to be about a company they dislike solely to post that they dislike said company. You see it all over Dakka with just about every company in existence, so that would be an awesome feature to add in for people who are familiar with these viewpoints and fairly well sick of them while not denying the naysayers their voice.

Has there been any rumblings about when this one would be fulfilled? If it's before the September/October timeframe that would make me a little bit leery given everything else going on with Mantic.
   
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Illinois

Yeah I would much like such a button

 
   
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 GrimDork wrote:
Yeah I would much like such a button
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Illinois

And is this the aforementioned button that ignores users in a particular thread and not everywhere as was being discussed? Or were you just seizing on an opportunity to be.. ah.. cute?

 
   
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Are there going to be some of those convict dwarf miniatures just for the other game?


Game looks pretty interesting, not over the top enough yet, but I'm sure if we give it time......



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 scarletsquig wrote:
 GrimDork wrote:
Oh man I really kind of wanted to follow one of these kickstarter threads from the beginning but we're already doing the same mantic/kickstarter debate that shows up in every mantic thread. My kingdom for actual news and rumors and less crap =\

First 10 pages of any Mantic KS thread follows the same pattern, I don't think that is ever likely to change.


Then the constant complaints about faulty/missing products page after page after page of unrelenting complaints (by the same users) which are apparently news and rumours worthy. I voice my grievances then move on (yes I have done this for mantic), I've also starting using the ignore button.

I also think Mantic should slow down on these KS of theirs, get one KS completely finished then move on. Though sone people might argue if all there doing is waiting for tools and castings etc to be done then why not move on. I'm also of a mind that with Dreadball they released to many teams to fast, they should of released one season a year or a team every 3 months. At the end of this there will be what, 24 teams? That's far to many to have IMO, I also worry that they'll burn out of Dreadball in a year or so. I've said once before in one of the Mantics threads I won't be buying there Restic anymore (there larger stuff is fine but not infrantry sized), I'll back this for the exlusive Blaine figure that it's likely to come with (I did this for MA) and also a rubber Dreadball pitch if it is cheaper then getting a custom one made.

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 Krinsath wrote:
This is where an "ignore user in thread" option would be really handy.

Maybe an "Ignore any risks" button for every kickstarter thread would do
But then again, even more people would have been surprised that e.g. the Defiance Games kickstarter never delivers.
And if you read the Mantic threads you will find that a lot of people have problems with how Mantic handles the fulfillment of their numerous kickstarters. Difficult to ignore them all.

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The Dusk-Wraiths of Szith Morcane (my Dark Eldar blog): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/364786.page
Kroothawk's Malifaux Blog http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/455759.page
If you want to understand the concept of the "Greater Good", read this article, and you never again call Tau commies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism 
   
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 Kroothawk wrote:
 Krinsath wrote:
This is where an "ignore user in thread" option would be really handy.

Maybe an "Ignore any risks" button for every kickstarter thread would do
But then again, even more people would have been surprised that e.g. the Defiance Games kickstarter never delivers.
And if you read the Mantic threads you will find that a lot of people have problems with how Mantic handles the fulfillment of their numerous kickstarters. Difficult to ignore them all.


I do read Mantic threads; that's why I'm sick of the same people coming along with the same tired horses to beat and clogging up threads. I can throw out a list of four or five names just about guaranteed to be complaining every three pages of a Mantic thread. However, I'd not advocate that people who want to publicize these issues/gripes to never get their say since just because *I'm* tired of it doesn't mean their statements are worthless to someone brand-new. I also find that the "nuclear option" of the current ignore button to be ill-targeted. You, for example, provide some of the better GW rumor scouting as well as other companies. However, I also know you will provide nothing of value to me in a Mantic discussion; none of your points will be news and you don't like the company enough to be on the lookout for rumors. Similar situations exist with most of the people on the list I mentioned.

There are plenty of people who will spew bile and hated in any GW thread but then may be interesting posters about other products. Some people show up in a Raging Heroes thread to be "shamefully negative" but then have the inside track on information elsewhere. Hence where that feature would be handy; people who know can ignore without removing the person from their Dakka existence just because they disagree on a given topic. It wouldn't be perfect as every new thread I'd have to ignore the same people when they inevitably show up, but it'd cut down on the same people bickering back and forth over the same things. Having to hit that button per thread would preferable to saying "This person contributes nothing to my Dakka experience" like the current does.

This is all horribly off-topic though. I agree with overtyrant that 24 teams in 2 years is a lot. I grow concerned that distinguishing the teams on the regular pitch will be very difficult. One area Mantic has done well in is their rulesets and while it will be interesting to see if they can make that many distinct teams, I don't want it to make the game so convoluted that it stops being reasonably easy to learn.
   
 
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