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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

Heck, I went and checked out the rules for Kings of War finally, and it floored me how easy it would be to play.

Indeed.. that is the BIGGEST thing that new players run into.. how simple it is, and yet how complex and fun while playing it.

-P

I try not to stick hands to my codpiece. Folks look at me strangely when I do.

>.< Fair point!

That's an interesting rumor about not fiddling around with figures.

Makes it a bit more board gamer friendly I think.

So, Mars Attacks/ Loka plastic, then?

Totally happy if that's the case, my Loka pieces are lovely* and single-piece coloured is so much better, you can just unbox and play, no mucking about with tiny grey bags of tiny grey bits first... definitely the way to go for board games in future.

*There were a few warped bits, but you can just throw them into hot water and they un-warp into their original position by themselves, the plastic has a lot more memory to it than restic.

Vaguely intrigued. I know I don't have to order 40lbs lol, probably never will again, but even the sweet spot pledge is daunting after the slow winter. Looking forward to watching this unfold though for sure.

Wait... Did I read this right? Is Dreadball going the way of the 'board game' and shipping with pre-assembled models?

I have noticed a lot of KS (and general products too) have customerbase which feels "anything played on a board needs to come pre-assembled'

As a modeler and wargamer, it always 'grinds my gears' but of course I understand the position.

I am not opposed to it, especially if it addresses some of the mold line/sprue damage issues but that has got to impact costs per model...

Some new mini pics:

The Asterian looks nice. The convict doesn't. The nose is too short, and it throws off the proportions of the face.

I care not what materials the minis are made of, just as long as every backer of Dreadball XTREME recieves a bag of Doritos and a soft drink of their choice in 80s packaging.

 scarletsquig wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
OOOOH, Please let that board be on mousepad. That was the best thing that Ultimate did.

Confirmed. A rubber mat for regular dreadball will also be a stretch goal. Agree that the material is perfect.

I think a shorter Kickstarter will help keep momentum going a bit better... nobody likes it when the campaign is dragging or stalling and they just want to get on with it and finalize their pledge rather than wait around for weeks.

Mars Attacks wasn't too tedious for me, but only because I went on holiday for a week right during the slowest part of the KS.

Also, "sight unseen" theories.. had bugger all to do with Mars Attacks since renders were available for pretty much everything during that campaign, immediately.

I would not be surprised to see a full 8 teams already sculpted/ painted for DBX at this point, with very little being left at concept art.

There is a huge difference between renders and final sculpts. People were worried that the final sculpts in Deadzone would end up poor because mantic were still yet to show any production models. Other people felt that mantic were personally holding back the sculpts until the end of mars attacks because they were poor.

I didn't agree with it personally and didn't back mars attacks anyway but many people expressed those views here and elsewhere. I am not saying they were the biggest factor but they were certainly a factor with people hear saying they had pulled their pledges for exactly those reasons.


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nkelsch wrote:
Wait... Did I read this right? Is Dreadball going the way of the 'board game' and shipping with pre-assembled models?

I have noticed a lot of KS (and general products too) have customerbase which feels "anything played on a board needs to come pre-assembled'

As a modeler and wargamer, it always 'grinds my gears' but of course I understand the position.

I am not opposed to it, especially if it addresses some of the mold line/sprue damage issues but that has got to impact costs per model...

Its not a bad tactic partially when you are selling something to be playable right out of the box.

 scarletsquig wrote:

Confirmed. A rubber mat for regular dreadball will also be a stretch goal. Agree that the material is perfect.

Seeing as a dreadball mat/board is the only thing I don't have, this is great news for me.

On the one-piece minis thing - this seems a good idea, especially as its a way to get more people into the game. If they;re still doing extra teams and team boosters as multi-part model kits, it totally sits fine with me

As a prospective first time buyer, the less I need to build, the sooner it would actually see play.

Coming from someone in a nongamer marriage, finished single pieces are less of an obstacle to convince the wife to play. She usually wants nothing to do with multi piece figures (read: skirmish/ wargames), but is usually cool about board games with figures.

Makes me wonder if further teams would be one piece as well, or the usual hobbyist put them together yourself type.
Doubly so for multihex or larger figures.

One of the big clinchers for me is if I'm going to get to field teams of whatever random schlubs want to join in, and not just in MVP roles. I truly hope we see some real motley teams of players.

Maybe the shark dudes from the rebs will show up with a few token players, and not just as porters of ammunition?

Apparently the sphyr end up in pleasureatoriums a lot, maybe they'll share outfits with that asterian. I'd still paint everything so single piece colored only saves me assembly but I guess it wouldn't hurt m feelings either.

 GrimDork wrote:
Apparently the sphyr end up in pleasureatoriums a lot, maybe they'll share outfits with that asterian. I'd still paint everything so single piece colored only saves me assembly but I guess it wouldn't hurt m feelings either.

Yeah, but don't you have like a million deadzone pieces to deal with still?

One piece or not, I'd probably be more inclined to paint stuff for a boardgame (as opposed to a skirmish style game) when the pieces stand out and are more unique. That's why I'm really hoping to see hodge podge teams of various races, reb style. After the 3rd or 4th samey type figure I start getting those ADHD compulsions and want to move on to paint something else.

^Kind of why I'm having trouble doing entire armies of anything lately. Heck, I got the 46 model corporation army set and I had to switch schemes halfway through. Partially why deadzone appeals so much with the smaller teams.

And i do have a million deadzone pieces to deal with. They may sit me down and talk me out of this one altogether, we'll just have to see

Hm, this really feels to much too fast too soon, and I'm not really inclined to spend more on Dreadball before they finish shipping me the Dreadball stuff they already owe me from the last campaign.

I'm kinda agreeing. I may go in for just the recon / Jack level.

I worked out last night that I still have 40 Dreadball season 3 models to assemble.

40.

At least now, I also know that anything 'Team Booster' related is pretty redundant, unless it's for a team you happen to really, really like.

Ronnie's doing a pre KS DBX facebook chat at 19:30 GMT tonight

Want to find out all about DreadBall Xtreme eighteen hours before the campaign goes live on Kickstarter? Ronnie will be here on Facebook to answer all your questions and spill the beans at 7:30pm GMT - that's in just over two and a half hours.

Ronnie's forays into Facebook never fail to draw a huge crowd and entertain the masses - make sure you don't miss out!

I don't do the facebook thing (just read the odd companies public pages) so can someone ask about the scatter terrain (Hard plastic like DZ etc.) and original pitch on rubber mat if they are on thanks - oh and Sorak team any chance?

Ah, finally got a reply:

Hi Steve,

We are difficulties with our confirmation email system at the moment. We hope to have it fixed tomorrow morning and you'll be able to check then

Thanks,

Chris!

Someone ask if we'll see more shark men or any other races that were introduced in Deadzone.

Heck, just find out if we'll be getting any new weird races in general.

Or any Deadzone crossover compatibility.

Here's a pretty important one from someone on Facebook, that might be worth chiming in for the guys who are still having major ongoing issues.

Hi Ronnie. Apologies if this sounds like a moan. It isn't, it's a genuine question. What would you say to all the potential backers who have concerns about backing yet another Kickstarter, when there are people who still haven't had their issues from 3 Kickstarters ago resolved? Myself and many others feel that this really is the area where Mantic are letting themselves down and could really improve

Hi *****INTERNETPERSON*****, I take that on board and I agree it is the one area where I think we are still behind. We have increased the warehouse team from 3 this time last year to 6 now, and gone from none to 2 in customer service so we are trying to get on top of this. There is almost no one who has not had most of their kickstarter and one of the things that we didn't appreciate is how complex picking these was. DeadZone in particualr was a backward step from Dreallball. However, we are almost totally upto date on this - and will have 6 month before this is shipping. Please let me know what has gone wrong (post it here if you want ) and I will look into it directly tomorrow and message you back. I am really sorry we have not been good enough. I know you are in the minority 0- but that doesn't help you! thansk also for being patient with us.

I guess I'm 'in the minority' too.

Well, the simple option would be to go reply to the thread. This is the perfect opportunity, I think.

Here's some more tidbits.

the crowd have a much bigger effect on this game, they are up to their own dirty tricks, there was a pitch invasion in at one point - not sure if it still is - but it is a kickstarter - so i am sure if everyone shouts loud enough...

"Any chance the minis will be hard plastic? "

we are looking at using the same material as we used fro Loka and Mars Attacks - both times the detail is really sharp and we will have them already assembled for you. We will have a video showing off the MArs attacks martians so you can see the detail. We did not use hard plastic or restic because there is little variety in weapons and arms - certainly my Forge Father team just went to together in the set way - so I thought that if that was the case we could - but they still paint up really well. just do that for people so they can play right out of the box

"Will there be Yndij and psychic space jellyfish (Chovar) teams?"

We have 12 teams that would be possible if we can go high enough, there are a few favourites from Deadzone - and a few very exciting new ones too. Not sure there is a Yndig though but the Chovar is in the game as a Free Agent! Yippee!

"Will there be interaction with terrain or are these terrainpieces only obstacles?"

interaction and obsticles is the current plan. The obsticle bit was fairly easy but developing interactive scenery (and traps) took a while - I think we have cracked it through - an exploding crate with 6 strength 4 slam anyone?

"I've noticed a general feeling from the announcement of the Dreadball Extreme kickstarter as a bit 'too much too soon.' - And, to be honest, I'm inclined to agree. Between backing Deadzone and the first Dreadball, I myself still have another 40(!) Dreadball season 3 minis to assemble, 20 odd Rebs left still to work on. With the Deadzone second survey currently out now, is there not a concern that the customers (and their wallets!) may be suffering from kickstarter fatigue. I know that I, for one, am struggling to even rationalise going for whatever the 'Jack' equivalent is in Extreme, whereas before I went for both the Strike Team and Striker pledge levels."

we recognize that and know it is tough because we don't want to be too ambitious and try and ask people to overspend. We have also set the payemnt date on survey 2 out in May to give everyone a bit more time to shffle their finances. on the other hand I turn down about 20 ideas for everyone we do! We are going to try and aim for about 3 a year - some big and some smaller and expect that people will be picky about which ones they go in - or maybe they go in deeper on some than others. This is one of the big ones for this year (if not the biggest) and it will be November before you get it - so you'll be desperate for new models by then - perhaps it could be your own Christmas present to yourself?"

I'm not brave enough to address the Mantic, almost? point. - Anyone else?

The Loka material is really good, nice single-piece coloured plastic, no messing around, can put them on the board and start playing right away.

And because they're single-piece there's only one mould line to deal with rather than loads of them across loads of tiny parts.

I hope Mantic switches to the material 100% for board game stuff like this and simply makes sure that there's loads of different sculpts. The 10 different martian and human sculpts in mars attacks was certainly enough variety for me.

I think they might have just drawn me back in to at least a $100 pledge. I'm a sucker for a game that I don't feel like I *have* to paint, and it is just really nice to know that I won't be dealing with restic on this one.

Coloured plastic makes sense. It would make me more likely to pledge at least.

DBX is sounding great so far, if they nail scenery, traps and crowd involvement it could be a blast.

I'm a huge fan of multi-part posable plastic, but I'd probably prefer single piece loka material to multi-part non-posable restic since the multi-part doesn't help, just makes more work making the joins smooth. I need to finish my Eisenkern team so I have the best of both worlds. Dreadball rules with beautiful multi part plastics ; p

 Compel wrote:
Here's a pretty important one from someone on Facebook, that might be worth chiming in for the guys who are still having major ongoing issues.

Hi Ronnie. Apologies if this sounds like a moan. It isn't, it's a genuine question. What would you say to all the potential backers who have concerns about backing yet another Kickstarter, when there are people who still haven't had their issues from 3 Kickstarters ago resolved? Myself and many others feel that this really is the area where Mantic are letting themselves down and could really improve

Hi *****INTERNETPERSON*****, I take that on board and I agree it is the one area where I think we are still behind. We have increased the warehouse team from 3 this time last year to 6 now, and gone from none to 2 in customer service so we are trying to get on top of this. There is almost no one who has not had most of their kickstarter and one of the things that we didn't appreciate is how complex picking these was. DeadZone in particualr was a backward step from Dreallball. However, we are almost totally upto date on this - and will have 6 month before this is shipping. Please let me know what has gone wrong (post it here if you want ) and I will look into it directly tomorrow and message you back. I am really sorry we have not been good enough. I know you are in the minority 0- but that doesn't help you! thansk also for being patient with us.

That was me!

Well played to Ronnie for fronting up and answering the question, would have been easy for him to duck the questions he didn't want to answer

"Jetari Brawler and Thrower drones were designed for use in training drills, but Sponsors aren't above reprogramming them for use as cheap players."

Please sir, can we have some more! May or may not be camping the KS new release page again.

Honestly, these models get me incredibly excited... and they're not even the ones I'm most looking forward to.