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Yeah the lack of minis to look at has been one of many problems with this campaign, but like Lord_Blackfang I'm sticking with it for the game.

I hope they learn the lessons here and for Warpath cut out the front loading, and spend their year off (DKH isn't going to need any serious amount of new sculpts) getting at least 2/3 of what they want to do for Warpath to the point where a mini, even just greens, can be photographed and thrown up.

I predicted $600-650k, looks like I'm over for the first time.

Edit: Oops, hit quote instead of edit on the OP.

NTRabbit wrote:
Yeah the lack of minis to look at has been one of many problems with this campaign, but like Lord_Blackfang I'm sticking with it for the game.

I hope they learn the lessons here and for Warpath cut out the front loading, and spend their year off (DKH isn't going to need any serious amount of new sculpts) getting at least 2/3 of what they want to do for Warpath to the point where a mini, even just greens, can be photographed and thrown up.

I predicted $600-650k, looks like I'm over for the first time.

I think for the warpath ks they at least 4 plastic sprues rendered and ready for tooling. One for each of the major forces. That along with the enforcers and zombies should give them a good base to start from.

They definitely need renders and not just concept art to get people on board. The warpath ks could make or break mantic as a major threat to the bigger names.

edit.

Bit of a slow final day

I think ending slap bang in the middle of the month does not help either. I am aware that not everyone is paid at the start/end of the month but most are. I have pulled my minor pledge for the DZ terrain infills as I am sure I can make my own in good time. The lack of Deadzone crossover has hamstrung it a bit too.

I think that Squig has nailed it on the head most of all with the lack of final sculpts too, there are just too many "what ifs" to compete for most people's hobby dollar/pound. Then again there are still a hell of a lot of people waiting on DZ second survey images before deciding what to spend. I am a big fan of Mantic, but they are very good at making bad decisions.

 scarletsquig wrote:
A bigger problem than all of that is the lack of sculpted models on show.

Even Dreadball had 4 fully painted teams to show off, this time there's just two and a lot of concept art.

I really don't get it, I was looking at the DBX Brokkr sculpts (sculpted by Steve Saunders, same guy who did the DZ Rebs) in a cabinet nearly 4 months ago and they were lovely. Nowhere to be seen on the Kickstarter, though.

I suspect (as do others) it is because we won't get those Brokkr sculpts for whatever reason. The concept art for all the teams has been lackluster in my opinion as well. They may have done so so that folks don't expect too much from the actual sculpts, I don't know. I do know when Mantic has not even shown digital models let alone actual models, what they end up sending tends to be disappointing.

Perhaps they should have held off on this until they had more to show?

Interesting missed this earlier the Ada-Lorena team is only 6 minis or 12 maxed for rules balance reasons apparrently (or money saving maybe?)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Another problem Mantic is fighting is all their experienced backers KNOW there are multiple pledge manager opportunities coming

(bad enough if they were a company known for transferring concepts to minis consistently well, catastrophic where there are real problems)

so no need to back big now, wait till you've seen at least some of the art stuff in the flesh

Exactly!

In this post-KoW/Dreadball/Deadzone world, the 'trust' just isn't there as strongly as it might have been with Mantic.

Hopefully they'll take this to heart and seriously work to correct many of their repeated missteps.

They're so close... they're almost there...

Doesn't really feel like a mantic ks last day. Guess the surge could be really late on this one.

mantic are working on an update now, I wonder if there'll be any last minute surprises?

It's really interesting that CMON seem to have tried to tackle this problem during the Arcadia Quest KS

no $1 'I just want to help' pledge level so you have to go in at the full amount or KS doesn't even pass your details on to them

a paypal option for late pledges opened right at the end with a very limited number of slots

(was to be 200, but seems to have been cut back to 100 as pledges during the KS were higher than expected and they clearly have a 'ideal' number of backers they're trying to pick up based on the amount of production time they have booked at the factory)

Nice update, they've slipped in the season 6 rulebook at $570k and prones for the mechanites and plague at $580k.

That'll be 117 minis in Rampage after those are unlocked.

The thing is, Arcadia Quest has 4884 backers, backing slightly over 150 USD average.

Production run of 5000?

Either way, it's easy to do a final surge from that level. Offer a 5 USD add-on, if 2400 out of 4800 backers add it, you'll have made 12.000 USD right there.

DreadBall Xtreme only has 2400 backers, already backing over 250 USD average.

Frenzy-style pledges are nice, but you are catering to a small customer base mostly immune to the sticker shock of a 300 USD pledge.

CMON is going more the many-backers for less money route (which presumably Mantic is planning to try with their "mini-kickstarters", especially if their "board-game-plastic-miniatures" are well-received).

In a way, it's a pity, as I think DreadBall would've been thematically far better suited for a "max-pledge-around-100-dollars-wide-appeal" Kickstarter than a Warpath or DZ 2.0 one, which would be more suited to the "small-cutomer-base-with-deep-pockets" approach they are trying to do with the Frenzy-pledge.

Better update starting to get there now I wonder if they will do $5,000 stretch goals up to $600k to add the rest of the prones and alts.

$585k Brokkers and Crystallans
$590k Rebs and Sphyr
$595k Hobgoblins and Koris
$600k Tsudochans and Ada Lorena

although Crystallans and Ada Loren together might make more sense as they are on the same tool.

Thats still leaves 3 MVPS and a Giant after that but I can live without them.

I'm probably going to be number crunching Rampage versus Frenzy right up to the end.

^ There's also the giant spider which I imagine is a lock-in anyway since they'll want the expansion to retail with 4 giants, same as DBX.

I guess if it comes to it, they can re-use the Mars Attacks spider!

^Those are cool, probably the right size too, and in the right material.

 DaveC wrote:
Interesting missed this earlier the Ada-Lorena team is only 6 minis or 12 maxed for rules balance reasons apparrently (or money saving maybe?)

Their reduced numbers are probably the result of needing them to fit on the same sprue as the Crystallans.

Yeah I saw that too. Wasn't sure how to read it. Are they going to be LARGE energy people? Even if they are more elite, if they're the same size it certainly rankles to pay the same price for 25% less plastic mans. It could be argued that the translucent material is the reason, but then why aren't the crystallans the same. I think retail bones minis in the translucent material cost more, but the disparity between the two teams throws it off.

They do look cool though, and they're still only a bit over $2 a model so I may still get some come the survey.

The Ada-Lorena look like DC comics new-style OMACs to me:

Has anyone asked in the comments if the OMACs are going to be larger figures?

I think I'm in the dollar "wait until the survey hits" crowd as well, and just grab a few things that I can dump into a Deadzone.

I know that wasn't the focus of this campaign, but you can't deny that if they had incorporated some sort of official DZ rule/ adaptability scenarios it would have probably helped. It can't be any worse than Judge Dredd in regards to extra random stuff to add, and in the long run it could have been an extra source of revenue as DB teams are getting into after hours hooligan style brawls with members of rival teams.

Never hurts to help scratch more of that Necromunda itch.

^I've probably said this half a dozen times, but I think I'm gonna hit up hasslefree for a bunch of guns and weaponize well over half of the DBX minis for deadzone and general fun.

I think having compatibility rules would have diluted what Deadzone is. I keep seeing a handful of people asking for this stuff, but I think it would have been a short-sighted move to boost this game but would have taken DZ in an odd direction.

Keep Deadzone to military outfits that look like they mean business.

I can see preserving the serious tone of deadzone and keeping it what it is... but I would still like to have some gang/criminal/military skirmish battles between other factions using my DZ rules and terrain.

Earth Dragon wrote:
I think having compatibility rules would have diluted what Deadzone is. I keep seeing a handful of people asking for this stuff, but I think it would have been a short-sighted move to boost this game but would have taken DZ in an odd direction.

Keep Deadzone to military outfits that look like they mean business.

You mean like the Plague and Veer-myn, factions that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag?

Or just forget about your precious Deadzone. Mantic's never been coy about making stuff for GW games in the past; just give us the models we want and trust that we're smart enough to know what to do with them.

Looks like they've removed some of the hidden figs from rampage.



guess they didn't want to advertise what they may not reach

I think it's just more straight forward at this point. Shows what you get, no ?s. If you get more stuff you get more stuff.


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 AlexHolker wrote:

Earth Dragon wrote:
I think having compatibility rules would have diluted what Deadzone is. I keep seeing a handful of people asking for this stuff, but I think it would have been a short-sighted move to boost this game but would have taken DZ in an odd direction.

Keep Deadzone to military outfits that look like they mean business.

You mean like the Plague and Veer-myn, factions that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag?

Or just forget about your precious Deadzone. Mantic's never been coy about making stuff for GW games in the past; just give us the models we want and trust that we're smart enough to know what to do with them.

Have you ever considered you're looking in the wrong place? Most of your comments lend to this not going with your personal pre-conceived notions. Is that really Mantic's fault or blunder? Is a "sports game" really where you should have been looking for Necromunda figures?

Just dropped my Frenzy. TBH I might drop my Rampage too and just pick up the exclusives and the DBO rules.

Good to se it still has the digital short story compilation instead of something like the season 6 rules.

Earth Dragon wrote:
Is that really Mantic's fault or blunder?

Yes.

Is a "sports game" really where you should have been looking for Necromunda figures?

A sports game about the denizens of sci-fi human cities' seedy underbellies, running, throwing things at each other and beating the hell out of one another, with no rules? Sure.

Doing this is a hobby of yours, isn't it, there is no other explanation.

 AlexHolker wrote:

Earth Dragon wrote:
Is that really Mantic's fault or blunder?

Yes.

Is a "sports game" really where you should have been looking for Necromunda figures?

A sports game about the denizens of sci-fi human cities' seedy underbellies, running, throwing things at each other and beating the hell out of one another, with no rules? Sure.

Taken so far out of context it isn't even funny.


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 CptJake wrote:
Good to se it still has the digital short story compilation instead of something like the season 6 rules.

They're in

Earth Dragon, I know you support them but looking at that graph there's no denying they've bungled this a bit- people jump on like moths to a flame with even so-so campaigns in the last two days, and that is not happening here... (or at least, not nearly to the usual extent, it will have some last day boost, of course).