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My wife is interested in playing, I've been teaching her how to play with our Dark Vengence set and she really likes it. She went out and got the Blood Angels codex because she said she liked how they looked. She now has delegated the task of making her a list that can "whoop my ass over and over". I also play Space Marines and am running a Fire Hawks army. I tried my best but I have no clue what else I can do.

1850 Blood Angels

HQ: Chapter Master Gabriel Seth 160pt

HQ: Librarian: TDA, Powers:Shield of Sanguinius, Blood Lance- 125pts
Troops

Death Company: +7 DC, PFist- 225pts

Death Company Dreadnought: Bloodtalons- 125pts

Assault Marines: Powerfist, combat shield- 130pts

Scout Squad: x4 Sniper Rifles, Missile Launcher, camo cloaks- 100pts

Elites:

Sanguinary Priest-TDA, Chalice of Blood, Powersword- 85pts

Sanguinary Priest-Stormbolter, powersword, jump pack- 93pts

Brother Corbulo-105pts

Terminator Assault Squad: 5xTH/SS, Land Raider redeemer- 465pts

Heavy Support

Stormraven Gunship- Multi-melta- 200pts

comes out to 1813, which leaves me a 37 pts to fiddle with. I had envisioned Using Gabriel Seth with Corbulo in the Raven with the Death Company and Death Company Dread to just zip up the middle and create havoc on the frontlines. Same with the Termies in the Redeemer and the Sanguinary Priest in Termy armor. Last Sanguinary Priest stays with the assault squad and tries to contest objectives with their moblity, and honestly the scouts are there to just camp on an objective and just be a nuisance with their sniper rifles and missile launcher, with the libby staying with them in termy armor trying to soak up any damage for them. I'm at a loss really for Blood Angels just cause they are so expensive points wise. I don't want my wife to get stomped on but I also know she wont be playing super competitive ya know? For Reference http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/576505.page heres the link to my list that she would love to beat.


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Oh I should also say shes kind of loving the attack bike model, the one with the side car. I have no idea where I would even put that in the list.

Gonna go down and address everything.

1. Seth. No. Just not really worth it. Get a Librarian or something. You want something really good? Mephiston. Something cheap? Base libby with Shield and Unleash Rage. I believe you can cast a power per turn... so you can take both of those without getting epistolary.

2. Libby... not sure what TDA is... don't have my codex on me so I can't check, but really a Libby doesn't need any upgrades. Unless you want to give it a JP which will let it jump with the ASM.

3. ASM: They are better in razorbacks... they take off points from the Tank, so you can give it las/plas for the same points as a base one.

4. DC aren't worth it because they are big targets and are not going to "zip up the field." Take ASM in a Razorback instead. DC are too much points.

5. a DC dread is not going to "zip up the field" either. Just doesn't happen. If you are going to take them then put it in a pod. i would suggest taking a Fragnought instead. Furioso+Frag Cannon+Pod+Heavy Flamer.

6. Scout Squad... All good accept they shouldn't really have the missile launcher... they draw more fire if they are a target, and they should go to ground everytime they get shot at, so that would make the ML not worth it.

7. Curbulo is ALWAYS best with Terminators. Especially TH/SS termis, cause he can look out sir saves double his toughness, so he is just beast. use his eye to re-roll the one messed up look out sir/FNP. You only need one Sang Priest... DC already have FNP and FC. that will get you points. If you put the ASM in razorbacks then don't take any SP's other then Curbulo.

8. TH/SS Terminators- They don't need a LR if they have Curbulo because they can just walk up the field. That will get you points for other things...

9. The stormraven looks good, but it should have bolters so it can be good at mowing down troops also.

10. Baal Predators are beast at mowing down Marines... take two with flamestorm cannon, if she goes first, scout then normal right into your face and flame 'em.

11. The Attack Bike can be used with Double multi-melta, or just one, I'm not sure, then just go single and run up and pop stuff.

Baal Preds are Fast, so they can move 12" twice. Because they have scout.

i agree with Glorywarrior on almost everything
just a couple of things
- TDA is terminator armour -_-
- stormraven is cool with hurricane bolter, but i was never able to use them -_- so 30 points is a waste IMHO
- why Baal can move 12" twice? they are 6" for scout move and 12" for normal move...

I agree with a lot of what glorywarrior says, but my take on certain points:
3. In 10 man squads jp assault marines are better imo.
4. DC can be reasonably good in pods.
5. DC dread can also work in pods or via a raven IF there are other high priority targets around.
9. Stormravens still work fine without hurricanes in my experience.
11. Its a single mm.

If you really want to use DC in a list with their Dreadnought, stick them in a Stormraven and drop them off later in the game. They're scary, so expect them to eat some shots, but if when/if you get them in combat they'll kick face.

I agree, you don't NEED hurricane bolters, but I just don't see how you don't use the hurricane bolters... I always end up shooting some infantry everytime I use one. I think they are a worth upgrade.

DC are good, in at least 10 man squads, but they NEED transports. Of almost any kind. In a Stormraven, if it dies, then the DC and The dread will most certainly die. sorry.

Baal Preds can move 12" because they are fast. I think in the rulebook it says they make a "normal" move... that means you can move 12".

Alrighty, thanks for these suggestions. This is exactly the type of feedback I wanted to get. So I'm going to be getting rid of the DC, Ditch the JP and get the asm in razorbacks, ditch the ML in favor of 1 more free sniper rifle for the scouts, drop seth for Mephy because he's a beast. Maybe keep 2nd libby for more powers? ditch the LR, stick Corbulo with the Termies and lulz up the field. And Finally add Hurricane Bolter sponsons to the Raven.

How many ASM in razorbacks? Also how many Baal Predators?

OK, took some time to rework everything to something similar that I've had in mind:

HQ: Librarian w/ 2 powers
Reclusiarch


Elites: Dreadnought w/ Frag cannon and heavy flamer
TH/SS Termies x 5
Sanguinary Priest x 3
( 1 priest and the rest in the Stormraven)

Troops: Death Company Marines x9 (inside a standard Land Raider with the Reclusiarch)

Assault Marine Squad x 10 (combat squad them and stick the libby with one of them the priest with the other, stick them both in Razorbacks. This way you can las-plas the 'backs and have a decent shooting.)

Assault Marine Squad x 5 (another squad in a razorback with the last priest.

Heavy Support: Devastators (any loadout, they're cheaper)
Stormraven (mm and lascannons work well
Predator (Baal's are cool and all, but the flamestorms are SOOOO situational. AC's work on everything and TL'd rending shots? Yeah, I'd go with those.)

Unsure of the points now (I didn't do loadouts for the DC or ASM squads) so if you have anything left, deck out the squads as you see fit.

Ummm... Really?

1. 2 Sang Priests in the same squad? Are they even with anything or are they just in the raven? No. waste of big points.

2. LR's are too expensive, take a DP.

3. TH/SS Termis doing nothing? Just walking? Put them with curbulo, then they can walk... but wait, you don't have curbulo. hm.

4. Devestators? with BA? no. take another Baal Pred. or wait, no not another. Baal preds CAN take assault cannons. Do you even have the codex? plus Flamestorms are not at all situational. find troops. flame them. every army has to take troops.

5. The Dreadnought NEEDS a pod. it can't do squat without a pod.



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 Cptskillet wrote:
Alrighty, thanks for these suggestions. This is exactly the type of feedback I wanted to get. So I'm going to be getting rid of the DC, Ditch the JP and get the asm in razorbacks, ditch the ML in favor of 1 more free sniper rifle for the scouts, drop seth for Mephy because he's a beast. Maybe keep 2nd libby for more powers? ditch the LR, stick Corbulo with the Termies and lulz up the field. And Finally add Hurricane Bolter sponsons to the Raven.

How many ASM in razorbacks? Also how many Baal Predators?

2 baal preds are the best. they can work together to flame more then one thing. not just one squad has to feel the wrath.

3 ASM in razorbacks are fine since you have snipers.

I think you should take just one libby and put him with the termis with unleash rage and fear of darkness or lance. then you can have points for the rest.

Looks really good, cptskillet!

Alrighty, updated the list with the suggestions made. what do ya think? I have 60pts to play around with, I put in the 2nd scouts to just have another troop choice. I was thinking maybe I should drop the 2nd scout for a vindicator?

1850 Blood Angels
HQ: Librarian- Powers: Unleash rage, blood lance- 100pts
Troops
Assault Marines: Sarge’s TH/SS, Razorback: Lascannon- 205pts
Assault Marines Sarge’s TH/SS, Razorback: lascannon- 205pts
Assault Marines Sarge’s TH/SS, Razorback: lascannon- 205pts
Scout Squad: x5 Sniper Rifles, camo cloaks-120
Scout Squad: x5 Sniper Rifles, camo cloaks-120
Elites:
Brother Corbulo-105pts
Terminator Assault Squad: 5xTH/SS-225
Fast Attack:
Baal Predator: Firestorm Cannon- 115pts
Baal Predator Firestorm Cannon- 115pts
Attack Bike Squad: 3 bikes, 3x Multimeltas- 150pts
Heavy Support
Stormraven Gunship- twin linked Multi-melta, hurricane bolter sponsons- 230pts

@Glorywarrior: I guess my post was written that poorly, didn't get my point across at all and I'm not wasting the time to try explaining it a second time.

@OP: Nice job on the list. I wouldn't have run a second scout squad or no sanguinary priests (besides Corbulo), meh. Hope it works out for you.

 Frankenberry wrote:
@Glorywarrior: I guess my post was written that poorly, didn't get my point across at all and I'm not wasting the time to try explaining it a second time.

@OP: Nice job on the list. I wouldn't have run a second scout squad or no sanguinary priests (besides Corbulo), meh. Hope it works out for you.

Where would I even put the 2nd priest? I have Corbulo walking with the terminators, I don't know where to put my Libby though, maybe have him chill with the scouts? I was contemplating maybe dropping the 2nd scouts for a vindicator or something else but not quite sure as to what.

I suppose the scouts is a good a place as any for the libby, but he's not going to be doing much from where they'll be.

Honestly, you've got what you need, play it out in a game or two and you'll figure out where you want things.

 Glorywarrior wrote:
Gonna go down and address everything.

1. Seth. No. Just not really worth it. Get a Librarian or something. You want something really good? Mephiston. Something cheap? Base libby with Shield and Unleash Rage. I believe you can cast a power per turn... so you can take both of those without getting epistolary.

I hate you. Seth is propably the coolest named character for BA, and when someone decided to use him you say no? Seriously, S8 rending with initiative 5? I sense death upon SM characters.

3. ASM: They are better in razorbacks... they take off points from the Tank, so you can give it las/plas for the same points as a base one.

Agreed.

4. DC aren't worth it because they are big targets and are not going to "zip up the field." Take ASM in a Razorback instead. DC are too much points.

Still good if you have the means to get them in CC.

5. a DC dread is not going to "zip up the field" either. Just doesn't happen. If you are going to take them then put it in a pod. i would suggest taking a Fragnought instead. Furioso+Frag Cannon+Pod+Heavy Flamer.

This.

6. Scout Squad... All good accept they shouldn't really have the missile launcher... they draw more fire if they are a target, and they should go to ground everytime they get shot at, so that would make the ML not worth it.

And this, a ML with Scouts is a waste IMO.

7. Curbulo is ALWAYS best with Terminators. Especially TH/SS termis, cause he can look out sir saves double his toughness, so he is just beast. use his eye to re-roll the one messed up look out sir/FNP.

Again, approved.

9. The stormraven looks good, but it should have bolters so it can be good at mowing down troops also.

A bunch of boltershots won't make much of a difference I suppose.

10. Baal Predators are beast at mowing down Marines... take two with flamestorm cannon, if she goes first, scout then normal right into your face and flame 'em.

The dakka version for me please. AV13/11/10 vehicle. What could destroy it?
1) Meltaguns/bombs.
2) Anything in side armor.

Both of these options yell out "come close, don't be shy" and the BBQ-Predator is there to grant their wish.

Never take Stormravens without hurricane bolters. Especially with Orks on the horizon. As much as the raven costs, it MUST be able to kill troops.

Exactly what I was thinking. I guess I was a little rash with Seth. Maybe not. I just, IMO, don't think he is good.

I agree that DC are good if you can get them into CC.

The libby should go with the Termis. He probably won't die, so you won't give up slay the warlord, and he can cast unleash rage. re-roll ones with thunder hammers? Yes Please.

Vindi's are going to die. especially one. they just do. people focus on them, and for a side armour 11 vehicle, just not worth it. sorry.

I don't think that sarges need TH/SS, just take meltabombs and that will free up some points for other fun stuff. Like heavy bolters on the Baal Preds.

Ok so I dropped the Sarge's TH/SS, added meltabombs to the asm, added heavy bolters to the baal predators. I showed my wife the 2nd list and she seemed to be really happy with it she said it looks like it has "a lot of threats instead of the original list with the giant shoot me out of the sky stormraven deathstar" She also loves that I got her 3 bikes into it.

Alright! looks like a good list also! Keep in mind that BA just aren't that good competatively. But this is close.

@OP - you lucky bastard

Thanks for the help guys! When we get her stuff bought and assembled I'll put up a battle report up when we're able.

Looking forward to it!

 Cptskillet wrote:
She now has delegated the task of making her a list that can "whoop my ass over and over".

Your wife is great.