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Pretty much most of the traitor primarchs were wronged or got screwed. Horus and Fulgrim look like the only two off the top of my head that really turned for no reason of their own control. Magnus was a good guy trying to warn his father and he got screwed. Angron lost all of his brother and sister warriors when the Emperor zapped him up to space and left them to die. Mortarion sided with Nurgle in order to save his Legion from a disease. Still haven't figured out Apharius and Omegon and even whose side they are on. Kurze did exactly what his father wanted him to do and exactly what his father wanted him to be and yet even before the Heresy the Emperor was sending assassins to kill him, for doing his job. I don't remember what the deal was with Perturabo but I remember reading somewhere he wasn't happy when he realized exactly what the Heresy really was. The Word Bearer guy was underappreciated, but then who ever cared about the most boring of Legions the Word Bearers anyway.

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:
I'd argue with you that the Emperor was somewhat stupid about it though. Hey second mightiest psyker in the entire world. Don't use your powers, the things you've been raised sense youth to do NO NOT AT ALL DON'T DO IT! Oh all the while using it yourself.

Empy was a pretty big dick, but so far BL hasn't covered those parts.

He warned Magnus so severely, yet rebuked Lorgar. Did he forget that Lorgar was raised on a heretical planet?


So far the only time the Empy appears in BL is when he helps Horus on Gorro. And Horus is reduced to a babbling 12 y o in his father's presence.

And in Outcast Dead. Actually played a decent sized role in that book. Not that the book was all that great, but you get the idea the Empy did all this to produce the stalemate at the end.


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 Jimsolo wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
That's the thing, though. While I don't think this is bad writing or bad characterisation, it makes the Emperor an idiot. He's supposedly been manipulating human history (which requires a great deal of predicting how humans will respond to things, also known as psychology) for countless years, but he is so careless and obtuse in how he treats his sons that the Horus Heresy was inevitable.

So what makes you think he DIDN'T foresee the Heresy? Maybe everything went exactly the way he wanted. Maybe everything is STILL going exactly according to plan...

Best I can tell, that was exactly how it goes down according to Outcast Dead. That book really messes with the HH, and is of questionable writing. Best part of it is the two Thunder Warriors.

I 'one of the few who voted Mortarion' have sympathy for him because he would be in the exact position that I would never want to be in....backed into a corner with literally no other option but to suffer inevitably through the plague and die a horrid and painful death...or transform into bloated sacs of filth and disease that all of your brothers hate....Sounds pretty tragic to me...

I think Dorn said it best in the short story - crimson fist.

‘We are made to serve. That is our purpose.’ Dorn’s voice echoed off the raked stone tiers of the amphitheatre. He was shaking as if huge forces were straining inside him. It was the most terrifying thing Sigismund had ever seen. ‘Every primarch, every son of a primarch exists to serve the Imperium. Our existence has no other meaning.’ Dorn took a step forwards, his presence seeming to tower taller than the statues of his brothers. ‘Our choices are not our own, our fate is not ours to choose. Your will is mine, and through me the Emperor’s. I trusted you and you squandered that trust on pride and superstition.’


Everyone exists as tools for the prosperity of man kind. The Emperor included. When they deviate from that purpose then bad things happen.

We are made to serve. That is our purpose.’ Dorn’s voice echoed off the raked stone tiers of the amphitheatre. He was shaking as if huge forces were straining inside him. It was the most terrifying thing Sigismund had ever seen. ‘Every primarch, every son of a primarch exists to serve the Imperium. Our existence has no other meaning.’ Dorn took a step forwards, his presence seeming to tower taller than the statues of his brothers. ‘Our choices are not our own, our fate is not ours to choose. Your will is mine, and through me the Emperor’s. I trusted you and you squandered that trust on pride and superstition.’

He brought us the soul drinkers. The idea of this guy talking about superstition when his successor chapters are some of the most superstitious of them all. I don't know what to think of Dorn, he strikes me as bland more than anything.

The Word Bearer guy was underappreciated

More than that his favorite planet was destroyed to make a point.

Perturabo

No one liked him, that's pretty much it. We hear about the Night Lords being isolated but Curze had his share of friends. The Night Lords also abandoned a bunch of Iron Warriors to be killed by orks showing that even Curze was farther up the food chain of favored and respected primarchs than Perturabo.

Horus

Thought the Emperor had abandoned both him and the Imperium in a quest for godhood, he says this many times.

Fulgrim

Because of his friendship with Horus, I didn't think they needed all that talking sword crap.

Ironclad Warlord wrote:

Fulgrim

Because of his friendship with Horus, I didn't think they needed all that talking sword crap.

Holy gak, NO! Fulgrim's "fall" is, for my money, possibly the single worst moment in the Black Library. Just awful. That ploy was so transparent a child could have seen through it. I still hope they retcon that and make Fulgrim's corruption something actually legitimate.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
He betrayed the Emperor without needing to be mentally ill or Chaos controlling him, and seemingly without any sympathetic reason. That I recall.

He did so to save his legion from being stranded in the warp and turned into Nurgle zombies. His intention was to open fire with his fleet upon Horus' when they broke back into real-space at Terra. This is why Typhus killed all of their navigators and stranded them.

Magnus deliberately, knowingly, and voluntarily corrupted his entire legion with daemons moments after being reunited with them.

At least Mortarion had it forced upon him.

You are aware Mortarion turned against the Emperor long before the Destroyer Plague happened, right?

Flight of the Eisenstein makes that pretty obvious.