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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/13 19:42:50
Subject: Re:The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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'Nother update:
UPDATE: 2:25PM Jury reports that one set of jury instructions is missing pages 32-41. (Holy cow, that’s a lot of instructions.) Weighing the evidence, defendant’s statements, rules for deliberations, cautionary instructions, verdict, submitting case to the jury, not substantive discussions. We didn’t change any of these from the model instructions. Just sending back the missing pages. No objections from State or defense. Jurors also requested a dry easel or large paper, which will be sent back to them. Back in recess.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/13 19:45:51
Subject: The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Maybe they think they're in an arts and crafts class XD
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/13 19:49:02
Subject: Re:The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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whembly wrote:'Nother update:
UPDATE: 2:25PM Jury reports that one set of jury instructions is missing pages 32-41. (Holy cow, that’s a lot of instructions.) Weighing the evidence, defendant’s statements, rules for deliberations, cautionary instructions, verdict, submitting case to the jury, not substantive discussions. We didn’t change any of these from the model instructions. Just sending back the missing pages. No objections from State or defense. Jurors also requested a dry easel or large paper, which will be sent back to them. Back in recess.
Holy crap thats a big one...
Dude its a simple case. the charge and self defense scheme are simple to. Whats the dealio? That may include a lot of other things like Bob's Rules of Barbeque and Evidence or something.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/13 19:49:43
Subject: The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Heh... either they're being extra, super careful...not wanted to repeat the Zimmerman trial... Or... The decision isn't unanimous and they're trying to convince each other...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/13 19:50:56
Subject: The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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41 pages they need a flow chart just to get through the jury instruction index...
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/13 22:22:51
Subject: Re:The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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More info...
UPDATE: 4:30 Court back in session. Jury asking when letter exhibit #201 written? One of Dunn’s jail house letters. Court looks through transcript, identifies as June 2013. This is the “Black Friday” letter, though obviously not written that date. Jury now retiring back to jury room. Healey tells all four alternates they’ll be held overnight tonight, but tomorrow can be sequestered in hotel room rather than in court house, more comfortable for them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/14 02:53:51
Subject: The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Yes. People acting negatively towards others based on nothing but race is racism. Some people call that xenophobia, not to diminish it but to focus the discussion on institutional racism... and other people don't like the idea of changing what it's called. But ultimately that's just pointless word games. What matters is that we acknowledge that racism between individuals happens, and everyone can suffer that, and that institutional racism happens, and is an extremely powerful force in some people's lives, and those people are almost never white. Automatically Appended Next Post: Seaward wrote:I was talking about TV and newspaper pundits (and the entirety of MSNBC), but the quick leap to the defensive is curious. You know just picking on the nonsense spouted on MSNBC is as interesting and useful as leftwingers just picking on the crap spouted on FOX news, yeah? Automatically Appended Next Post: I'll remember that for the next poker night Automatically Appended Next Post: daedalus wrote:How much of a heritage do you need to have in order to be interested in it? In order to be interested in it? Zero. I can read books about Vikings if I want, despite having (as far as I know) absolutely no scandanavian heritage. In order to claim the heritage? Something, anything that's actually more than a surname. Family that still speaks the language, enough that you're somewhat familiar with it. Family who still live in that country that you stay in close contact with, including travelling to see them when you can. That kind of thing, something that means it's actually a heritage you were born in to, not something you decided to claim because you didn't want to accept you're really just another guy with the same US heritage as most people you know. whembly wrote:It's the opposite. It means the jury is having a hard time acquiring an unanimous decision. The longer it goes, the more likely it's hung. Or they really like what they're getting served for lunch each day
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/14 04:22:23
Subject: The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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I'm shocked about this, really.
Anyone figure out what evidence the jury got that would incline at least one of them to vote not guilty?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/14 04:30:46
Subject: Re:The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Spaceman earlier referenced the poorly handled police investigation as far as securing the crime scene. Though we didn't agree on some other stuff, I do agree that it certainly planted a seed of doubt: that perhaps there was a weapon that was disposed of. It doesn't help a witness literally said that he though maybe someone stashed something, and then under further questioning recanted that - who remembers the part where he walked that statement back, especially if your mind was set at that point? People always remember the accusation, never the reversal - it's human nature I think.
I think it's a little hard to swallow that there was possibly a gun there (that wasn't used when the car started getting shot up, c'mon) that was stashed before returning to the scene - in my mind that is kind of truthery contorting of possibilities to justify what you already want to believe. But will a jury have some doubt, some reasonable doubt? Maybe...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/14 19:06:53
Subject: Re:The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Jeeze... the jury is still deliberating...
To me, this definitely points to a hung jury.
I thought the Prosecution had a solid case here. o.O
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/14 19:14:00
Subject: The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I have absolute faith in the people of Florida to screw up anything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/14 22:21:36
Subject: Re:The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Update:
5:00PM Two questions from the jury. First question involves getting a 30 minute break, Healey of course says yes. Second question more substantive: Is it permissible for them to agree on several on the charges, but not on another of the charges. Answer is also yes. Verdicts would be rendered on the ones where unanimous agreement, the last would be hung jury, and State could re-prosecute on that hung charge at their discretion. (As a reminder, there are five indicted charges–Murder 1, three counts of attempted Murder 1, and hurling missiles. Also the jury is free to consider all lesser included charges.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/14 23:04:42
Subject: The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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Fate-Controlling Farseer
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Sounds like compromise? 3 attempted murder will put him away for a long time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/14 23:07:57
Subject: The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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djones520 wrote:Sounds like compromise? 3 attempted murder will put him away for a long time.
Maybe...
Remember, for each charges it has to be unanimous.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/14 23:12:30
Subject: The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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Fate-Controlling Farseer
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whembly wrote: djones520 wrote:Sounds like compromise? 3 attempted murder will put him away for a long time.
Maybe...
Remember, for each charges it has to be unanimous.
Sounds like their hung up on 1 charge. I'd put money on it being the murder.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/14 23:31:37
Subject: The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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So he attempted to kill people, and killed someone, but he didn't murder anyone... That's twisted.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/14 23:36:58
Subject: The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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LordofHats wrote:So he attempted to kill people, and killed someone, but he didn't murder anyone... That's twisted.
The objection is probably the 1st degree part.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 01:23:24
Subject: The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Yeah. I was thinking the same dogma. Why are they going for murder 1? I feel like that requires more premeditation than this act has justification for.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 01:35:44
Subject: Re:The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 01:52:18
Subject: The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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cincydooley wrote:Yeah. I was thinking the same dogma. Why are they going for murder 1? I feel like that requires more premeditation than this act has justification for.
Why not? The jury can always convict on a lesser charge.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 01:54:03
Subject: Re:The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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whembly wrote:Jeeze... the jury is still deliberating...
To me, this definitely points to a hung jury.
I thought the Prosecution had a solid case here. o.O
A prosecution can have a rock solid case and still have a very tough time selling the facts of the case to a jury.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 01:56:16
Subject: The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Ouze wrote: cincydooley wrote:Yeah. I was thinking the same dogma. Why are they going for murder 1? I feel like that requires more premeditation than this act has justification for.
Why not? The jury can always convict on a lesser charge.
Can they in Florida? I feel like they can't.....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 02:04:33
Subject: Re:The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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I think they are required to allow lesser charges for murder cases.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 02:44:36
Subject: The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Just found it Ouze. You're right. I bet that's why they're taking longer. 1st degree murder seems like a huge stretch to begin with.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 03:16:08
Subject: The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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cincydooley wrote:Just found it Ouze. You're right. I bet that's why they're taking longer. 1st degree murder seems like a huge stretch to begin with.
I'd agree with that. Premeditation seems like a road too far.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 03:30:39
Subject: The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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Ouze wrote: cincydooley wrote:Just found it Ouze. You're right. I bet that's why they're taking longer. 1st degree murder seems like a huge stretch to begin with.
I'd agree with that. Premeditation seems like a road too far.
Yeah, this was definitely 2nd degree. Still murder, and he should go to jail for a long time, but it wasn't 1st degree.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 04:15:14
Subject: Re:The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Kanluwen wrote: whembly wrote:Jeeze... the jury is still deliberating...
To me, this definitely points to a hung jury.
I thought the Prosecution had a solid case here. o.O
A prosecution can have a rock solid case and still have a very tough time selling the facts of the case to a jury.
Yeah... go figure.
Update:
6:50pm Jury requests to be dismissed for the night, saying they have “hit a wall for tonight.” Judge allows, no objection. He thanks jury, says he’ll let THEM decide what time to start tomorrow. Healey suggests, 9:00, 9:30, and one juror responds, “7:00″. The court room breaks into laughter. Healey decides jury can arrive when they wish, he’ll be there but rest of court need not, at 9:00AM he’ll call court into session and announce what time the jury actually started, just so everyone knows. That’s it for tonight.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/16 01:06:16
Subject: Re:The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/16 01:23:30
Subject: The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Also guilty of one count if "shooting" I think.
Sounds like they all agreed that he was quilty on the first count, but couldn't agree to the actual degree of the charge.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/16 01:26:18
Subject: The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread
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Fixture of Dakka
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d-usa wrote:Also guilty of one count if "shooting" I think.
Sounds like they all agreed that he was quilty on the first count, but couldn't agree to the actual degree of the charge.
Yeah, not great, but 'better than nothing'. And unreasonable racist trigger-happy man is off the street at least. Florida needs to change some laws... I have heard there has been big pushes to hurt the tourism trade until issues are addressed... Will it matter? Will a 'don't vacation in Florida' Boycott work? maybe...
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