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So me and some friends are having a casual doubles game soon as our newest member to the group has played a few games now.
It will be two 500 point space marine armies vs. a 500 point eldar army and a 500 point tyranid army.
As far as I know the eldar will probably be squads in wave serpents (no jetbikes), and the tyranids will be a decent sized hoard with probably only 1 MC.
We have already decided that the game will be played at my teammates place and he has lots of urban terrain with big line of sight blockers.
So here are our two armies:

My army:
HQ:
Librarian: (70)
+Melta Bomb

Troops:
Scout Squad: (110)
+Combi melta
+Landspeeder strom
+Heavy flamer

Scout Squad: (110)
+Combi melta
+Landspeeder strom
+Heavy flamer

Fast Attack:
Assault Squad: (105)
+Flamer
+Melta bombs
+Veteran sergeant
+Drop pod

Assault Squad: (105)
+Flamer
+Melta bombs
+Veteran sergeant
+Drop pod

Total: 500/500



My Teammates Army:
HQ:
Librarian: (65)

Troops:
Scout Squad: (70)
+Camo cloaks
+5 sniper rifles

Tactical Squad: (90)
+Lascannon

Heavy Support:
Stalker: (75)

Thunderfire Cannon: (100)

Thunderfire Cannon: (100)

Total: 500/500

So my main concern is the stalker. We know they own fliers and flying monstrous creatures but were not sure if they will use them. So we could swap it for an aegis and some upgrades on the tactical squad, but that would leave us completely defenseless if they brought them.
So what are your opinions?
All comments and criticism is appreciated.
Thanks.

I’d leave it in. Even if there aren’t flyers, it can shoot skimmers just fine, so can take shots at the wave serpents. If you are playing on a urban table, there should be plenty of ruins to hide in, so the ADL’s cover is not as necessary.

What chapter tactics you planning on using?

I’d drop all the melta bombs from your list and use those points to buy a power weapon for an assault squad. How much AV14 rear armor you planning on facing? Krack grenades should be fine, and you have some c-meltas on the scouts if needed.

You could go double flamer on your assault squad if you can shake the points free.

What’s your partner’s librarian going to do/go? Speaking of which, why librarians at all? For the deny the witch? I think the new tyranids have a melt your brain ability, you might want to steer clear of pychers.

Overall your lists are a little light on long range anti tank fire. But 500 points it’s hard to get everything, and you have some.

I agree about the stalker.
As for chapter tactics I have no clue. Any suggestions?
Double flamer sounds good.
Librarians are just there as their cheap as chips. Didn't really want to spend that much on them so we could put in more units. Do you recommend we shake some points free to upgrade to captains?

Thanks,

 dylz_22 wrote:
I agree about the stalker.
As for chapter tactics I have no clue. Any suggestions?
Double flamer sounds good.
Librarians are just there as their cheap as chips. Didn't really want to spend that much on them so we could put in more units. Do you recommend we shake some points free to upgrade to captains?

Thanks,

For you, I might go with Salamanders. Or Ultramarines. Wait, you using bolter scouts in the storms? Or shotguns or BP/CCW? If bolters, Imp. Fists becomes very attractive.

Chapter tactics for your friend are going to be mostly irrelevant. UM is not bad generically, Iron Hands would be fluffy, and help a little.

I keep forgetting how dirt cheap bare-bones librarians are these days . I’m still mentally stuck in the last codex all HQs=100 points. Nids and Eldar were the two armies that your librarians heads would explode facing. That’s less the case these days, but I think nids will still mess with you within synapse range. -3 Ld for psychers IIRC. So while I’d prefer a chaplain leading your assault squad, I’m not sure you can shake the 25 points you need free. The librarian at least comes with a power weapon and a psychic hood, even if you never attempt to use his power.

So hows this sound:

My army: (Imperial Fists)
HQ:
Chaplain: (90)

Troops:
Scout Squad: (110)
+Combi melta
+Landspeeder strom
+Heavy flamer

Scout Squad: (110)
+Combi melta
+Landspeeder strom
+Heavy flamer

Fast Attack:
Assault Squad: (105)
+Flamer
+Melta bombs
+Drop pod

Assault Squad: (105)
+Flamer
+Melta bombs
+Drop pod

Total: 500/500



My Teammates Army: (Ultramarines)
HQ:
Librarian: (65)

Troops:
Scout Squad: (70)
+Camo cloaks
+5 sniper rifles

Tactical Squad: (90)
+Lascannon

Heavy Support:
Stalker: (75)

Thunderfire Cannon: (100)

Thunderfire Cannon: (100)

Total: 500/500

So I dropped the veteran sergeant off the 2 assault squads to replace the librarian with melta bombs for the chaplain.
I chose Imperial Fists for my army, and Ultramarines is for my teammates.
Are these the right choices?
Thanks,

At this point there are no right or wrong choices. How your scatter die is feeling will have more of an impact then those last 5 points. Also, without knowing exactly what you are going to face it’s impossible to dial every thing in just-so.

At some point you just need to call it a day and go out and have fun. There are always little tweaks you can make, but it’s pretty much down to preferences at this point.

Emperor Protects! Go forth an smite some Xenos!

Ok, thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
Once we play the game I might make a battle report if I get the time.

Thanks,
dylz_22