Imperial Knights - Codex Preview Video 03/03 - Gasp! Probably worth watching!

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**Bonde**

prowla wrote:
NoggintheNog wrote:

Having said that, I think the move to ever bigger models is a worrying trend in term sof the game itself, yes, they are mostly cool looking things and as objects I like them, but they inevitable end up two feet apart on a 6x4 gaming table and it just looks stupid.
The game isnt one to compare to reality really, but a table of a couple of squads of marines and a transport or two facing a few squads of eldar and the odd tank sort of 'fit' into the table as a believable battle.

A honking great wraithknight and a couple of these? Not so much.

The biggest problem is that you can't really go much larger on table size than 6'x4' - that 2' is what you can reach comfortably to move models around. Personally, I'm starting to turn towards 15mm scale like FoW for these higher model count battles. Fortunately, for 28mm skirmish there's also Bolt Action that guarantees that there's no big gribblies coming to the table - unless they release some 'Nazi secret weapons' stuff

The size of the latest models really affects the terrain, too. I guess with the new larger models, you should have multiple pieces of 2-3 stories high terrain, just to block the LOS. With the current kits, you have to start looking how Battletech/mecha tables are set up, heightwise, to make it interesting to move infantry and big walkers around. Even the big walkers SHOULD have to make tactical choices, which pieces to maneuver around etc.. So more cityfight terrain?

I'm a member of a gaming club, but I never thought of this. Our terrain has remained the same for the last 5 years, while the miniatures from GW has gotten bigger and bigger. There are now flyers and monsters on the table, so it has become really difficult getting cover from anything important.

**Seneca**

bubber wrote:
The silhouette at the end shows a walker with 2 guns - none of the leaks so far has shown this pattern of knight.
I know the rules leak doesn't have options for changing the CCW for a gun but maybe that will be an option in the Codex??

I think it's just the CCW we already saw in the other pics, only from an different angle.

**agnosto**

Some people mentioned terrain. Is the game outgrowing current table sizes? Too many big gribblies on the table and you don't have space for buildings/terrain. I can't imagine trying to maneuver these around and dealing with charges to get that D cc weapon in action, "I'm just going to move this hill and this building so I can put this model down here..."

**Vain**

I'm more than likely going to end up in the "I think DFG make a better kit" camp, but how about we suspend this argument until it gets released, or at least until get get some nice images of the sprues and assembly options.

Who knows, GW may surprise the pants off of us and this will have all the good stuff that the Leviathan and Mortis have thanks to their slide tooling etc.

Edit: ok, seems i am late for that party...

**Alpharius**

At this point, maybe it is time to start a separate thread about Engineering, Aesthetics and DFG's version

Yes, please.

**RiTides**

Seriously, give that argument up guys... I'm going to have both, they both have strengths, they are not the same. And that's a good thing

**Bull0**

Looky Likey wrote:
Bull0 wrote:

I just love the way we all talk about GW being totally incompetent one minute but then accuse them of machiavellian astuteness the next. Pick one. Also, if they'd made it more expensive, would you be happier?
I like how you haven't addressed my point and try to defect onto something else.

Picking up on that anyway, I actually think its pretty stupid to hit back on the 3rd party market both with the case that they brought against Chapterhouse as it was far too overreaching and the over reaction yanking units when they lost the case. Lego has a thriving bits market for things that Lego won't make (like scale versions of real life guns) and they support their bits market, perfect case of the clear market leader in a niche area not being a d-bag and still maintaining sales & IP.

Oh and I think the Knight should be free on the cover of the next White Dwarf.

Mate... I responded to your original point, you raised some other gak about codex prices, then you accused ME of "defecting" (you meant "deflecting" I guess). No, no, no. Not playing.

**sockwithaticket**

Surely any discussion over relative merits of design/engineering is irrelevant until we see the sprues or have them in hand?

The DFG walkers have a level of articulation that's more or less unprecedented, that is to be lauded and admired, but cannot be compared fairly to a few small pictures of a constructed model and rumours about what a kit is like.

**RiTides**

Will this coming white dwarf contain the knight rules? But you still need to buy the book to use them / ally them in? Or...?

**BrookM**

Looks like either way works, though the White Dwarf only gives you some of the rules for fielding them, not everything, for which you'll need the codex.

I think they did the same with the new Dwarf units: Give stats and rules, but nothing beyond that.

**Looky Likey**

Bull0 wrote:
Mate... I responded to your original point, you raised some other gak about codex prices, then you accused ME of "defecting" (you meant "deflecting" I guess). No, no, no. Not playing.

Please show me where I complained about codex prices in this thread, as I can't find anything like that when I did a search on my posts. Does your ION shield deflect for all sides or do you have to choose a side upfront?

**Slayer le boucher**

Still Hope that the Freeblades list permits to take them with CSM...

**Alpharius**

Seriously - time to move past Off Topic Bickering and "I Am Right On The Internet!" arguing.

Last warning.

**Shandara**

sockwithaticket wrote:
Surely any discussion over relative merits of design/engineering is irrelevant until we see the sprues or have them in hand?

The DFG walkers have a level of articulation that's more or less unprecedented, that is to be lauded and admired, but cannot be compared fairly to a few small pictures of a constructed model and rumours about what a kit is like.

Some people have the uncanny ability to divine engineering quality from a photo of a blurry WD picture and determine how the sprue is laid out and what articulation options it has.

I'm not one of those people, sadly.

**beartree**

Could "Taranis" (text on the heraldry in the teaser video) be a reference to the celtic god of thunder?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taranis

**zedmeister**

beartree wrote:
Could "Taranis" (text on the heraldry in the teaser video) be a reference to the celtic god of thunder?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taranis

Taranis is one of the Knight Households featured in Mechanicum: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Knights_of_Taranis

**Ironwill13791**

Natfka is posting rumours that this kit is going to be $160. That is the same cost as the Lord of Skulls kit (which is pretty bulky). I hope the Knight kit doesn't go above $140 or it might price me out of it.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Looky Likey wrote:
Does your ION shield deflect for all sides or do you have to choose a side upfront?

The ion shield just protects one side (front/left/right or rear), but you get to set it on initial deployment then at the start of each of your opponents shooting phases before they shoot anything so you can pick the most usefull side to protect

EDIT: and the way the rules written you'd get to do it against each subsequent opponent in a multiplayer match too

**Azreal13**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Looky Likey wrote:
Does your ION shield deflect for all sides or do you have to choose a side upfront?

The ion shield just protects one side (front/left/right or rear), but you get to set it on initial deployment then at the start of each of your opponents shooting phases before they shoot anything so you can pick the most usefull side to protect

EDIT: and the way the rules written you'd get to do it against each subsequent opponent in a multiplayer match too

Erm...

That wasn't what he meant.

**Asmodai Asmodean**

You choose when being shot at during the start of the shooting phase.

GW have finally done something new and unprecedented, which is release an amazing update of an old epic class for 40k; and people are still complaining.

In the end, no one is going to mourn the loss of your income. Buy the DFG leviathan. Buy the Knight. Buy either. Buy none. Just don't whine about it.

**Co'tor Shas**

insaniak wrote:
Therion wrote:

Broadsides are bigger models than Space Marine Dreadnoughts, but I never seen anyone wonder why they're not vehicles.

Really? I can recall quite a few complaints about that back when the Tau were new.

Well to be fair the original broadsided were just crisis suits with metal bits stuck on. They were the size of a crisis suits, just with guns bigger than them.

Like this acctuly

The metal parts were the guns, SMS, feet, and two little things that covered the jet pack.

**SarisKhan**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
Still Hope that the Freeblades list permits to take them with CSM...

Nothing prevents us from putting spiky bits and the Star of Chaos on our Knights

As far as playability goes, Apoc is an obvious green light to use them, at worst.

Perhaps FW could provide some conversion kits and/or rules to use Knights in CSM armies.

**Solis Luna Astrum**

Fairly reliable source told me I should have $140 ready for the pre-order.

**pretre**

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
Fairly reliable source told me I should have $140 ready for the pre-order.

You mean like the previous page?

Also, we've heard $120, so who knows at this point.

**AlexHolker**

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
GW have finally done something new and unprecedented, which is release an amazing update of an old epic class for 40k;

*cough*Baneblade*cough*

**MajorWesJanson**

BrookM wrote:
Oh yeah, looking forward to a MEGA sheet of transfers!

It's been a while since we have gotten a decal sheet the size of the Baneblade one...

**pizzaguardian**

pretre wrote:
Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
Fairly reliable source told me I should have $140 ready for the pre-order.

You mean like the previous page?

Also, we've heard $120, so who knows at this point.

Turkey distributor is selling them right in the middle of wraithknight and khornedozer. At least that's what he messaged he will, today.

**sennacherib**

Seems like GW, being as they are financially sucking heavily right now, WOULD have thought to include a chaos version in the rules.

THat is of course acting on the assumption that they actually think.

Fail.

**Ironwill13791**

pretre wrote:
Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
Fairly reliable source told me I should have $140 ready for the pre-order.

You mean like the previous page?

Also, we've heard $120, so who knows at this point.

Actually, a local store, to me, (Battlegrounds) threw up a pic of the Imperial Knight and said "The big man is $140.00". Now, I am feeling fairly confident in that price point, but I wont 100% confident until my main store close by has the pre-orders up for that cost.

**WrentheFaceless**

Funny the title of the thread had to be edited to include (Not Titans)

Pre orders here are $120, dunno if thats base, or discounted.