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2014/02/18 15:26:22
Subject: Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Confirmed - WD pics and Teaser in OP
People will buy this model. Folks said the same thing about the Wraithknight and I know I see one to two in nearly every Eldar army. Same thing with the Riptide.
I expect to see fully painted Knights all over the internet by the end of March.
No earth shattering, thought provoking quote. I'm just someone who was introduced to 40K in the late 80's and it's become a lifelong hobby.
2014/02/18 16:24:43
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Confirmed - WD pics and Teaser in OP
Because DreamForge Leviathans are RRP USD 157,50 + USD 45,50 for extra weapons (while the Knight has all options included).
The Crusader is $120 and the Mortis $110. Extra weapons are $35.00.
I suspect the Knight will have two weapon options included. The two we have seen so far. With other, possibly much more effective, weapons being FW. But that is my opinion.
If I were GW I would have shot for a $110 price point, making the knight a clear winner. As it is there will be a lot of DF Knights being used. Not least because many people already own them and are looking for an excuse to use them. I like the knight model, and will probably pick one up. But if I were to say wish to field a knight household, DF would be my go to models, Online they are under $100 each, $120 in the local store if he decided to carry them with this change to 40k.
2014/02/18 17:12:57
Subject: Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Confirmed - WD pics and Teaser in OP
Aren't the 15mm DF models the ones that are the right size, not the 28mm? And those are only $50.
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2014/02/18 17:16:31
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Confirmed - WD pics and Teaser in OP
Because DreamForge Leviathans are RRP USD 157,50 + USD 45,50 for extra weapons (while the Knight has all options included).
The Crusader is $120 and the Mortis $110. Extra weapons are $35.00.
I suspect the Knight will have two weapon options included. The two we have seen so far. With other, possibly much more effective, weapons being FW. But that is my opinion.
If I were GW I would have shot for a $110 price point, making the knight a clear winner. As it is there will be a lot of DF Knights being used. Not least because many people already own them and are looking for an excuse to use them. I like the knight model, and will probably pick one up. But if I were to say wish to field a knight household, DF would be my go to models, Online they are under $100 each, $120 in the local store if he decided to carry them with this change to 40k.
waaayyyyy back in this thread, it was already covered what a retailer (same one that posted pic of cover) saw in the kit (mentioned on BoLS).... "...lots of skulls, banners, multiple head options, big fist, chainsword arm, shielded cannon arm, a large gatling weapon..." , and more, ....etc.....
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pretre wrote: Aren't the 15mm DF models the ones that are the right size, not the 28mm? And those are only $50.
this thread is getting so redundant! waaayyyyy back, it was covered the 15mm is 4.5" tall & the 28mm is 8.5" tall (and 2" bigger in diameter).... the IK is supposedly 7" tall....
Automatically Appended Next Post: for $20 I can get a 5.75" lost planet 2 ptx-140 to go with my DKOK army....better aesthetic for my army & on converted base = 7"....
Automatically Appended Next Post: also, Titanfall action figs are coming of Dec 2014, they are going to be 1/35th scale (6-7" tall).....
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2014/02/18 18:09:32
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Confirmed - WD pics and Teaser in OP
waaayyyyy back in this thread, it was already covered what a retailer (same one that posted pic of cover) saw in the kit (mentioned on BoLS).... "...lots of skulls, banners, multiple head options, big fist, chainsword arm, shielded cannon arm, a large gatling weapon..." , and more, ....etc.....
That would be excellent. I missed it somehow when I read the entire thread.
for $20 I can get a 5.75" lost planet 2 ptx-140 to go with my DKOK army....better aesthetic for my army & on converted base = 7"....
Not an aesthetic I like, but great for you.
also, Titanfall action figs are coming of Dec 2014, they are going to be 1/35th scale (6-7" tall).....
Dec 2014....
Also there are the 7" Pacific Rim toys. For those looking for a different aesthetic.
2014/02/18 18:21:56
Subject: Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Confirmed - WD pics and Teaser in OP
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2014/02/18 18:29:08
Subject: Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Confirmed - WD pics and Teaser in OP
Aside from the fact it apparently costs the same, kit pricing is less to do with the overall size of the finished model and more to do with the number of sprues, and consequently the number of moulds that need to be developed.
While the Knight isn't as bulky as the Baneblade! it might require multiple sprues in order to work, then factor in that GW are now introducing their price rises on a launch by launch basis rather than once a year, and here we are, likely fewer sprues but incorporating a price rise = same price.
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pretre wrote: Aren't the 15mm DF models the ones that are the right size, not the 28mm? And those are only $50.
I believe they are 4.7 inch, so with a bulky base it should be good to go. This is what I was thinking of doing (GW one costs to much IMO), though I cant see any weapons options for it. I was going to use this to get back into 40k (love the fluff, just not the rules), especially with the rumour of mechanicus being in the book but if I cant get any weapon options for the DF one I may have to bow out. I was going to get back into 40k with the new Sisters, but no plastics were released, I then was going to get back into it with the codex Inquisition, but it wasn't what I was looking for. I have some battlesuits lying around that I enjoyed painting (well one of them painted!) So I may still do a farsight enclave for an all battlesuit army.
2014/02/18 18:44:35
Subject: Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Confirmed - WD pics and Teaser in OP
waaayyyyy back in this thread, it was already covered what a retailer (same one that posted pic of cover) saw in the kit (mentioned on BoLS).... "...lots of skulls, banners, multiple head options, big fist, chainsword arm, shielded cannon arm, a large gatling weapon..." , and more, ....etc.....
That would be excellent. I missed it somehow when I read the entire thread.
for $20 I can get a 5.75" lost planet 2 ptx-140 to go with my DKOK army....better aesthetic for my army & on converted base = 7"....
Not an aesthetic I like, but great for you.
also, Titanfall action figs are coming of Dec 2014, they are going to be 1/35th scale (6-7" tall).....
Dec 2014....
Also there are the 7" Pacific Rim toys. For those looking for a different aesthetic.
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waaayyyyy back in this thread, it was already covered what a retailer (same one that posted pic of cover) saw in the kit (mentioned on BoLS).... "...lots of skulls, banners, multiple head options, big fist, chainsword arm, shielded cannon arm, a large gatling weapon..." , and more, ....etc.....
That would be excellent. I missed it somehow when I read the entire thread.
for $20 I can get a 5.75" lost planet 2 ptx-140 to go with my DKOK army....better aesthetic for my army & on converted base = 7"....
Not an aesthetic I like, but great for you.
also, Titanfall action figs are coming of Dec 2014, they are going to be 1/35th scale (6-7" tall).....
Dec 2014....
Also there are the 7" Pacific Rim toys. For those looking for a different aesthetic.
waaayyyyy back in this thread, it was already covered what a retailer (same one that posted pic of cover) saw in the kit (mentioned on BoLS).... "...lots of skulls, banners, multiple head options, big fist, chainsword arm, shielded cannon arm, a large gatling weapon..." , and more, ....etc.....
That would be excellent. I missed it somehow when I read the entire thread.
for $20 I can get a 5.75" lost planet 2 ptx-140 to go with my DKOK army....better aesthetic for my army & on converted base = 7"....
Not an aesthetic I like, but great for you.
also, Titanfall action figs are coming of Dec 2014, they are going to be 1/35th scale (6-7" tall).....
Dec 2014....
Also there are the 7" Pacific Rim toys. For those looking for a different aesthetic.
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
pretre wrote: Aren't the 15mm DF models the ones that are the right size, not the 28mm? And those are only $50.
I believe they are 4.7 inch, so with a bulky base it should be good to go. This is what I was thinking of doing (GW one costs to much IMO), though I cant see any weapons options for it. I was going to use this to get back into 40k (love the fluff, just not the rules), especially with the rumour of mechanicus being in the book but if I cant get any weapon options for the DF one I may have to bow out. I was going to get back into 40k with the new Sisters, but no plastics were released, I then was going to get back into it with the codex Inquisition, but it wasn't what I was looking for. I have some battlesuits lying around that I enjoyed painting (well one of them painted!) So I may still do a farsight enclave for an all battlesuit army.
I got 4.5" right off Dreamforges website, regardless, the pic of the IK with Eldar Avatar (4.6" , at sword tip, tall from FW), says it all... The 15mm DF model would look like an oversized dread or a baby knight...
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2014/02/18 20:53:51
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Confirmed - WD pics and Teaser in OP
I've heard estimates of 190mm tall (with wraithknights at 230mm, and warhounds at 270mm) from comparing it to the Trigon (or whatever that bug is) which is said to be 150mm tall depending on the pose.
So roughly 7.5 inches tall for the Knight with the wraithknight being held a 9 inch. So that's not that bad. Big bulky of course but 7.5 inches sound right with the description I keep hearing of a Knight being "between a Riptide and Wraithknight".
Best guess is they stand on the same base as the WK, which is the flyer base.
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2014/02/18 20:57:17
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Confirmed - WD pics and Teaser in OP
Because DreamForge Leviathans are RRP USD 157,50 + USD 45,50 for extra weapons (while the Knight has all options included).
The Crusader is $120 and the Mortis $110. Extra weapons are $35.00.
Not this side of the pond, they are not. Crusader is USD 157,55 (and with discount, it ends up around USD 126,- though GW kits will also have a ~ 15% to 20% discount from most etailers).
Could be an import thing though, meaning Crusaders end up cheaper than GW Knights in the states, but more expensive than GW Knights east of the Atlantic.
Because DreamForge Leviathans are RRP USD 157,50 + USD 45,50 for extra weapons (while the Knight has all options included).
The Crusader is $120 and the Mortis $110. Extra weapons are $35.00.
Not this side of the pond, they are not. Crusader is USD 157,55 (and with discount, it ends up around USD 126,- though GW kits will also have a ~ 15% to 20% discount from most etailers).
Could be an import thing though, meaning Crusaders end up cheaper than GW Knights in the states, but more expensive than GW Knights east of the Atlantic.
Well direct from DF is 98 usd, granted it does not come with the same equipment, but honestly you could use it box standard for all the dif it makes, it is not like there is going to be 8 leviathans on the table all with different gear.
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2014/02/18 21:08:44
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Confirmed - WD pics and Teaser in OP
Because DreamForge Leviathans are RRP USD 157,50 + USD 45,50 for extra weapons (while the Knight has all options included).
The Crusader is $120 and the Mortis $110. Extra weapons are $35.00.
Not this side of the pond, they are not. Crusader is USD 157,55 (and with discount, it ends up around USD 126,- though GW kits will also have a ~ 15% to 20% discount from most etailers).
Could be an import thing though, meaning Crusaders end up cheaper than GW Knights in the states, but more expensive than GW Knights east of the Atlantic.
Well direct from DF is 98 usd, granted it does not come with the same equipment, but honestly you could use it box standard for all the dif it makes.
I still have a Crusader and a Mortis from the Kickstarter. But Shipping directly from DF for a Crusader is USD 58,- meaning it's USD 156,- already. Add 20% import tax and possibly a customes handling charge, and you're looking at close to USD 200,- . GW ships for free. No tax.
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DF Leviathan is RRP USD 157,55 on Wayland, or 126ish after Wayland discount. Or GBP 95,- RRP, 76 after discount
GW Knight will be RRP USD 140,- on Wayland, or 112 to 119ish after Wayland discount (ya know, just like the Baneblade). Or GBP 85,- RRP, 72,50 after discount
GW Knight wins.
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Guys, as much as I love both products, can we drop that line of discussion? It's seriously been done to death. There's really not much more to say about it until we get to see the Knight sprues and how posable they are, how many weapons they come with, etc...
Any speculation as to when the book will hit, and if it will be a physical book rather than digital? I'm surprised they're putting out the knight and the IG 'dex the same weekend... hoping to get people to buy the knight and then be on the hook for getting the rules later, I guess?
2014/02/18 21:24:27
Subject: Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Confirmed - WD pics in OP
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2014/02/18 21:24:44
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Confirmed - WD pics and Teaser in OP
Alpharius wrote: Probably not to be found in the Imperial Knights thread?
Burn!
On topic: I think that I am going to have to get at least one Knight, even if I will never field it. It is just too nice looking.
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2014/02/18 21:30:36
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Confirmed - WD pics and Teaser in OP
I foresee another upcoming problem with the upcoming knights for those who own the Dreamforge Leviathan.
After all, it's only a matter of time until a leviathan counting as a knight and one counting as a warhound show up on the same table...
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2014/02/18 21:37:58
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