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 insaniak wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
... And since we know you can take them 1-3 as some sort of ally, ...

Yeah, but, for whom...?


I can totally see it going down well if I just rock up to a game with three Knights tagged onto my army and say 'Well, yeah, there are no actual rules available yet for taking them as allies, but someone can supposedly take them... so we don't know that I can't...'

There's also no way of knowing what, if any, other effect that is supposed to have on your army, or how those 1-3 are actually fielded. Are they independant? A Squadron? Something else?

Can I field a Warlord while I'm at it? I mean, Forgeworld are supposedly working on one, so there'll be actual rules for them someday... I can just make up rules until then, surely?

Ther are official emperor titan rules on GWs website. They're here http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2440056_Imperial_Datasheet_-_Emperor_Battle_Titan.pdf

Written for the previous version of Apoc.

 insaniak wrote:
Individually? As a squadron?

Yes. WD4, p24, "...you can include up to three Imperial Knights as a single allied detachment for each primary detachment in your army."

 insaniak wrote:
As some other formation we haven't seen before?

Don't know. Don't care. Not fielding them an any "bizzaro world" fashion.

 insaniak wrote:
As if right now, you need to make up rules to answer that question in order to field them.

Nope. I only have to assume that a Space Marine army is eligible - and I'm fine and dandy with doing that.

 Breotan wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Individually? As a squadron?

Yes. WD4, p24, "...you can include up to three Imperial Knights as a single allied detachment for each primary detachment in your army."

That doesn't actually answer the question. Yes, they're a single detachment. Are they 3 individual units, a squadron, or something else?

Unless you can find an answer to that in the rules published so far, there is no way to legally field those three knights without making up rules.

It doesn't matter so much if they are one squadron or several, IIRC super heavies don't have to combine fire or maintain coherency and are counted individually for VP.

So you'll have to buy escalation AND a codex to run a $140 model?

I'd be surprised if the book that has the full Knight rules didn't also have the rules on how its used in games (ie. a reprint of the relevant Escalation stuff).

Then again, maybe this is more proof of 7th Ed including Escalation. If that's in the main rulebook then you don't need that book, the rulebook and the Knight book.

 Medium of Death wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
http://www.darksphere.co.uk/pgc.php?c=1292

Darksphere put it at £63.75 plus p&p

And the P&P is an extra tenner, so it doesn't end up being a deal compared to other retailers.

Just wanted to drag this up as if the other retailer is Total Wargamer, which I think it might be, you could be waiting a very long time. Obviously the Darksphere P&P kills it a little but they are good for large orders and they are very fast shipping wise.

Also Giftsforgeeks and another one I think, they all come in around £70-£72 shipped once you do the math, except for Total Wargamer who are cheaper but as you say notoriously unreliable. I wish Edinburgh had an indie that stocked GW at a decent discount

 Crablezworth wrote:
So you'll have to buy escaltion AND a codex to run a $140 model?

Possibly. I plan to cut costs by using the WD rules and simply memorizing relevant Escalation stuff from other people's rule books.

 Breotan wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Individually? As a squadron?

Yes. WD4, p24, "...you can include up to three Imperial Knights as a single allied detachment for each primary detachment in your army."

So I can tell my brother who wants to get his Tyranid models out of storage that he can field them, too?

 Crablezworth wrote:
So you'll have to buy escaltion AND a codex to run a $140 model?

Assuming the relevent super heavy rules aren't published in the codex

I saw one today at the local GW store. It is a neat model, and the oval base is much larger than the current flyer based.

Still aint no eight inches tall though. GW is just trying to get you all hot and bothered... which means the Dream-Forge leviathans will make the Knights look small.

This is one of the last things GW can sell that mass amounts of people will seek out and buy. Be interesting to see what they try after this to keep the financial reports semi-stable. I predict full-blown titans within a year.

 Harriticus wrote:
This is one of the last things GW can sell that mass amounts of people will seek out and buy. Be interesting to see what they try after this to keep the financial reports semi-stable. I predict full-blown titans within a year.

Lol theres plenty they could do... when theyre in a pinch they could always drop those fabled plastic sisters we'd eat em right up. Oh and plastic T-Hawks have gota be within their capabilities by now. Theres no end of models that have been highly demanded with no product yet offered by GW. And when there really is nothing else left to do... they could always stop being 'premium' and try being 'affordable' to open up a whole new world of sales and potential customers; I suspect the drop in markup could be vastly out weighed by increase in clientelle as lets face it sticker-shock is their number 1 off putting factor.

I'm just wondering if this is the plastic war hound people claim to have seen over the last year, or if that's still out there.

As far as the last BIG thing people would buy from GW. There's still the war hound, and thunderhawk that I think would cause the same mad rush.

We don't even need to go down the pastic ThunderHawk road

 Harriticus wrote:
This is one of the last things GW can sell that mass amounts of people will seek out and buy. Be interesting to see what they try after this to keep the financial reports semi-stable. I predict full-blown titans within a year.

Oh please; they could "plasticise" any number of FW kits, they could bring back more niche mini-armies based in the Allies system, they could as has been mentioned finally revamp the Adeptus Sororitas, they could bring back any of the half-dozen Specialist Games either as full ranges or just as boxed sets, they could do dozens of things that would have people queuing out the doors of their shops to buy stuff even at their current ludicrous prices.

And even if, one day, they run out of stuff to revamp and rerelease, if they found they'd tapped out their Strategic Nostalgium Reserve, they could make a fairly modest investment in slide-core tooling for plastic mould production and then dump Heroic Scale, giving them an excuse to revamp their entire range from scratch complete with marketing blitz(so far as GW ever engage in marketing) touting their amazing and revelatory new modern aesthetic, Ferarri of models, yada yada yada.

GW's problem isn't that they've reached the limits of what can be done creatively within the 40K and WHFB IPs, their problem is that they're a publicly traded company that's focused on extracting maximum short-term revenue in order to pass it on to shareholders, rather than a privately owned company focused on providing a great product at a reasonable price and then using the revenue generated by that product to expand their business and carefully curate their IPs.

 Harriticus wrote:
This is one of the last things GW can sell that mass amounts of people will seek out and buy. Be interesting to see what they try after this to keep the financial reports semi-stable. I predict full-blown titans within a year.

According to rumours 2 new 40k editions per year

Very well said Yodhrin.

Bringing back Epic, Adeptus Titanicus or BFG and making use of modern moulding technology would have people buying from them in droves, even if they didn't want to use whatever rules they bring out alongside.

With FW doing the 30K era Mechanicum, it would make so much sense for GW to bring out more 40K era Adeptus Mechanicus related stuff in plastic. They would be the perfect addition to add some spice to imperial forces.

Unboxing vid:




That base does look bigger than the current 120x95mm oval base. I guess there could be some truth to the 8" height then? My DF Leviathan Crusader really hopes so, makes him an excellent GK Knight and finally gives me a use for that Excalibur sword arm.

 Redemption wrote:

...finally gives me a use for that Excalibur sword arm.

Hmmm, I hadn't thought of that!

 Redemption wrote:
Unboxing vid:




That base does look bigger than the current 120x95mm oval base. I guess there could be some truth to the 8" height then? My DF Leviathan Crusader really hopes so, makes him an excellent GK Knight and finally gives me a use for that Excalibur sword arm.

Interesting.

If it does end up 8" tall, it will be quite surprising. In the video on the GW site there's a new image showing it being not much larger than a Trygon again. So if it's 8", we'll have had about half a dozen deceptive pictures showing it as 6-6.5", lol.

That is one of the most painful unboxing videos I've ever tried to watch. Dude needs a steadycam.

Grumble. Grumble. I'm going to have to get one of these. Or three. My poor bank account.

YakManDoo wrote:
PP is the target not Dreamforge IMHO...PP has been releasing giant models throughout their range...this is GW responding to the changing marketplace...Riptide, Wraithknight and now the Cygnar...er...I mean imperial Knight. Glad they are doing this, but Dreamforge is chump change compared to PP and their threat to GW market share.

Just read this. I wish it was true. If GW is so worried about PP, how come we still have crappy, unbalanced rules then? If GW was so worried about PP, wouldn't GW want a tighter, WELL WRITTEN rules system in place then?

GW botched this up again. I was ready to pay up to $115 dollars for this thing since it is one of the best things they have made in a while. Then they make it $140 with a separate $20 transfer sheet. Now we all know that the Dreamforge knight is gonna move like hotcakes now...

Congratulations GW you fueled your competition.

EDIT: it's roughly the size of the Stompa right? So why such a high price? The stench of extortion surrounds this thing.

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
GW botched this up again. I was ready to pay up to $115 dollars for this thing since it is one of the best things they have made in a while. Then they make it $140 with a separate $20 transfer sheet. Now we all know that the Dreamforge knight is gonna move like hotcakes now...

Congratulations GW you fueled your competition.

There are two different transfer sheets.

One is included with the Knight, the other is an A4 sized transfer sheet sold for $20(which isn't that far off from the pricing of quality transfer sheets sold for scale armor/aircraft which clock in at anything from $15 to $24 for an A4 sized transfer sheet).

This is the Knight transfer sheet included in the box:


This is the Knight transfer sheet sold by itself:

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
GW botched this up again. I was ready to pay up to $115 dollars for this thing since it is one of the best things they have made in a while. Then they make it $140 with a separate $20 transfer sheet. Now we all know that the Dreamforge knight is gonna move like hotcakes now...

Congratulations GW you fueled your competition.

EDIT: it's roughly the size of the Stompa right? So why such a high price? The stench of extortion surrounds this thing.

You don't like it so no one will?
Seems from my end that interest is really high for these things.

 insaniak wrote:
I'm not really seeing the point of buying the White Dwarf for incomplete rules...

You can see the pictures of the models online, and you still need to wait for the codex in order to field them... so why buy the magazine just to read what has already been posted here...?

I just bought my first WD with the new format. and I have to say I'm impressed! the incomplete rules is just the icing IMO. This issue 90% covers 'just' the Imperial Knight model itself. It talks about the history of the model (both fluff and model wise), designing the model, painting the model, building the model, tactics for the model. Its not indepth, but a great snippits about the model regardless.

The remaining 10% non Imperial Knights topic surprised me as well. It gives some interesting tidbits about GW in general, such as which issue the Imperial Knights were first introduced, bit of the week, pics of old GW models etc.

The paper quality is good too. the pages feels almost like cardstock rather than paper. Overall I would highly recommand you to at least buy an issue with a topic you like and give it a shot.

I think, GW just trolled the community. I mean, how can we have grown men talking to each other about 6" or 8" for a few pages now. Someone even said 5.5" I believe. That would be average size. LOL

Guys check out the release video of the Imperial Knights from GW! Its one of the best GW produced videos I have ever seen!

I think this is what GW meant when they say 'forge the narrative'. Really got me excited to owe one of these knights




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 Bronzefists42 wrote:
GW botched this up again. I was ready to pay up to $115 dollars for this thing since it is one of the best things they have made in a while. Then they make it $140 with a separate $20 transfer sheet. Now we all know that the Dreamforge knight is gonna move like hotcakes now...

Congratulations GW you fueled your competition.

EDIT: it's roughly the size of the Stompa right? So why such a high price? The stench of extortion surrounds this thing.

Bronzefists42I think you botched yourself up again.... You can definitely get the Imperial Knight for $115 and it does includes a transfer, exactly what you asked for. I hope you can cancel your order for that Dreamforge knight in time.