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 BrookM wrote:
Could be that they were saving that for next weeks issue, but didn't bother mentioning it.

Ya maybe they were going to make it some kind of puzzle like the ones in a kinder egg. Gotta collect'm all to make the rules...

I think it goes to show, not releasing the rules with the model is mildly annoying when the model already has a codex it can go in to, but it's very WTF annoying when the model doesn't have any existing rules or codex or anything to suggest what you can and can't do with it.

As some sources say, GW is less about gaming and more about making "WOW!" models, so this might be their first big jump into that direction...

I wonder if they have a spiky bits sprue in the wings to make them compatable with Chaos. They came out with chaos rules for Baneblades, after all. This thought half way makes me want to hold off purchasing one until I know for sure, but then again, the imperial version looks plenty sweet.

Hopefully they fire together a free PDF for release day.

I think from what we've seen in the WD article that we can probably assume IG, Space Marines, Grey Knights & Sisters of Battle. Obviously it might open up to other armies, but just because the emphasis is on their allegiance with the IoM & Mechanicus then it might be jumping the gun slightly to assume any xenos or chaos options, perhaps even some of the Space Marine variants like DA, BA or SW.

 BrookM wrote:
As some sources say, GW is less about gaming and more about making money, so this might be their first big jump into that direction...

i agree completely

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

That doesn't actually answer the question. Yes, they're a single detachment. Are they 3 individual units, a squadron, or something else?

Unless you can find an answer to that in the rules published so far, there is no way to legally field those three knights without making up rules.

This should answer your question:

via Jes Bickham (who is the editor of White Dwarf) on GW Digital Facebook wrote:
Some clarification on the rules we presented in White Dwarf today for some folks here: the Imperial Knights don't occupy any force organisation slots, they are not Lords of War, they are an army unto themselves. Something we forgot to say is that all Imperial Knights are scoring units, and if you're playing 3-6 as a primary detachment, pick one as your Warlord.

Wait, they can't be scoring units can they? They're vehicles. If so, wow that's OP.

Or it could just be a realization that the rule that vehicles can't score or contest was absurd in the first place, especially since MC's can.

It doesn't matter if they post clarifications on facebook.. Perhaps they could do some proofreading or actually play their own game AT LEAST a single time before publishing new rules.

So we have no idea who they can ally with, what slot they take up, if they're scoring, how can you play them as a primary detachment, or really anything other than points + statistics.

Just pay the 140$ and be quiet citizen.

wufai wrote:
Guys check out the release video of the Imperial Knights from GW! Its one of the best GW produced videos I have ever seen!

I think this is what GW meant when they say 'forge the narrative'. Really got me excited to owe one of these knights




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 Bronzefists42 wrote:
GW botched this up again. I was ready to pay up to $115 dollars for this thing since it is one of the best things they have made in a while. Then they make it $140 with a separate $20 transfer sheet. Now we all know that the Dreamforge knight is gonna move like hotcakes now...

Congratulations GW you fueled your competition.

EDIT: it's roughly the size of the Stompa right? So why such a high price? The stench of extortion surrounds this thing.

Bronzefists42I think you botched yourself up again.... You can definitely get the Imperial Knight for $115 and it does includes a transfer, exactly what you asked for. I hope you can cancel your order for that Dreamforge knight in time.

Sorry that was fit of poorly thought out rage on my part. No this will definitely sell well and I will be getting one (gotta love dem heads) but I was infuriated that they sold the transfer sheet separately. Part of my anger was that I really wanted the model but I knew at that price I would have trouble getting one (I don't trust those discount sites...)

Also the Knight makes the DFG one look bland

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I think it goes to show, not releasing the rules with the model is mildly annoying when the model already has a codex it can go in to, but it's very WTF annoying when the model doesn't have any existing rules or codex or anything to suggest what you can and can't do with it.

As there's no model available yet to use in games (at least as far as GW is concerned) isn't it a bit previous to be complaining about a lack of full rules? As far as we know the rest of the rules in terms of allies and FOC were due to be included in the next Dwarf once the feckin' thing was actually available, and they only added that piece on FB due to the amount of badgering they got. (I haven't bothered to check out just how much tbh, but if this thread is anything to go by...)

wufai wrote:
Guys check out the release video of the Imperial Knights from GW! Its one of the best GW produced videos I have ever seen!

I think this is what GW meant when they say 'forge the narrative'. Really got me excited to owe one of these knights




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 Bronzefists42 wrote:
GW botched this up again. I was ready to pay up to $115 dollars for this thing since it is one of the best things they have made in a while. Then they make it $140 with a separate $20 transfer sheet. Now we all know that the Dreamforge knight is gonna move like hotcakes now...

Congratulations GW you fueled your competition.

EDIT: it's roughly the size of the Stompa right? So why such a high price? The stench of extortion surrounds this thing.

Bronzefists42I think you botched yourself up again.... You can definitely get the Imperial Knight for $115 and it does includes a transfer, exactly what you asked for. I hope you can cancel your order for that Dreamforge knight in time.

Where does it say you can get it for $115, because that's where I'll go to get mine.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

That doesn't actually answer the question. Yes, they're a single detachment. Are they 3 individual units, a squadron, or something else?

Unless you can find an answer to that in the rules published so far, there is no way to legally field those three knights without making up rules.

This should answer your question:

via Jes Bickham (who is the editor of White Dwarf) on GW Digital Facebook wrote:
Some clarification on the rules we presented in White Dwarf today for some folks here: the Imperial Knights don't occupy any force organisation slots, they are not Lords of War, they are an army unto themselves. Something we forgot to say is that all Imperial Knights are scoring units, and if you're playing 3-6 as a primary detachment, pick one as your Warlord.

Wait, they can't be scoring units can they? They're vehicles. If so, wow that's OP.

Or it could just be a realization that the rule that vehicles can't score or contest was absurd in the first place, especially since MC's can.

Making it so vehicles couldn't score was stupid I agree, but making it so vehicles can't score accept these fething superheavies is beyond stupid.

Relapse wrote:

wufai wrote:
Guys check out the release video of the Imperial Knights from GW! Its one of the best GW produced videos I have ever seen!

I think this is what GW meant when they say 'forge the narrative'. Really got me excited to owe one of these knights




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 Bronzefists42 wrote:
GW botched this up again. I was ready to pay up to $115 dollars for this thing since it is one of the best things they have made in a while. Then they make it $140 with a separate $20 transfer sheet. Now we all know that the Dreamforge knight is gonna move like hotcakes now...

Congratulations GW you fueled your competition.

EDIT: it's roughly the size of the Stompa right? So why such a high price? The stench of extortion surrounds this thing.

Bronzefists42I think you botched yourself up again.... You can definitely get the Imperial Knight for $115 and it does includes a transfer, exactly what you asked for. I hope you can cancel your order for that Dreamforge knight in time.

Where does it say you can get it for $115, because that's where I'll go to get mine.

I thought that too. I expected the price to be one $115. What sucks is I want to support my FLGS so I tend to avoid online sellers.

You can get it for $112 USD almost anywhere online. Most online retailers have a 20% discount on GW products. Try Miniature Market or the Warstore for starters.

Where does it say you can get it for $115, because that's where I'll go to get mine.

At $115, I'd consider building a force of 3-5 over the course of this year.

 Bronzefists42 wrote:

Relapse wrote:

wufai wrote:
Guys check out the release video of the Imperial Knights from GW! Its one of the best GW produced videos I have ever seen!

I think this is what GW meant when they say 'forge the narrative'. Really got me excited to owe one of these knights

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
GW botched this up again. I was ready to pay up to $115 dollars for this thing since it is one of the best things they have made in a while. Then they make it $140 with a separate $20 transfer sheet. Now we all know that the Dreamforge knight is gonna move like hotcakes now...

Congratulations GW you fueled your competition.

EDIT: it's roughly the size of the Stompa right? So why such a high price? The stench of extortion surrounds this thing.

Bronzefists42I think you botched yourself up again.... You can definitely get the Imperial Knight for $115 and it does includes a transfer, exactly what you asked for. I hope you can cancel your order for that Dreamforge knight in time.

Where does it say you can get it for $115, because that's where I'll go to get mine.

I thought that too. I expected the price to be one $115. What sucks is I want to support my FLGS so I tend to avoid online sellers.

$115 is the price you get it from an online discounter, including shipping.

 Todosi wrote:
You can get it for $112 USD almost anywhere online. Most online retailers have a 20% discount on GW products. Try Miniature Market or the Warstore for starters.

Where does it say you can get it for $115, because that's where I'll go to get mine.

Thanks for the info, I'll give 'er a look. Will the shipping eat up the savings, though? I shall see.


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Good information, at that price, I'm getting three to start.

Relapse wrote:

 Todosi wrote:
You can get it for $112 USD almost anywhere online. Most online retailers have a 20% discount on GW products. Try Miniature Market or the Warstore for starters.

Where does it say you can get it for $115, because that's where I'll go to get mine.

Thanks for the info, I'll give 'er a look. Will the shipping eat up the savings, though? I shall see.

Miniature Market has free shipping on orders over $99, so you won't be paying shipping on a Knight from them, and they have 20% off. Frontline Gaming does 25% for pre-orders on new releases and I think has $6 flat rate shipping, so that may be the cheapest price. I have used both companies and I have zero complaints. The Warstore is also a great. You really can't go wrong with any of those, but if you are looking to build over time Miniature Market is probably your best bet, as you also get points on purchases you can use to discount future orders.

HarryLeChien wrote:
As there's no model available yet to use in games (at least as far as GW is concerned) isn't it a bit previous to be complaining about a lack of full rules?

A bit 'previous' to complain that the article showcasing the rules for a new release model doesn't contain the rules for that model...?

Seriously?

As far as we know the rest of the rules in terms of allies and FOC were due to be included in the next Dwarf once the feckin' thing was actually available, and they only added that piece on FB due to the amount of badgering they got.

If that were the case, surely the Facebook response would have been 'The rest of the rules are coming next month!' rather than 'Yeah, we forgot to include that bit...'... No?

via Jes Bickham (who is the editor of White Dwarf) on GW Digital Facebook wrote:
Some clarification on the rules we presented in White Dwarf today for some folks here: the Imperial Knights don't occupy any force organisation slots, they are not Lords of War, they are an army unto themselves. Something we forgot to say is that all Imperial Knights are scoring units, and if you're playing 3-6 as a primary detachment, pick one as your Warlord.

So tervigons as scoring units had to be nerfed badly, but 6 scoring super heavies are totally okay and balanced?
40k is getting more and more: "Who has the most Godzillas, wins!"

 insaniak wrote:

As far as we know the rest of the rules in terms of allies and FOC were due to be included in the next Dwarf once the feckin' thing was actually available, and they only added that piece on FB due to the amount of badgering they got.

If that were the case, surely the Facebook response would have been 'The rest of the rules are coming next month!' rather than 'Yeah, we forgot to include that bit...'... No?

No. The WD has room for rules only, when they are released otherwise shortly. A.o. because the WD can't be bought a week after release, and even before that only in GW stores, at GW stockists and on the GW website. And not even GW would release a product whose only rules go OOP on the day of its official release.

Why noone admits it on facebook? Everone who leaks next weeks release is fired. That's why every staff is afraid to even hint at the Codex coming in one or two weeks.

I hope Knights as scoring only applies to their use as a primary detachment. I don't see any justification for them being scoring as an ally unit.

 Breotan wrote:
I hope Knights as scoring only applies to their use as a primary detachment. I don't see any justification for them being scoring as an ally unit.

They have the regain shareholder confidence USR.

I just gave in & put in my pre-order from Gaming Figures (http://gamingfigures.com/). Cost was £72.25 with free P&P if anyone's interested.

 bubber wrote:
I just gave in & put in my pre-order from Gaming Figures (http://gamingfigures.com/). Cost was £72.25 with free P&P if anyone's interested.

Element games is cheaper ;-)

I've used a few companies & these guys have always been great.
However thanks for posting after I've made my order!
Have you used them before? If so, what was your experience like?


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Just looked & they have it for £68 but you have to spend 80 to get free 1st class postage. couldn't find if they do free standard postage if you spend less though.

 Vaktathi wrote:

Or it could just be a realization that the rule that vehicles can't score or contest was absurd in the first place, especially since MC's can.

So the solution is to allow an army of nothing but heavily armored vehicles in which each and every model is scoring and immune to on average 80% of weapons in opposing squads? There was a reason why the old 3rd edition IG all Tank force allowed glances on 6s to pen regardless of the weapon str and it still was an unfun army to face that most people in my store refused to play after one game. I dont want to play apoc at 1500pts yet that seems to be the route GW keeps going. This IMO would have better been done as @ 0-2 choice that replaced allies only but I guess that wouldn't sell as many models.

I preordered from my local GW (for once, instead of ebay or someplace else), in roaring support of GW for this most amazing model!

It comes with instructions???? HERESY!

 insaniak wrote:

A bit 'previous' to complain that the article showcasing the rules for a new release model doesn't contain the rules for that model...?

Seriously?

Entirely serious. If we were having this conversation a week hence I could understand the complaints, but as it stands there's no (official) model to use those rules with anyway, so as far as GW's concerned, what's the rush? You used the word showcase to describe the WD content and if you accept the premise that these rules, as well as the background and painting articles, are just that, a showcase of an up-coming product designed to drum up interest, then I think it's entirely reasonable that the rules are incomplete. If they still are a week from now, complain away, as it is you're 'previous' by a week

As to why they said what they did on FB, who knows, could be any of several plausible reasons, and tbh it could be you have the right of it, but it could be I'm right instead and they just didnt (or as Kroot would have it, couldnt) mention it. All speculation atm; except for the fact the model aint out yet.

HarryLeChien wrote:
Entirely serious. If we were having this conversation a week hence I could understand the complaints, but as it stands there's no (official) model to use those rules with anyway, so as far as GW's concerned, what's the rush?

Of course there's an official model. It's the one shown in the same article as the rules.

It may not be available to the general public yet, but it still exists. That's the entire point of the article.

You used the word showcase to describe the WD content and if you accept the premise that these rules, as well as the background and painting articles, are just that, a showcase of an up-coming product designed to drum up interest, then I think it's entirely reasonable that the rules are incomplete. If they still are a week from now, complain away, as it is you're 'previous' by a week

So you seriously think that they had always intended to release a second article a week later just to say 'Pick one of your Knights as a Warlord, They don't take up a FOC, and can be taken as allies in these armies'...?

As to why they said what they did on FB, who knows, could be any of several plausible reasons, and tbh it could be you have the right of it, but it could be I'm right instead and they just didnt (or as Kroot would have it, couldnt) mention it. All speculation atm; except for the fact the model aint out yet.

There is no need to speculate. They already told us why there are rules missing from the article: They forgot to include them.