Imperial Knights - Codex Preview Video 03/03 - Gasp! Probably worth watching!

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**DJGietzen**

Just guess, but I think the companion guide will be a collection of things we normally would see in other prints. I will not be surprised if the companion is a collection of things like...

Warlords of the Dark Millennium

Altar of War

Index Astartes

How To Paint...

If you add up the cost if all of those things to create a Codex Dark Angels Companion and it would be in the $75 dollar range. So yeah, A lot of fluff and matbe a few new missions to run with knight in mind. Of course some of that stuff might be in the codex instead...

**H.B.M.C.**

DJGietzen wrote:
Just guess, but I think the companion guide will be a collection of things we normally would see in other prints. I will not be surprised if the companion is a collection of things like...
Warlords of the Dark Millennium
Altar of War
Index Astartes
How To Paint...

If you add up the cost if all of those things to create a Codex Dark Angels Companion and it would be in the $75 dollar range. So yeah, A lot of fluff and matbe a few new missions to run with knight in mind. Of course some of that stuff might be in the codex instead...

And why wouldn't you put those things in the Codex? Right now we have an entire full-priced Codex that has a single unit with 1 weapon option... and then a supplement for that book on the same day. What about this required two books?

**insaniak**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
And why wouldn't you put those things in the Codex? Right now we have an entire full-priced Codex that has a single unit with 1 weapon option... and then a supplement for that book on the same day. What about this required two books?

To be fair, it's a large unit...

**deleted20250424**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
And why wouldn't you put those things in the Codex? Right now we have an entire full-priced Codex that has a single unit with 1 weapon option... and then a supplement for that book on the same day. What about this required two books?

I'm thinking the same thing. The one Supplement I had to have was the Iyanden one. After I went through it detail by detail, I was OK with the fluff part but then somehow stunned the painted section was almost mini for mini a copy of the Codex.

I just can't come up with what they could possibly introduce in a Supplement for an Army that has..... 2 Units.

[Edit] I'll give them 2 Units, even though you are correct, it's more of an upgrade.

**Ctan_Overlord**

Someone posted a rough size comparison between the knight and a Wraithknight on Reddit.
Makes me much more hesitant to pay €110 for it...

**H.B.M.C.**

insaniak wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
And why wouldn't you put those things in the Codex? Right now we have an entire full-priced Codex that has a single unit with 1 weapon option... and then a supplement for that book on the same day. What about this required two books?

To be fair, it's a large unit...

No. Let's not be fair. Let's be exceptionally critical. It's a full-priced Codex for (as far as we know) a single unit with a single weapon option and then we have another more expensive 'companion' book for a snigle model. How "big" the unti is is meaningless.

There are many barriers in the natural world - the sound barrier, the speed of light. I propose that GW is close to achieving a new record: Breaking the price barrier, a barrier where you can release two books to cover a single model.

**Bronzefists42**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
insaniak wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
And why wouldn't you put those things in the Codex? Right now we have an entire full-priced Codex that has a single unit with 1 weapon option... and then a supplement for that book on the same day. What about this required two books?

To be fair, it's a large unit...

No. Let's not be fair. Let's be exceptionally critical. It's a full-priced Codex for (as far as we know) a single unit with a single weapon option and then we have another more expensive 'companion' book for a snigle model. How "big" the unti is is meaningless.

There are many barriers in the natural world - the sound barrier, the speed of light. I propose that GW is close to achieving a new record: Breaking the price barrier, a barrier where you can release two books to cover a single model.

I won't mind if the book is around 20$ and that it is packed with diagrams, pictures, original art and great lore on Knight houses and such.

But we all know it will be a citadel fine-HardbackTM with little fluff.

**H.B.M.C.**

According to that release list, it is a hardback book, and is over US$30 more than the actual Codex.

I remember way, way, way back in the day when GW released the first "Codex: Assassins", and a lot of us were amazed that GW could charge $15 for a 14 page book with 4 units in it. Now we have a US$40 hard-back book for a single unit.

**Azreal13**

Bronzefists42 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
insaniak wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
And why wouldn't you put those things in the Codex? Right now we have an entire full-priced Codex that has a single unit with 1 weapon option... and then a supplement for that book on the same day. What about this required two books?

To be fair, it's a large unit...

No. Let's not be fair. Let's be exceptionally critical. It's a full-priced Codex for (as far as we know) a single unit with a single weapon option and then we have another more expensive 'companion' book for a snigle model. How "big" the unti is is meaningless.

There are many barriers in the natural world - the sound barrier, the speed of light. I propose that GW is close to achieving a new record: Breaking the price barrier, a barrier where you can release two books to cover a single model.

I won't mind if the book is around 20$ and that it is packed with diagrams, pictures, original art and great lore on Knight houses and such.

But we all know it will be a citadel fine-HardbackTM with little fluff.

There's a leak about 2 pages back.

It ain't $20

**Medium of Death**

Ctan_Overlord wrote:
Someone posted a rough size comparison between the knight and a Wraithknight on Reddit.
Makes me much more hesitant to pay €110 for it...

*snip*

That doesn't even look remotely right.

**His Master's Voice**

Ctan_Overlord wrote:
Someone posted a rough size comparison between the knight and a Wraithknight on Reddit.
Makes me much more hesitant to pay €110 for it...

Well, that comparison is either way off, or I got sold two short changed Wraiths, because they don't look like they're nearly 9 inches tall to me.

**Bronzefists42**

azreal13 wrote:
Bronzefists42 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
insaniak wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
And why wouldn't you put those things in the Codex? Right now we have an entire full-priced Codex that has a single unit with 1 weapon option... and then a supplement for that book on the same day. What about this required two books?

To be fair, it's a large unit...

No. Let's not be fair. Let's be exceptionally critical. It's a full-priced Codex for (as far as we know) a single unit with a single weapon option and then we have another more expensive 'companion' book for a snigle model. How "big" the unti is is meaningless.

There are many barriers in the natural world - the sound barrier, the speed of light. I propose that GW is close to achieving a new record: Breaking the price barrier, a barrier where you can release two books to cover a single model.

I won't mind if the book is around 20$ and that it is packed with diagrams, pictures, original art and great lore on Knight houses and such.

But we all know it will be a citadel fine-HardbackTM with little fluff.

There's a leak about 2 pages back.

It ain't $20

...

I think I'm gonna cry now.

HOW DID GW BOTCH THIS UP SO BADLY?!

GW BOTCHED UP THE MOST NOSTALGIC 40K UNIT! THAT'S LIKE RUINING BEAKIES! IT TAKES EFFORT TO DO THAT!

**Azreal13**

GW have awesome idea.

Fans get excited, begin to believe that perhaps things are going to change

GW contrive to feth it up and piss all over excellent idea.

Fans wail, gnash teeth, continue to wait for change.

I love the model, I will obtain one to build and paint, I never expected to play it often, nothing has changed.

Protect yourself from the abuse, don't let yourself believe.

**Bronzefists42**

azreal13 wrote:
GW have awesome idea.

Fans get excited, begin to beeline that perhaps things are going to change

GW contrive to feth it up and piss all over excellent idea.

Fans wail, gnash teeth, continue to wait for change.

To be fair I can't help loving theses things. It's probably the first time I can remember since 2009 (when I started) when GW actually successfully nailed down the 40k tone.

**d-usa**

It will probably be something like this:

The Codex has all the information for the units, just like a regular codex. So you will be able to field your fancy Knight army in a game of Regular Warhammer 40K. You only need your copy of Escalation for the Super Heavy rules and D weapon rules!

Or you can just buy our Guidebook which has the Escalation rules required to actually play these units and which helps "guide" you into Apocalypse!

**Medium of Death**

If the Codex doesn't have the apocalypse/escalation rules that these use in them I'll be very annoyed.

**d-usa**

Medium of Death wrote:
If the Codex doesn't have the apocalypse/escalation rules that these use in them I'll be very annoyed.

Does every other Codex have rules that are already present in the regular 40K rulebooks?

**Medium of Death**

d-usa wrote:
Medium of Death wrote:
If the Codex doesn't have the apocalypse/escalation rules that these use in them I'll be very annoyed.

Does every other Codex have rules that are already present in the regular 40K rulebooks?

Nooooooo!

I was thinking that when I typed it, yet I'm hoping that GW won't dick me over and make me buy two more books to use the models I really want to buy. Hope is a cruel mistress.

**d-usa**

I think it would be a stupid move.

But I also think we are talking GW here...

**H.B.M.C.**

Medium of Death wrote:
I was thinking that when I typed it, yet I'm hoping that GW won't dick me over and make me buy two more books to use the models I really want to buy.

Remember what Az just said: Don't let yourself believe.

**Crimson**

I just realised that these things can instakill the Wraithkight with their stomp attacks. I really cannot visualise how that could occur...

**deleted20250424**

Crimson wrote:
I just realised that these things can instakill the Wraithkight with their stomp attacks. I really cannot visualise how that could occur...

It's like being bull rushed by a fat midget.

**Azreal13**

Crimson wrote:
I just realised that these things can instakill the Wraithkight with their stomp attacks. I really cannot visualise how that could occur...

Well, not all mechanical, bi pedal constructs keep their genitalia in the same location.

**Kanluwen**

Here's the Imperial Knight FAQ apparently...

Q: What slot do the Knight Titans take up in the Force Org?
A: Knight Titans do not take up any slot in the Force Org.

Q: Are Knight Titans Lords of War, and fall under the rules for Lords of War for Escalation and Apocalypse?
A: They are not Lords of War, but do use the Superheavy Walker Special Rules.

Q: What Army do they belong to, and who can they Ally with?
A: They are affiliated with either the Imperium or the Adeptus Mechanicus. Some Imperial Knights choose to forsake all ties to a noble house. Known as Freeblades, they are masters of their own destiny and can ally with anyone they choose.

Q: Are they Scoring units?
A: Yes, all Imperial Knights are scoring units

Q: How many Knight Titans do I need to field a Primary Detatchment, and how many for an Allied Detatchment?
A: If you are playing as a Primary detatchment then 3-6 and pick one as your warlord, if they are an ally you may have 1-3.

Q: "As a Freeblade, what kind of Ally are they to other armies?"
A: Currently we are not sure, until more information arrives it would be safe to assume they are Allies of Convenience.

Q: "Can they be used in Pre Heresy Armies?"
A: Yes as both Primary and Allied detatchments, as stated before, many Knight Houses pleged oaths of loyalty to the Imperium, Adeptus Mechanicus, or have become Freeblades.

**shade1313**

Ctan_Overlord wrote:
Someone posted a rough size comparison between the knight and a Wraithknight on Reddit.
Makes me much more hesitant to pay €110 for it...

*sigh* And, somehow, the Imperial Knight is a Super-Heavy, while the Wraithknight is a Monstrous Creature rather than a Gargantuan Creature.

Consistency, they doesn't have it.

Edit: Okay, I admit to not having built my own WK yet, so I don't know how badly the size is off.

The above grumbles still have validity, though.

**Medium of Death**

Medium of Death wrote:
I was thinking that when I typed it, yet I'm hoping that GW won't dick me over and make me buy two more books to use the models I really want to buy.

d-usa wrote:I think it would be a stupid move.

But I also think we are talking GW here...

H.B.M.C. wrote:Remember what Az just said: Don't let yourself believe.

GW can almost inspire those old 40k thought for the day like quotes. "Hope begets disappointment", "Clarity is the path to Heresy", "Suffer not the customer to enjoy"

Crimson wrote:I just realised that these things can instakill the Wraithkight with their stomp attacks. I really cannot visualise how that could occur...

I could see a Knight smashing a Wraithknight to the ground with it's weight. It would need to catch it first obviously.

**Azreal13**

Kanluwen wrote:
Here's the Imperial Knight FAQ apparently...

Q: "As a Freeblade, what kind of Ally are they to other armies?"
A: Currently we are not sure, until more information arrives it would be safe to assume they are Allies of Convenience.

Only GW could answer a question about their own product with "we're not sure..."

Why not wait to release this until the day people can actually get hold of the model, which will allow you to have announced the full Codex, then you can just either not answer it, or simply say there's a matrix in the book?

Christ, unless there isn't.

**ace101**

Kanluwen wrote:
Here's the Imperial Knight FAQ apparently...

Q: What slot do the Knight Titans take up in the Force Org?
A: Knight Titans do not take up any slot in the Force Org.

Q: Are Knight Titans Lords of War, and fall under the rules for Lords of War for Escalation and Apocalypse?
A: They are not Lords of War, but do use the Superheavy Walker Special Rules.

Q: What Army do they belong to, and who can they Ally with?
A: They are affiliated with either the Imperium or the Adeptus Mechanicus. Some Imperial Knights choose to forsake all ties to a noble house. Known as Freeblades, they are masters of their own destiny and can ally with anyone they choose.

Q: Are they Scoring units?
A: Yes, all Imperial Knights are scoring units

Q: How many Knight Titans do I need to field a Primary Detatchment, and how many for an Allied Detatchment?
A: If you are playing as a Primary detatchment then 3-6 and pick one as your warlord, if they are an ally you may have 1-3.

Q: "As a Freeblade, what kind of Ally are they to other armies?"
A: Currently we are not sure, until more information arrives it would be safe to assume they are Allies of Convenience.

Q: "Can they be used in Pre Heresy Armies?"
A: Yes as both Primary and Allied detatchments, as stated before, many Knight Houses pleged oaths of loyalty to the Imperium, Adeptus Mechanicus, or have become Freeblades.

Sounds like Chaos might be in luck, Chaos Freeblades anyone?

Edit: Damn Ninjas

**Starfarer**

Crimson wrote:
I just realised that these things can instakill the Wraithkight with their stomp attacks. I really cannot visualise how that could occur...

I imagine it would go something like this:

**Kanluwen**

azreal13 wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Here's the Imperial Knight FAQ apparently...

Q: "As a Freeblade, what kind of Ally are they to other armies?"
A: Currently we are not sure, until more information arrives it would be safe to assume they are Allies of Convenience.

Only GW could answer a question about their own product with "we're not sure..."

Why not wait to release this until the day people can actually get hold of the model, which will allow you to have announced the full Codex, then you can just either not answer it, or simply say there's a matrix in the book?

Christ, unless there isn't.

They probably know exactly what there is--but can't say.

I agree it's dumb, but eh.