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 Kanluwen wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Here's the Imperial Knight FAQ apparently...

Q: "As a Freeblade, what kind of Ally are they to other armies?"
A: Currently we are not sure, until more information arrives it would be safe to assume they are Allies of Convenience.

Only GW could answer a question about their own product with "we're not sure..."

Why not wait to release this until the day people can actually get hold of the model, which will allow you to have announced the full Codex, then you can just either not answer it, or simply say there's a matrix in the book?

Christ, unless there isn't.

They probably know exactly what there is--but can't say.

I agree it's dumb, but eh.

Exactly, it is blatantly dumb, the reasons for it's dumbitude are yet to reveal themselves.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Here's the Imperial Knight FAQ apparently...

Q: "As a Freeblade, what kind of Ally are they to other armies?"
A: Currently we are not sure, until more information arrives it would be safe to assume they are Allies of Convenience.

Only GW could answer a question about their own product with "we're not sure..."

Why not wait to release this until the day people can actually get hold of the model, which will allow you to have announced the full Codex, then you can just either not answer it, or simply say there's a matrix in the book?

Christ, unless there isn't.

It inspires confidence in the product, doesn't it? At least this means I won't be giving GW any of my money this month.

*Sees HBMC posting like he's possessed by me.*'


*looks at minis and Prices.*



*Rolls wallet leadership to BFI.*

 xole wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Here's the Imperial Knight FAQ apparently...

Q: "As a Freeblade, what kind of Ally are they to other armies?"
A: Currently we are not sure, until more information arrives it would be safe to assume they are Allies of Convenience.

Only GW could answer a question about their own product with "we're not sure..."

Why not wait to release this until the day people can actually get hold of the model, which will allow you to have announced the full Codex, then you can just either not answer it, or simply say there's a matrix in the book?

Christ, unless there isn't.

It inspires confidence in the product, doesn't it? At least this means I won't be giving GW any of my money this month.

I would say that they are not entirely informing us, so as to build suspense. They would have to be in the know about a unit of their creation, which is only a week away from official release. People actually hate GW enough to actually give this notion any credence?

 ace101 wrote:
I would say that they are not entirely informing us, so as to build suspense. They would have to be in the know about a unit of their creation, which is only a week away from official release. People actually hate GW enough to actually give this notion any credence?

I wouldn't say hate. I'd go with "give GW exactly enough credence in the rules-writing department for them to have forgotten an Allies matrix."

So a 370pt scoring Super Heavy Walker that doesn't take up a FOC slot and can ally with any army.


Nope, nothing game breaking here, move along folks.

Yeah, but...the model is so pretty! And it's about the most 40K thing EVER.

Sorry, but 14 year old Da Boss would have been saving his pocket money from now until his sixteenth birthday for this thing!

29 year old Da Boss has to spend money on sensible things or Tre Manor kickstarters, or he would be plotting an army to go along with that beauty.

That actually might be pretty accurate based on other comparison pics.
A Riptide is basically waist height on a Wraithknight?

Well then, that begs the question. How difficult will it be to stretch those legs 1.5". It certainly looks bulky enough, but far too short. At 8" I planned to purchase one. At 6" for $140.... I'll get two more DF Levi's instead.

 Starfarer wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I just realised that these things can instakill the Wraithkight with their stomp attacks. I really cannot visualise how that could occur...

I imagine it would go something like this:

That made my day, though I now have to clean and mist of tea off my monitor

Q: How does this work?
A: We aren't sure.

Oh good God GW, just answer the fething question!

And I love how they can ally with any army. It's like they answered that question without thinking it through at all. So let me ask, how often do Freeblades find themselves allied with the Great Devourer? Does the Hive Mind pay well? Good benefits for helping to erradicate entire worlds?

On the bright side, now 'Nids can get three super-heavy scoring units that take up no slots. Awesome!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Q: How does this work?
A: We aren't sure.

Oh good God GW, just answer the fething question!

And I love how they can ally with any army. It's like they answered that question without thinking it through at all. So let me ask, how often do Freeblades find themselves allied with the Great Devourer? Does the Hive Mind pay well? Good benefits for helping to erradicate entire worlds?

On the bright side, now 'Nids can get three super-heavy scoring units that take up no slots. Awesome!

While you're figuring that out, see if you can crack whether Freeblades somehow get a contract signed in the Warp before a daemonic incursion, or if they just weigh in mid-battle and hope they get paid.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No. Let's not be fair. Let's be exceptionally critical. It's a full-priced Codex for (as far as we know) a single unit with a single weapon option and then we have another more expensive 'companion' book for a snigle model. How "big" the unti is is meaningless.

There are many barriers in the natural world - the sound barrier, the speed of light. I propose that GW is close to achieving a new record: Breaking the price barrier, a barrier where you can release two books to cover a single model.

The chip on your shoulder barrier? or the have an axe to grind barrier? You have ZERO idea what the releases are ZERO!

bodazoka wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No. Let's not be fair. Let's be exceptionally critical. It's a full-priced Codex for (as far as we know) a single unit with a single weapon option and then we have another more expensive 'companion' book for a snigle model. How "big" the unti is is meaningless.

There are many barriers in the natural world - the sound barrier, the speed of light. I propose that GW is close to achieving a new record: Breaking the price barrier, a barrier where you can release two books to cover a single model.

The chip on your shoulder barrier? or the have an axe to grind barrier? You have ZERO idea what the releases are ZERO!

Oooh, you came in swinging didn't you?

Crimson wrote:I just realised that these things can instakill the Wraithkight with their stomp attacks. I really cannot visualise how that could occur...

I could see a Knight smashing a Wraithknight to the ground with it's weight. It would need to catch it first obviously.

I believe a super heavy walker moves 12" right? Should not be an issue catching it (c:
Looks like my DE might become viable again hehehe

That picture was posted before by d-usa. The riptide is on a raised base and is nowhere near as wide.

Knights allying with any force outside of the Imperium is just a tad stupid in my book, but then again the allies matrix.

What exactly is all the hubbub about not taking a FOC? It's a force by itself- primary or as an ally. A FOC is irrelevant.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Q: How does this work?
A: We aren't sure.

Oh good God GW, just answer the fething question!

First GW dont make FAQs and when the did they were poorly worded. Now they include FAQs before release saying they don't know. Its an improvement I think.

 azreal13 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

And I love how they can ally with any army. It's like they answered that question without thinking it through at all. So let me ask, how often do Freeblades find themselves allied with the Great Devourer? Does the Hive Mind pay well? Good benefits for helping to erradicate entire worlds?

On the bright side, now 'Nids can get three super-heavy scoring units that take up no slots. Awesome!

While you're figuring that out, see if you can crack whether Freeblades somehow get a contract signed in the Warp before a daemonic incursion, or if they just weigh in mid-battle and hope they get paid.

The no allies rule for nids probably trumps any other considerations for nids.

CVhaos is easier, just Chaos up some Traitor knights, fairly straight forward really.

I'm now convinced more than ever that GW have abandoned all sense of logic and simply have no idea what they're doing when it comes to writing rules. The detachments should have been a warning, but I wrote them off as extravagances of enthusiasm, a desire to see how far they could push the 'Day 1 DLC' mentality that infests the electronic gaming industry. But no, they were the first real cracks in the facade, the facade that led us to believe that they even give a damn about how this game plays.

Yes, that sounds dramatic, but I've had enough. A whole God-damned full-price Codex for one fething model? One model?

Nope.

Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.

I can't stomach it any more.

 azreal13 wrote:
Oooh, you came in swinging didn't you?

Normally I'd reply, but I'm outsourcing the rebuttal to the chip on my shoulder.

Hopefully they have additional units to take. Like units that behave like force multipliers. Or something to man those AA guns that they need.

 Orlanth wrote:

While you're figuring that out, see if you can crack whether Freeblades somehow get a contract signed in the Warp before a daemonic incursion, or if they just weigh in mid-battle and hope they get paid.

The no allies rule for nids probably trumps any other considerations for nids.

CVhaos is easier, just Chaos up some Traitor knights, fairly straight forward really.

So they won't bother doing an FAQ after they've got your money but they will beforehand? WTF?

I understand the enthusiasm for the model, it's really cool, but there's a sick masochism in DEFENDING having to pay 40$ for a codex and possibly 50$ for esecalation on top of 140$ to run ONE MODEL. I mean this is just kinda sick. It makes me feel physically ill.

I for one welcome our new Knight overlords.

If you want one as a Necron Knight, convert it to look like some kind of monstrous Necron creation. Give it mechanical tentacles and glowing bits! That would be worth it to play against.
Technically speaking, they just said the knights could ally with anyone, but if its Nids, then for the love of all things grimdark, please convert some giant monster. This is an excellent chance to use that ole' imagination of ours.
Here you go. Something along these lines.
(Destroyah from Godzilla.)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Normally I'd reply, but I'm outsourcing the rebuttal to the chip on my shoulder.

If you had any actual information regarding the codex or the other releases and it was as you say I will be the first to apologize to you and join your band wagon of GW hate.

Right now after 5 or so pages of your whining it just seems a little pathetic... and yes it got to me...

wowzers.. pricey new book for pricey new models...

bodazoka wrote:
You have ZERO idea what the releases are ZERO!

Yeah, see.. that's the entire problem.

GW decided, for whatever reason, to release the rules after the model. So with their ridiculous need for secrecy until the precise moment of release, that leaves everyone speculating based on what information we have been given.

And given that the information that we have been given has included a mention of only a single model, a website entry that included in incorrect height, and a White Dwarf articule in which they forgot to include key rules... is it really a big surprise that people might be a little pessimistic about this release?


If GW had been hyping this since the model was unveiled, and had told us that a codex was coming that included a whole bunch of options and gear that the Knight could take, and auxilliary units, and a recipe for a nice relaxing Chai Tea brought back from India by Jervis's Great-great-great Grandfather, then peope might have something to be all excited about it.

Instead, we have a model that, while admittedly awesome, has two variants that are just a single weapon swap... and this for some inexplicable reason is enough for an expensive hardcover codex and an even more expensive 'companion' book. We simply haven't been given enough information to assume anything but the worst on this.

at least at these price points, these will be a rare sight in games!

 insaniak wrote:


Instead, we have a model that, while admittedly awesome, has two variants that are just a single weapon swap... and this for some inexplicable reason is enough for an expensive hardcover codex and an even more expensive 'companion' book. We simply haven't been given enough information to assume anything but the worst on this.

Exactly, does it look good that GW is putting out faq's on a facebook page for a model that isn't even out yet and one of the answer is essentially "who knows?". That doesn't bode well for the direction things are going, it's further evidence that there's no plan and little leadership on the studio side of things. I have this dark feeling that they let everyone go and it's now jervis and a bunch of interns on damage control.


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 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
at least at these price points, these will be a rare sight in games!

If that's the silver lining in all of this I'll be happy.

Eh, $40 for 'minor' codex seems about in-line with the current pricing... Sisters and Inquisition were $33 for digital. I'm just glad that they (probably) won't be stringing along a series of WDs with rules, and then put out a codex containing the same stuff plus, say, one extra page you need to play the current rules. That'd grind my gears.

It makes you wonder exactly what the rules writers and web team get up to during the day if they've bungled this release so badly.

At least Jes Goodwin is still doing something right. I don't understand why they haven't released a hardback art book of his beautiful sketches recently.