Imperial Knights - Codex Preview Video 03/03 - Gasp! Probably worth watching!

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**aka_mythos**

In general, if not having FOC blows your mind pretend they're troops.

If GW is making an actual book, this could always change, but a two unit to choose from codex strikes me as a quick read and lacking. I had some guesses about their approach, but it seems rather lazy if there isn't more to it all.

I didn't think they'd make them scoring and just thought what ever requisite scoring unit they would have would be quite squishy.

I can only believe FW will do some conversion kits for the knights, but with the things shaping up the way they are I can't really imagine how those will fit in without those new units being given rules to limit their numbers. How quickly will we see armies of just crusader and castellan variants were they made without such restriction... I'm just picturing strength D cannons

**BaronIveagh**

bodazoka wrote:

The chip on your shoulder barrier? or the have an axe to grind barrier?

I find this one rather hilarious. You DO know that the guy you're accusing of being a 40k hater writes for FFG's line of 40k role play games, right?

**shade1313**

bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
at least at these price points, these will be a rare sight in games!

Someone at my local shop preordered five of them. That's five of the 14 that are preordered through this one shop, overall.

**d-usa**

aka_mythos wrote:
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If GW is making an actual book, this could always change, but a two unit to choose from codex, strikes me as a quick read and lacking. I had some guesses about their approach, but it seems rather lazy if there isn't more to it all.

If we take a simple look at the current fluff for Knight Households then we can easily expect that a lot of the units in the Codex are already being sold.

The Knight Households are pretty far from just being Knights. Via Lexicanum:

In addition to the Knight war machines, every House had multiple men-at-arms in its employ, resembling Planetary Defence Forces, although possessing a much smaller amount of heavy equipment. On several worlds, artificers and technicians became the most important subjects of the warrior nobility. They maintained the Knight walkers, and over time styled themselves as a priesthood for the half-forgotten mysteries of technology called the Sacristans.

So a Knight Codex could very easily be more than just "two different Knights" if they are planing on using existing Imperial Guard units as men-at-arms forces.

Which would also explain why they are selling a separate sheet of transfers. To put on your "Imperial Guard" units to show that they are part of the Knight Household.

Maybe there also a possibility of having some dual-use units in the future IG release as well.

**aka_mythos**

That's pretty much what I had guessed. Makes a lot of sense which is why I'm nervous GW won't do it. The problem is that for the moment there are no squishy requisite units to balance out these Knights in this particular way.

**Alpharius**

"Tech Guard" (IG) and various support vehicles (Chimeras) and tanks could easily be in there, and help flesh out the Codex.

Maybe.

**deleted20250424**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

I am curious as to how GW will even come close to stabilizing the game now, it feels like it's jumped the shark since escalation and I don't know how they will get the rabbit back in the box, short of some truly draconian cut to superheavies and such in the next edition to render them all near useless again and put people off taking them... I just don't see anything like a thoughtful or strategic game coming of all these recent shifts, but a sort of putting everything on the table and making 'pew pew' noises.

I am having some difficulty justifying this path to myself as a gamer and someone who maintains that what I do is 'mature, strategic, requires intellect, is competitive etc' when it now just looks like total chaos on the table. What is the point of a FOC? What is the reasoning behind troops scoring when elites can't but a superheavy walker can? Why on earth did someone think that introducing D weaponry to the standard game was going to work or be enjoyable to play?

It all feels adrift atm, I am wondering where we will shore up. I can only think at this time that the release of a streamlined and more 'sensible' game system within 40k, perhaps as a supplement for use in tourneys and such, is the way to bring some clarity back to the game, I really have never seen anything like this in my 27 years using games workshop's systems.

It leaves me deeply concerned over the future of the game, it feels like wild threshing about and desperation.

Couple your thoughts with the supposed rumor of a 7th edition coming in a few months. If GW does hack and slash Super Heavies from the main ruleset, the backlash would be insane from people dropping $140+ just a few months prior.

I agree with your line of thinking that a good way to squeeze more blood from the stone would be the addition of yet another set of rules that have been stripped down for more "serious" play. Then everyone gets what they want, including GW. Narrative players get big stompy toys that run amok destroying swaths of units, Tourney type players get streamlined competitive rules, and GW gets a dumptruck of cash selling two sets of rules for the same game.

**insaniak**

d-usa wrote:
Well, we know that there are Ad-Mech aligned houses based on the decals. So "Ad-Mech lists" could simply be Knights with some sort of "chapter traits" based on their allegiance to the AM. It wouldn't mean that the rumor was false, it would just be disappointing...

Going by the apparent lack of customisation on the kit, it could also be as simple as 'Knights from these houses are alligned with the AM' without it actually having any rules associated with it at all.

If they were actually doing separate rules for the different facvtions, I would have expected some different weapon or gear options on the sprues to differentiate the different factions. The fact that they're all the same Knight with different stickers makes rules unlikely.

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Sinful Hero wrote:
Again, I still don't understand why it not using the FOC is such a huge problem- it's 3-6 knights as a primary detachment, 1-3 as allies. There is no need for a FOC. Unless you're doing some crazy stuff like picking and choosing what units you're going to field regardless of the codex or allies, it's irrelevant.

The lack of FOC isn't the problem. It's the fact that they are scoring that people have an issue with.

**H.B.M.C.**

aka_mythos wrote:
If GW is making an actual book, this could always change, but a two unit to choose from codex strikes me as a quick read and lacking. I had some guesses about their approach, but it seems rather lazy if there isn't more to it all.

I think there will be more, but still, a Codex for a single unit is pretty pathetic.

**aka_mythos**

But it is GW...

Alpharius wrote:
"Tech Guard" (IG) and various support vehicles (Chimeras) and tanks could easily be in there, and help flesh out the Codex.

Maybe.

GW can just as easily be of the mindset: "if that's the sort of army you want Allies!"

Knights for the moment seem like GW trying to both sell an army and supplement in one. We've never had any other codex sold on the merits of allying with it. If this is a complete army in the way it'd be justified by existing fluff... It'd be something like the IG but stripped of all those unique units in exchange for knights.

**bodazoka**

BaronIveagh wrote:
bodazoka wrote:

The chip on your shoulder barrier? or the have an axe to grind barrier?

I find this one rather hilarious. You DO know that the guy you're accusing of being a 40k hater writes for FFG's line of 40k role play games, right?

I apologize for insinuating he is a hater, I will re define my comment to he is an incessant winger. *

* At least on this thread, and at least when it comes to this release!

**insaniak**

bodazoka wrote:
I apologize for insinuating he is a hater, I will re define my comment to he is an incessant winger. *

He plays football constantly...?

You know what's great for not starting pointless flame-wars? Not dismissing people's opinions as 'whinging'. I would strongly recommend you give it a go. You're entitled to disagree with an opposing opinion on a given topic... but belittling that opinion (such as labelling negative opinions as 'whinging' or equally by just dismissing positive opinions as 'White Knighting'), does nothing positive for a discussion.

**Zande4**

Atleast they were nice enough to make 5 of them equal 1850 exactly.

**Lobokai**

please, some one figure out a 15mm DF Levitation to Knight comparison.

**insaniak**

Lobukia wrote:
please, some one figure out a 15mm DF Levitation to Knight comparison.

Wasn;' that already covered?

The 15mm Levi is 4.5". The Knight is 6".

**aka_mythos**

insaniak wrote:
Lobukia wrote:
please, some one figure out a 15mm DF Levitation to Knight comparison.

Wasn;' that already covered?

The 15mm Levi is 4.5". The Knight is 6".

There was also a limited run of 15mm resin leviathans that were 5.5" tall. They look the same just that extra inch taller.

**timd**

Lobukia wrote:
please, some one figure out a 15mm DF Levitation to Knight comparison.

Not quite what you are looking for, but it will give you some idea.
Left to right: 6.5" Armorcast Towering Destroyer Knight, DreamForge 5.5" resin Crusader, 'Nid Trygon.
DF plastic 15mm Crusader will be about 3/4" shorter than the resin version.

**Vash108**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
aka_mythos wrote:
If GW is making an actual book, this could always change, but a two unit to choose from codex strikes me as a quick read and lacking. I had some guesses about their approach, but it seems rather lazy if there isn't more to it all.

I think there will be more, but still, a Codex for a single unit is pretty pathetic.

Don't forget the price tag for just that one units Codex.

**Padre**

bodazoka wrote:
BaronIveagh wrote:
bodazoka wrote:

The chip on your shoulder barrier? or the have an axe to grind barrier?

I find this one rather hilarious. You DO know that the guy you're accusing of being a 40k hater writes for FFG's line of 40k role play games, right?

I apologize for insinuating he is a hater, I will re define my comment to he is an incessant winger. *

* At least on this thread, and at least when it comes to this release!

H's comments, insights and opinions have added far more than yours have in the last 70-odd pages.

If having an opinion, justifying that opinion, and sticking to that opinion is "whinging", well, good on him.

RE your comments, your credibility was shot the moment you started calling him a "40k"-hater...with no clue what you're really going on about.

**bodazoka**

To the 3 people who decided to quote me. I'm sorry I insulted your mate...

**insaniak**

bodazoka wrote:
To the 3 people who decided to quote me. I'm sorry I insulted your mate...

Bwahahaha... HBMC just choked on whatever he's drinking at the suggestion that he and I are mates...

It wouldn't have mattered who you were insulting, your comments were inappropriate. Please refer to Dakka's rules (you can find a link at the bottom of the page) and pay particular attention to #1.

Now, Imperial Knights, eh?

**Kavik_Whitescar**

Knights! They look cool, and in light of a good sale or two I will be buying two of em and modeling them as wolfy as I can.

**NoseGoblin**

Lobukia wrote:
please, some one figure out a 15mm DF Levitation to Knight comparison.

15mm scale Crusader 115mm in relaxed pose 120mm in more upright pose 5mm thick 80mm round base total height without building up the base with an upright pose....... 125mm tall (on base)

GW knight 150mm? who knows... they cant keep it straight.

**Breotan**

Hold on a sec... Is that a gun coming out of it's ear?

O.o

timd wrote:
Left to right: 6.5" Armorcast Towering Destroyer Knight

Spoiler:

**johnbearross**

NoseGoblin wrote:
Lobukia wrote:
please, some one figure out a 15mm DF Levitation to Knight comparison.

15mm scale Crusader 115mm in relaxed pose 120mm in more upright pose 5mm thick 80mm round base total height without building up the base with an upright pose....... 125mm tall (on base)

GW knight 150mm? who knows... they cant keep it straight.

The GW staffer that bumbled the first 8" measurement is probably not having the best of times right now.

I hope he doesn't use that same measuring process when trying to court the ladies. He's bound to disappoint a few.

Best,
JBR

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Breotan wrote:
Hold on a sec... Is that a gun coming out of it's ear?

O.o

timd wrote:
Left to right: 6.5" Armorcast Towering Destroyer Knight

Spoiler:

The Epic Eldar Knights were quirky. What worked in Epic scale didn't always translate well into 28mm.

Best,
JBR

**alphaecho**

Padre wrote:
In the OP, this was mentioned, along with a slew of other weapons options...

"Optional quad-missile array"

Just looking at the model, there is a hole / recess at the very top of the carapace which would be perfect for mounting a launcher for the above-mentioned missiles, ala the original "Knight Warden".

Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not...

(edited for spelling.)

It could be that is where the 8 inch slip came from, although that would make it a big launcher!

**MWHistorian**

johnbearross wrote:
NoseGoblin wrote:
Lobukia wrote:
please, some one figure out a 15mm DF Levitation to Knight comparison.

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Breotan wrote:
Hold on a sec... Is that a gun coming out of it's ear?

O.o

timd wrote:
Left to right: 6.5" Armorcast Towering Destroyer Knight

Spoiler:

The Epic Eldar Knights were quirky. What worked in Epic scale didn't always translate well into 28mm.

Spoiler:

Best,
JBR

I think "quirky" might be too polite.

**notprop**

The poses we have seen this far have been legs akimbo (iconic 40k Titan and not-Titan pose), assuming a bit of variance increasing the height would seem possible. Whack a missile pod on top and you might have 8".

**marv335**

aka_mythos wrote:
We've never had any other codex sold on the merits of allying with it.

Yes we have, Codex: Assassins.

**Padre**

alphaecho wrote:
Padre wrote:
In the OP, this was mentioned, along with a slew of other weapons options...

"Optional quad-missile array"

Just looking at the model, there is a hole / recess at the very top of the carapace which would be perfect for mounting a launcher for the above-mentioned missiles, ala the original "Knight Warden".

Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not...

(edited for spelling.)

It could be that is where the 8 inch slip came from, although that would make it a big launcher!

Timd pointed out that it's also a perfect mounting point for banners etc.

Maybe the 8 inch slip was a genuine mistake after all?