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2014/03/03 18:54:10
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
At least the "collector's edition" has some prints and isn't just a dust jacket/cover like previous codex "collector's editions". It's not much but it is still an improvement.
2014/03/03 19:17:41
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
krazynadechukr wrote: Since no one was getting photo of 15mm DF model next to IK model, I had to use a poor copy paste program...
measuring from front of base makes no sense... look at your two pics, they first and the second aren't even close to lining up
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2014/03/03 19:22:29
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
Padre wrote: Has anyone got any news / rumours / developments to do with the Imperial Knights?
Please?
How about this:
The Hobby Store "Imaginary Wars" in USA posted this pic on facebook to prove the supply issues for Imperial Knights, showing the white stand-in boxes:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Imaginary-Wars/222813564466043 In Europe, the Imperial Knight sold out the first week, but more arrive this week.
That's my local in Calgary, CANADA. You need to fire your fact checking intern Kroot.
2014/03/03 19:25:47
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
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2014/03/03 19:34:17
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
I never knew there was such as thing as "masses of information".
Looks like it includes the super-heavy walker rules so you don't need to run out and buy another rulebook just to use the one model in this rulebook.
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2014/03/03 19:34:18
Subject: Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
Having seen this picture, and the sizes for all the giant stuff, I find myself wondering why the Knight has been priced more than the humble Ork Stompa? Is it because of all the "fancy schmancy" additions and bits and stuff?
Cynicism aside, I am quite curious to see one of these things on the table, at least once.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Well GW were mostly responsible for the Berlin Wall, so it's natural for some people to harbour resentment towards them.
Agreed, I actually enjoyed the preview. I won't be buying the fancy version, mind you. But much nicer than most other previews they have put out.
Also - what's a freeblade? New thing or were they mentioned before. I don't recall them in Epic.
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I might be persuaded to buy the novel, as its a story.
But a codex, for two models, I can't get my head around justifying that one.
Dr. Temujin wrote: Having seen this picture, and the sizes for all the giant stuff, I find myself wondering why the Knight has been priced more than the humble Ork Stompa? Is it because of all the "fancy schmancy" additions and bits and stuff?
Cynicism aside, I am quite curious to see one of these things on the table, at least once.
Knights are extra price because they have all these cool, chapters, I mean houses and stuff. Ork Stompas are just orks in a stompa, it's not like they have any history or clans or stuff.
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Jeez, a 40k book where the focus isn't infantry? Sign me up!
Seriously, I must have read about 20-30 BL books and the only one I distinctly remember as being centric around vehicular combat was Gun heads by Steve Parker, featuring Leman Russ combat no less.
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Orlanth wrote: I might be persuaded to buy the novel, as its a story.
But a codex, for two models, I can't get my head around justifying that one.
Dr. Temujin wrote: Having seen this picture, and the sizes for all the giant stuff, I find myself wondering why the Knight has been priced more than the humble Ork Stompa? Is it because of all the "fancy schmancy" additions and bits and stuff?
Cynicism aside, I am quite curious to see one of these things on the table, at least once.
Knights are extra price because they have all these cool, chapters, I mean houses and stuff. Ork Stompas are just orks in a stompa, it's not like they have any history or clans or stuff.
I think we've established that GW are raising prices on a release by release basis rather than across the board. Hence the box art change + minor increase on the rumored chaos releases.
Expect to see a jump when Ork Stompa: Action Safari Edition is released.
Compel wrote: You've forgotten a little book called... Titanicus.
It's not about infantry...
Or ravenwing and the white scar book as they focused more on cavalry... or the two HH books that focused on void ship warfare... or Baneblade which I'll leave up to your imagination what it deals with. Those are just the ones off the top of my head and I haven't kept very current with the BL offerings since they switched to a more greedy release format. While non-infantry books are definitely in the minority, there are a few to choose from. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a Knight Titan book coming up to go along with the release of the plastic kit and rules.
warboss wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if they had a Knight Titan book coming up to go along with the release of the plastic kit and rules.
Funny enough, they do (who would've thought).
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Compel wrote: You've forgotten a little book called... Titanicus.
It's not about infantry...
Or ravenwing and the white scar book as they focused more on cavalry... or the two HH books that focused on void ship warfare... or Baneblade which I'll leave up to your imagination what it deals with. Those are just the ones off the top of my head and I haven't kept very current with the BL offerings since they switched to a more greedy release format. While non-infantry books are definitely in the minority, there are a few to choose from. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a Knight Titan book coming up to go along with the release of the plastic kit and rules.
Meh, Bikes and Void Warfare are the big exceptions which I've read about, particularly the latter in Scars and Betrayer.
I want books on the heavy metal - Leman Russes and such. Gunheads is the only book I've read where that's been centric.
2014/03/03 21:33:58
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
Yodhrin wrote: Ah righto, so you've been arguing against a near-completely imaginary opposition this entire time, fair enough.
Then says this in the same breath:
If I said "Hey can I use this Knight in my Chaos army"(a total hypothetical as I have neither at the moment), they refused, and their response to me politely asking them why was "Because the rules are the rules, sacred and inviolate", then I have as much right to think of them as being narrow and pedantic at the expense of fun as they do to think of me as some kind of monstrous gaming anarchist. And if they choose to say so in a public venue, say, on some kind of internet discussion forum, then I have just as much right to express my opinion of them in that medium as they do of me.
After having already said this:
Yodhrin wrote: Seriously though, if "the rules" are your focus, why on earth would you be playing 40K?
And this:
Yodhrin wrote: Out of interest, why not? It's sufficient justification for "counts-as", it's sufficient justification for moving away from strict and literal WYSIWYG, so why not in the case of the example given? People "change the rules" all the time, for any number of reasons, so why draw the line here and not there, unless in the back of your(plural) minds you(plural) know full well that rubbishing a lot of effort one of your(plural) mates has put into something is a move and you(plural) want to justify that to yourselves and everyone else. "Oh I'm not treating a buddy like crap, I'm just following the rules innit guv, them's the breaks, more than my job's worth etc etc".
Yodhrin wrote: Disliking random mechanics = changing the rules is cool beans. Rewarding the substantial effort of your friend = no dice bub, the Word is the Law, praise Geedub.
Imagined hey? HA!
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Yodhrin wrote: As for RPGs and wargames being incomparable, I reject the assertion. Rules exist to facilitate gameplay, as a framework, nothing more than that. Participants decide how the game is played and what role the rules take in it; I've played RPG campaigns in which the GM's only role was to ensure a level playing field for a cut-throat backstabbing ruthlessly competitive story where only one character would come out alive, and I've played co-op wargames with and without GMs focused entirely on developing a narrative with no consideration of victory or defeat. You choose to see a distinction because it suits your opinion that wargame rules should be inviolate diktats unless one party begs, pleads, and promises their soul in exchange for a concession from their magnanimous opponent.
Firstly, I didn’t say incomparable. I said the comparison was invalid, and it is, for the exact reasons I stated, but I’ll do so again because you must’ve missed them.
A war game has two sides (sometimes more, but that’s unusual). The goal of the game, and the purpose of the rules, is to facilitate a battle between those two (or more) sides, with the intent being that there be a winner by the time the game ends.
An RPG has no ‘sides’. There’s no ‘winner’ and ‘loser’ in the same way as a war game. There are players who (nominally) work as a team to overcome obstacles set in their path by a game master, the person who controls the world the players’ characters inhabit and controls outside elements, such as adversaries and NPC’s.
You can compare to the two, but in this particular instance your comparison was invalid as RPGs and war games are two very different creatures.
kronk wrote: I don't like the Imperial Knight models, so I won't buy them. I'm not going to picket outside of GWHQ with a sign that reads "Less Imperial Knights, More Sisters of Battle!"
Of course not. Only Sisters players are insane enough to do that.
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Compel wrote: You've forgotten a little book called... Titanicus.
It's not about infantry...
Or ravenwing and the white scar book as they focused more on cavalry... or the two HH books that focused on void ship warfare... or Baneblade which I'll leave up to your imagination what it deals with. Those are just the ones off the top of my head and I haven't kept very current with the BL offerings since they switched to a more greedy release format. While non-infantry books are definitely in the minority, there are a few to choose from. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a Knight Titan book coming up to go along with the release of the plastic kit and rules.
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2014/03/03 22:40:42
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
krazynadechukr wrote: Since no one was getting photo of 15mm DF model next to IK model, I had to use a poor copy paste program...
Not being critical of your attempts, but is this the best WE can do?
Doesn't anyone have a picture of the two side by side?
First off, one needed to be a DreamForge KS supporter to own one of the 15mm Crusaders, since they are not available at retail yet.
Then this theoretical person would have to have bought and assembled a GW knight.
Then he would have to be a member of Dakka, have a decent camera and be willing to take photos and upload them.
The intersection subset of these seven events is likely to be very small...
T
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Why do I get the feeling that this release, following on from escalation is paving the way for lord of war/super heavy slots in the standard codices? I can just see the IG codex adding a Baneblade at the end of the FOC, likewise a Stompa for Orks.
Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
2014/03/03 22:53:34
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
krazynadechukr wrote: Since no one was getting photo of 15mm DF model next to IK model, I had to use a poor copy paste program...
This is slightly incorrect. The height of the Leviathan is to the top of the torso, WITHOUT a base. The height of the Knight INCLUDES the base. I'd adjust for that.
2014/03/03 23:22:14
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - WDW Contents For Week 2 - 27/02 OP updated.
krazynadechukr wrote: Since no one was getting photo of 15mm DF model next to IK model, I had to use a poor copy paste program...
Not being critical of your attempts, but is this the best WE can do?
Doesn't anyone have a picture of the two side by side?
First off, one needed to be a DreamForge KS supporter to own one of the 15mm Crusaders, since they are not available at retail yet.
Then this theoretical person would have to have bought and assembled a GW knight.
Then he would have to be a member of Dakka, have a decent camera and be willing to take photos and upload them.
The intersection subset of these seven events is likely to be very small...
T
Well, do be fair, you won't have to be a member of Dakka, someone could have posted it on Warseer / B&C and someone could have seen it there and then shoved it over here.
And if you bought one huge titanesque model ASAP, wouldn't you be likely to have also bought the second ASAP when it was made available???
But yeah, I'm impatient...
'Anyone can win, but it takes a good man to lose.'
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Blue DP Crusade 126-11-6 
Biel-Tan Aspect Waves 2-0-2 
Looted Green Horde smash your face in 32-7-8 
Broadside/Shield Drone/Kroot blitz goodness 23-3-4 
Grey Hunters galore 17-5-5 
Khan Bikes Win 63-1-1 
Tanith with Pardus Armor 11-0-0 
Crimson Tide 59-4-0 
Green/Raven/Deathwing 18-0-0 
Jumping GK force with Inq. 4-0-0 
BTemplars w LRs 7-1-2 
IH Legion with Automata 8-0-0 
RG Legion w Adepticon medal 6-0-0 
No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester 
The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k 
move and you(plural) want to justify that to yourselves and everyone else. "Oh I'm not treating a buddy like crap, I'm just following the rules innit guv, them's the breaks, more than my job's worth etc etc".
