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Dalymiddleboro wrote:

What about infiltrating commoragh, and taking the Dark Eldars webway Tech?

If they could successfully pull that off, then sure. I wouldn't place my bets on such an idea being particularly feasible myself, though.

TiamatRoar wrote:

Dalymiddleboro wrote:

What about infiltrating commoragh, and taking the Dark Eldars webway Tech?

If they could successfully pull that off, then sure. I wouldn't place my bets on such an idea being particularly feasible myself, though.

With all the guard regiments / marine chapters I'd think they have more firepower than the DE do.

Dalymiddleboro wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:

Dalymiddleboro wrote:

What about infiltrating commoragh, and taking the Dark Eldars webway Tech?

If they could successfully pull that off, then sure. I wouldn't place my bets on such an idea being particularly feasible myself, though.

With all the guard regiments / marine chapters I'd think they have more firepower than the DE do.

Yeah, they're not getting in their, and specific sections of it can be shutdown. Not to mention that it'll be HIGHLY unlikely for the IOM to reverse engineer webway tech when they can't even properly reverse engineer their own lost tech.

 Wyzilla wrote:

Dalymiddleboro wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:

Dalymiddleboro wrote:

What about infiltrating commoragh, and taking the Dark Eldars webway Tech?

If they could successfully pull that off, then sure. I wouldn't place my bets on such an idea being particularly feasible myself, though.

With all the guard regiments / marine chapters I'd think they have more firepower than the DE do.

Yeah, they're not getting in their, and specific sections of it can be shutdown. Not to mention that it'll be HIGHLY unlikely for the IOM to reverse engineer webway tech when they can't even properly reverse engineer their own lost tech.

At least trying seems like progress when compared to just throwing their people away.

It will be interesting to see what happens the 'new' or is t old astronicum found in unremembered empire. Why after the emperors injuries was it not used? Was it moth balled or destroyed, or is it now the actual astronicum and tye whole Terran thing is just a show to create fear and unity in the empire????

Sorry way off topic.....but the possibilities for the heresy series and the life 'after' the emperor are immense..

Are you suggesting that the Imperium make widespread use of technology gleaned from murderous xenos?

I'm not sure whether the Inquisition or the Mechanicus would stomp on that idea first, but either way it would be ugly.

Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

Dalymiddleboro wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:

Dalymiddleboro wrote:

What about infiltrating commoragh, and taking the Dark Eldars webway Tech?

If they could successfully pull that off, then sure. I wouldn't place my bets on such an idea being particularly feasible myself, though.

With all the guard regiments / marine chapters I'd think they have more firepower than the DE do.

Yeah, they're not getting in their, and specific sections of it can be shutdown. Not to mention that it'll be HIGHLY unlikely for the IOM to reverse engineer webway tech when they can't even properly reverse engineer their own lost tech.

At least trying seems like progress when compared to just throwing their people away.

The IOM is progressing compared to strange consensus. They're slowly advancing and recovering from the loss suffered post Horus Heresy and claiming STC's. Already they're advancing Astartes power armor, building new bolters, plasma guns, lasguns, etc and generally advancing their tech- even developing new naval ships. The problem is that advancing their tech involves incredibly lethal dungeon crawling.

Imperium not only infiltrating Commaragh, but utterly crushing it and reverse engineering their Tech? I know this is fantasy, but get your head outta the warp boy! The only time the imperium have got into the Dark city was when Vect LET THEM IN. As in, left the door wide open, left a psykic trail of cookie crumbs, killed all the guards and stalled weeks until they arrived. Chances of that happening again? None. The Imperium cannot operate the Webway, even if they could the Webway actively tries to kill invading forces like anti bodies with false twists and turns, the Dark City is a very well hidden place. Hell, even if you get through all that you have to contend with Billions (''A hive city is to Commaragh as an ant hill is to a mountain'', Hive cities contain hundreds of millions of people, so Commaragh contains Billions) of pissed of Murders with access to Tech like Stolen Suns and black holes. Commaragh is unassailable, totally and utterly, unless someone lets you in that is

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Imperium not only infiltrating Commaragh, but utterly crushing it and reverse engineering their Tech? I know this is fantasy, but get your head outta the warp boy! The only time the imperium have got into the Dark city was when Vect LET THEM IN. As in, left the door wide open, left a psykic trail of cookie crumbs, killed all the guards and stalled weeks until they arrived. Chances of that happening again? None. The Imperium cannot operate the Webway, even if they could the Webway actively tries to kill invading forces like anti bodies with false twists and turns, the Dark City is a very well hidden place. Hell, even if you get through all that you have to contend with Billions (''A hive city is to Commaragh as an ant hill is to a mountain'', Hive cities contain hundreds of millions of people, so Commaragh contains Billions) of pissed of Murders with access to Tech like Stolen Suns and black holes. Commaragh is unassailable, totally and utterly, unless someone lets you in that is

Good to know lol. I just started Dark Eldar and am still learning about them.

 Flinty wrote:

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
He's on life support claiming the lives of countless millions of psykers... No one knows if he'll ever be himself again and snap out of his life support necessity. If this was happening in the U.S. we would have pulled the plug already, and wouldn't have even sacrificed one person to this vegetable...

Maybe he also poops oil? Everyone is a winner!

Actually he poops the ammunition used by Grey Knights.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Without the Astronomicon allowing warp travel, first Cadia, then The Rock, Silence, Jaggafall and Draconith will fall. Then in an ever-expanding circle, sometimes bypassing worlds, sometimes wiping them all away... eventually, even Ophelia VII will fall, and then... it's only a matter of time until Sol itself is overwhelmed and destroyed, as the wolves pierce the gates and bring ruin to humankind.

To be fair, with no interstellar travel Terra's destruction won't be of any special significance. The loss of the old capital doesn't signify any greater or lesser degree of ruin to the post-Imperial human species than that of any other planet.

ntw3001 wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Without the Astronomicon allowing warp travel, first Cadia, then The Rock, Silence, Jaggafall and Draconith will fall. Then in an ever-expanding circle, sometimes bypassing worlds, sometimes wiping them all away... eventually, even Ophelia VII will fall, and then... it's only a matter of time until Sol itself is overwhelmed and destroyed, as the wolves pierce the gates and bring ruin to humankind.

To be fair, with no interstellar travel Terra's destruction won't be of any special significance. The loss of the old capital doesn't signify any greater or lesser degree of ruin to the post-Imperial human species than that of any other planet.

True, but if you destroy all the roads in a country, then how is it able to defend itself from the enemy?

 Spinner wrote:
Are you suggesting that the Imperium make widespread use of technology gleaned from murderous xenos?

I'm not sure whether the Inquisition or the Mechanicus would stomp on that idea first, but either way it would be ugly.

Yea I agree it will be messy. I would imagine alot of people would be keen to hang onto it regardless of its heresy. It's going to be a good story I hope. Personally I think gulliman will destroy it after he realizes he should have taken his legion to terra.

It would be nice if he died, but that would be story progression which is you know what.

I'd be happy if they just retconned it so that the Emperor's desiccated corpse has been screaming in agony for the past 10,000 years. So grimdark, much mature.

 Anfauglir wrote:
[obligatory]HERESEY!!![/obligatory]

I don't even know why I keep posting this, I'm about as anti-Imperium as they come.

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:

Ha ha. Awesome.

Chaos doesn't need the astronomicon to navigate the warp (the ones that use daemons instead of navigators, at least). So if you take out the Emperor/Astronomicon, what you're left with is an enemy that can travel at warp speed and an Imperium that CAN'T. Needless to say, Chaos will have such a big tactical advantage with that that it's basically just a mop up operation from that point on.

(The Imperium's other enemies, such as Dark Elder, sometimes Elder, Orks, Necrons, and Tau do not lose anything with the loss of the Astronomicon either. Although I guess it might at least stop attracting as many Tyrannids)

Yeah let him die so he can become the chaos god of order.

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
He's on life support claiming the lives of countless millions of psykers... No one knows if he'll ever be himself again and snap out of his life support necessity. If this was happening in the U.S. we would have pulled the plug already, and wouldn't have even sacrificed one person to this vegetable...

If the Emperor fails, then none will be able to stop the influx
of the dark powers; ravenous and all-consuming Daemons will
flood into the galaxy. Every living human will become a gateway
for the destruction of Mankind. Reality as it is known will be
subsumed by the stuff of Warp space - a realm of nightmares
and cruel insanity where all life will end. There will be no
physical matter. No space. No time. Only Chaos.

So you better not touch that plug, unless you want everyone to become a sacrifice.

Animus wrote:

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
He's on life support claiming the lives of countless millions of psykers... No one knows if he'll ever be himself again and snap out of his life support necessity. If this was happening in the U.S. we would have pulled the plug already, and wouldn't have even sacrificed one person to this vegetable...

If the Emperor fails, then none will be able to stop the influx
of the dark powers; ravenous and all-consuming Daemons will
flood into the galaxy. Every living human will become a gateway
for the destruction of Mankind. Reality as it is known will be
subsumed by the stuff of Warp space - a realm of nightmares
and cruel insanity where all life will end. There will be no
physical matter. No space. No time. Only Chaos.

So you better not touch that plug, unless you want everyone to become a sacrifice.

That, and you'll get rubgy tackled by a Custodes. Those guys are really heavy.

I'm smelly... I need a shower.


Long Live The Emperor!

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
That, and you'll get rubgy tackled by a Custodes. Those guys are really heavy.

And, more importantly, are really fething good at rugby.

Here's a thought I've had for a while now.

The Emperor if allowed to "die" will eventually resurrect, much as the shamans did in ancients times before the Emperor was created.

The reason he hasn't been allowed to die is because he is the only psyker capable of maintaining the golden throne. Without the golden throne's continuous operation, the Warp would bleed into Terra and the home of humanity would be lost.

If Magnus could somehow be convinced to return to the Emperor's side and take control of the throne would the Emperor be able to be reborn and repair the Golden Throne?

GreyChaos wrote:
Here's a thought I've had for a while now.

The Emperor if allowed to "die" will eventually resurrect, much as the shamans did in ancients times before the Emperor was created.

The reason he hasn't been allowed to die is because he is the only psyker capable of maintaining the golden throne. Without the golden throne's continuous operation, the Warp would bleed into Terra and the home of humanity would be lost.

If Magnus could somehow be convinced to return to the Emperor's side and take control of the throne would the Emperor be able to be reborn and repair the Golden Throne?

The Shamans formed the Emperor because their ability to reincarnate was fading with the rise of Chaos, so working with that fluff I'd say no.
Though who knows with all this Perpetual gak what they're planning to do to the Emperor.

You are correct Animus. However, the Emperor passed his ability to resurrect to Vulkan, so I would assume the Emperor may still be capable of resurrecting himself.

The ancient shamans were being eaten by warp beasts because divided they are too weak to combat them. The Emperor is far more powerful though and could quite possibly defend his soul long enough for him to find a new corporeal form.

I'm not claiming it's a certainty, but I don't believe it's outside the scope of possibility nor is it disproved entirely by the fluff.

It took one year for him to reform into his present body. Although that might have meant he was adrift in the warp for billions of years, it's hard to say. I don't think the emperor could survive long enough to reincarnate, because he's not anonymous, it would be very obvious the second he had fully crossed over into the warp, and the Chaos gods would certainly be able to put aside their differences for a year to crush one of the most dangerous threats to them, long term.

Then again, it could be the reason that the Golden Throne is requiring more and more psykers is because the Emperor is using them to bolster his own strength while still safely in the mortal realm. With his consciousness and mastery of the warp, combined with being the aggregate soul of not only hundreds of shamans, but also literally millions of psykers, he could be preparing to die and face the Chaos gods in battle in the warp. Maybe he is causing the internal faults in the machine to force the sacrifice of more psykers, as it is unlikely he can say that he needs more, even Auditori Imperium to like the Captain of the Custodes.

The imperium will never stop feeding him psykers, and they won't ever run out, either, given that it is an increasingly common mutation amongst an uncountable population. At some point he will have absorbed so many souls, and will be the psychic focus of so many billions of psychically gifted humans, that he can die and destroy the Chaos gods in their own realm.

I don't think that's necessarily a happy ending though. Maybe he kills them and then reincarnates. Best case scenario. Maybe he simply remains in the warp and becomes like a human Slannesh. Either way, I bet that whenever that rumble goes down would be a really crappy time to be alive. Like, even by 40k standards.

Best case scenario is: all faithful dies as the light of Astronomican fails, within but years, worlds with no or little self-sustaining capabilities such as Hiveworlds, Forgeworlds, and such eventually collapses as famine, plague, in-fighting, and chaos incursions rampant throughout the hives; minor worlds such as agri, feudal, feral, or death worlds regresses much further without the already minimal external supports (for example, Catachan Jungle fighters fight in the regiments in exchange for medical supplies for their strongholds).
As lives of men become increasingly difficult, religious fever swept through whoever remains and die in whatever god/entity's name, and huamnity make their own version of Ynnead. Whether this new entity is in anyway related to the Emperor is irrelevant, however.

Paraphrased from an excerpt of the late Taggarath's cousin's aunt's uncle's dog's former owner's wife's 3rd son.

Get the corpse off of that golden toilet I've needed a dump since the heresy

The Imperium is sacrificing *psykers*, most of them would be blammed by the mutant-hating Inquisition anyway, at least this is putting their lives to some use.

So I'm listening to Decent of Angels at the moment, if the Emprah's actual voice is anything like the one the reader gives him, I'm all for him waking up.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
The Imperium is sacrificing *psykers*, most of them would be blammed by the mutant-hating Inquisition anyway, at least this is putting their lives to some use.

I'm sorry, but I couldn't stop imagining the character in your sig as an inept commissar, randomly blamming his troops.



So I wound up wasting half an hour on this.

No. If he does chaos will take over.