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I don't know to be honest, cardboard doors as streachgoal is lackluster they could offer to make doors plastic as a streachgoal, add more poses to the grunts, make the solo boards, but all these went to "add ons" not really thrilled, the expansion pack as streachgoal is quite interesting, but I feel all should have been like that, the amount of gap between the texico streachgoal is the same as the amount of the game needed to be founded and you get half a game as add on purchase.

 Salacious Greed wrote:

 yamato wrote:
For those thinking that this is much slower than MYTH? Perhaps you are just remembering the end of MYTH,..... At a comparable point to now; MYTH was only just past $50k and averaging about 6k/day. Recon is five times bigger at this point and doing about four times more per day. Who knows where it goes,.... But it is well on track to hit more that MYTH

I really think the only they are comparing between Recon and Myth are what they gave away. This, while higher money wise, hasn't given away the same amounts of stuff in its SGs.

I guess it is all a matter of perspective,..... it is tough to compare one to the other because this game is not about encountering fast numbers of enemies,... I know that there are more types yet to come,.. and the ones that they have added all ready are said to play differently in the game.

MYTH is a tough act to follow,... when I look at other similar mini-centric board games that have been on KS,... this seems like it is still a good value. and I think it is due to the number of sculpts that are required. if you look at something like Z-cide 2,.... it basically gave one or two of a single sculpt for each SG (I didn't follow it,... but were people complaining that there was not enough stuff in that one? Arcadia Quest,... alternated between token upgrades and single hero figures,..

Man. Pledging and the discussion here both dried up? What happened?

The "to be expected" doldrums as we try to slog through a $50K stretch towards a 'so-so' model.

Once we're past that, we're into $15K stretch goals.

That, and maybe the 'mid-campaign slowdown' just arrived a bit earlier than usual?

Also, as noted earlier, this one isn't as visually diverse and/or stimulating as MYTH was, maybe?

Also I suspect that a number of potential backers are waiting for their Myth shipments to arrive either to check the quality, or because they don't like backing a 2nd project until the first arrives)

(those that would back anyway have already done so)

and I suspect running the KS is probably negatively effecting the shipping rate for myth

I asked about no ads yet,... and they said that they were supposed to begin today. There has basically been no ads anywhere up to this point (just a few stories on Beast of War).

Hopefuly ads will drive some more traffic to the BGG page, adn thereby the KS page.

I don't think it changed the shipping much,... if anything, I think it is the other way around. They said that one person would be handling e-mails and comments, and the others would all be in the wharehouse packing boxes.

they should be done today with domestic shipments

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Also I suspect that a number of potential backers are waiting for their Myth shipments to arrive either to check the quality, or because they don't like backing a 2nd project until the first arrives)

(those that would back anyway have already done so)

That's where I sit.

Thank goodness mine's out for delivery today, and I've got the afternoon cleared and the kids are both done with their homework ahead of time!

Nya nya nya nya nya!

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Thank goodness mine's out for delivery today, and I've got the afternoon cleared and the kids are both done with their homework ahead of time!

Nya nya nya nya nya!

Mine was supposed to be here last week, but they sent it to Oregon instead of Ohio.

I've gotta say i'm really happy with Myth. I received my copy early, and am genuinely happy with the final product. I'm not sure the rules, as they stand, are exactly what I hoped, but the production itself is wonderful, which is much of why I was backing in the first place.

I'm also digging the material for the minis, and if this Recon KS does nothing more than get the entire Mercs table-top line in the same material, i'll be a very happy camper. As it stands, the "Mission Packs" are essentially already a Mercs faction starter, minus dice, at 60% discount if you're already getting their cards by sitting at the $200 pledge-level, so i'll gladly fill out my collection at that pricing IF they indeed are using the same production values/materials as the Myth stuff.

Oh, and random aside... I love the little sack of metal counters Myth came with. They feel good, are weighty, and generic enough that i'll end up using them for a bunch of different games.

So... what's up with Myth's rules vs. expectations?

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
So... what's up with Myth's rules vs. expectations?

I think I, like many others, expected a Warhammer Quest-alike, with the emphasis on permanent gear, upgrades, progression, etc... Then you realize its much more a "sandbox" game where you play as you see fit, do what you want, etc... with not a lot of guidance from the game. Its much less an "RPG played on tiles without a DM" than I expected, which might make the failing mine, but I know a few others felt similarly.

Also, the rules are in decent need of a rewrite. I know Brian Shotton was an English Major, etc... but as someone who makes a living writing, and who has done so editing, I guarantee you that no one experienced at either had a hand in the organization/flow of this book. :-p

Hmm, that's interesting re: sandbox (I haven't really seen a game like that) and disappointing re: rewrite (I've seen far too many good looking games with poor rules)

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
So... what's up with Myth's rules vs. expectations?

I think I, like many others, expected a Warhammer Quest-alike, with the emphasis on permanent gear, upgrades, progression, etc... Then you realize its much more a "sandbox" game where you play as you see fit, do what you want, etc... with not a lot of guidance from the game. Its much less an "RPG played on tiles without a DM" than I expected, which might make the failing mine, but I know a few others felt similarly.

Also, the rules are in decent need of a rewrite. I know Brian Shotton was an English Major, etc... but as someone who makes a living writing, and who has done so editing, I guarantee you that no one experienced at either had a hand in the organization/flow of this book. :-p

Ouch. I'd say that your comments were a red flag for me, but "red flag" just seems inadequate. A rulebook that hasn't been looked over by a professional editor? Are you kidding? I don't care if the game shipped with a literal ton of models; there's no way I'm shelling out money for such a product. It bodes poorly for Myth, and even more so for Recon.

At this point I've pretty much resigned myself to the reality that game companies see no pressing need to have their books edited by anyone actually deserving of the title "Editor".

 Guildsman wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
So... what's up with Myth's rules vs. expectations?

I think I, like many others, expected a Warhammer Quest-alike, with the emphasis on permanent gear, upgrades, progression, etc... Then you realize its much more a "sandbox" game where you play as you see fit, do what you want, etc... with not a lot of guidance from the game. Its much less an "RPG played on tiles without a DM" than I expected, which might make the failing mine, but I know a few others felt similarly.

Also, the rules are in decent need of a rewrite. I know Brian Shotton was an English Major, etc... but as someone who makes a living writing, and who has done so editing, I guarantee you that no one experienced at either had a hand in the organization/flow of this book. :-p

Ouch. I'd say that your comments were a red flag for me, but "red flag" just seems inadequate. A rulebook that hasn't been looked over by a professional editor? Are you kidding? I don't care if the game shipped with a literal ton of models; there's no way I'm shelling out money for such a product. It bodes poorly for Myth, and even more so for Recon.

The beta rulebook for recon is on the ks page if you'd like to check it out. Didn't stand out as being terrible to me, but maybe needs more examples and better explainations which you'd hope were in the final product.

Am I the only one that is turned off by KS's that have an extremely large number of comments? Especially when the comments are completely off topic?

Recon had over 400 comments in the last 24 hours. I tried reading through part of it and was inundated by personal messages between KS backers.

Oh yeah, I find the only place anything coherent can be found is in responses to specific updates- the global comments section is always a mess on big projects.

The lack of editing is cause for concern for me as well. It shows me that they cut corners to save costs and time. With as much money as they made there is no reason they could not have hired a real editor.

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We have what we call flexible stretches that are thought up long ago and stored for down time in the KS.

This is the first.

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Drop it creep!

"Flexible streachgoals"

Alright.

primalexile, It depends how much- I generally find gaming books from most companies to have embarrassing errors compared to other books. Poor editing, vs. poor editing for a gaming book, is a distinction worth establishing.

drazz wrote:
Am I the only one that is turned off by KS's that have an extremely large number of comments? Especially when the comments are completely off topic?

Recon had over 400 comments in the last 24 hours. I tried reading through part of it and was inundated by personal messages between KS backers.

Comments like that drive me crazy too. Mantic KS projects seem to attract a lot of that to the point they can be unreadable unless you enjoy whatever inside joke they are beating to death.

Robocop now that is an awesome stretch goal!

 primalexile wrote:
Robocop now that is an awesome stretch goal!

I agree. That is a cool concept, and hope the model looks that good. But not sure that it can help overcome these really weak, poorly spaced SGs.

Well, i've already messaged them asking that they add the model as a prospective "add-on" item as well, because I NEED two of them. I'm a huge fanboy, and absolutely must paint up a Tactical 2014 Robocop in black, and a classic "Blue Steel". ;-)

 Salacious Greed wrote:

 primalexile wrote:
Robocop now that is an awesome stretch goal!

I agree. That is a cool concept, and hope the model looks that good. But not sure that it can help overcome these really weak, poorly spaced SGs.

They will probably summon more flexible streachgoals if the pace doesn't catch up.

Weak and poorly spaced does not cover it TBH, need 50k to fund two complete boxes with two merc forces ectr ectr (plus the option to buy an upgrade pack), 50K streachgoal, you get the privilege to buy an upgrade pack that includes 1/4th of the contents of a sngle of the two founded boxes.......

Psychotic Storm,

I agree with you. I think they have all the MERCS fans already pledged. I think they've done themselves a disservice as to drawing new gamers into their nets. The add-on boxes are great for current players. But doesn't do anything for me, as like you said, I get less than 1/3 to a 1/4 of the $60 boxes for about half that price at $25. And their SGs aren't exciting to a non-Mercs person. The Myth stuff would be discarded, and the stupid dog is cringeworthy...

Wow... tell us how you really feel Salacious. :-p

Incidentally the "Stupid Dog" is a running joke dating back to Myth, and is a nice nod to their community and long term fans. Harmless and well meaning.

I can live with the dog, who is really irrelevant, could be at least posed more reasonable/ had better equipment setup, we all have our pet vanities, they want their dog immortalized as a miniature (twice) so be it.

I feel they have exhausted their hardcore supporters. 896 Agent level and 560 OPFOR, along with 183 hardcore but Myth only pledgers.

The fact new people joining in show a steady decline and the flexible streachgoal show it has failed to reach the critical point of a good offer, to attract new people in.


For the Merc player there is little to no incentive to join in, they will get a few alternative poses and maybe a few new unreleased models (if streachgoals get reached) but for the most part they will get the same models they already have only in plastic, they could have grasped the chance of resculpting everything promising better sculpts to attract their attention, the main game is ok, but not the irresistible offer, no 3D terrain in it, most models are represented by card counters? as if Sodapop hadn't got enough flack for representing bonepiles with card counters, this is were the conversation about passing the kickstarter funds to the core box come in, if I saw this box on the self, I would not buy it, with 3D terrain, plastic hostages ectr, hell I might have bought it just for the civilians for my Infinity games, but not for just two poses.

Making the core box more attractive will help future sales, that's why I was so surprised to hear Myth got no upgrade.

Back on topic, neither box is an attractive purchase, streachgoals have burned the initial funding with... stupid streachgoals, funding 50k, you get 40 minis (plus 7 more for an extra 25) for 31 individual sculpts in total, 70 more k 20k more than the funding level you get 2 new sculpts at 6 minis, not per box, in general and Security 1 the one you will first meet and they feel counters would be better for their product,
makes no sense beyond saying lets face it the funding was 120k, but still why not upgrade the boxes with the security force 1? same with the (alternative?) secfor 2 and civilians.

300k Streachgoal as mentioned above makes no sense 50k as much as the finding to get one free mini and of course now not mentioned in the frontpage, the unlocking of texico expansion 7 new sculpts, but you have to pay for them.

The 400k streachgoal makes more sense as far as pledges go, add a free expansion pack, the other should be so too to add to the value of the pledge and make the product more attractive, s would the solo player board instead of the doors or shoved in between a huge gap to make the product feel better.

I kind of dislike most of the homage add ons, they make no sense and feel way too retro for the setting, they could at least futurise them.

*sigh* everyone always complains about "lack of pace" and "poor stretch goals" in every single KS I've backed. I think people even complained about that in Kingdom Death. Why complain about it? Just sit back and relax.

Besides, I would think that they will probably start actually advertising this fairly soon. Once they do, they're likely to bring in more backers.

Speaking of backing, since Tamburlaine decided to be greedy and take the entire pledge for himself, I've upgraded my own to the $120 level. I was planning on just splitting the $120 with him and throwing in for the add-ons, but I guess I won't, now.