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If you pop something like a Rhino or a Trukk, but you don't manage to kill the men that were inside, does it award a victory point and first blood or not?

Everyone at the hobbystore I play at says it doesn't count since it is part of that unit, and I'm the only one who says it does count. Also I'm right 99.9% of the time but they always contest my claims.

Is there a page in the BRB that states the rules behind this?

Transport and unit are completely seperate units.

Snoipah wrote:
If you pop something like a Rhino or a Trukk, but you don't manage to kill the men that were inside, does it award a victory point and first blood or not?

Everyone at the hobbystore I play at says it doesn't count since it is part of that unit, and I'm the only one who says it does count. Also I'm right 99.9% of the time but they always contest my claims.

Is there a page in the BRB that states the rules behind this?

If they're the same unit, then they have to maintain coherency and also when the unit embarks in the Rhino the Rhino would have to embark in the Rhino. If they were really the same unit, things would start to get messy very quickly.

Everyone at your hobbystore is wrong.

It counts. Transport is NOT part of that unit. Doesn't have to maintain coherency, can fire at a separate target even when the unit is embarked, etc etc etc.
And yes, I believe the rey box on Dedicated Transports mentions that they are separate units, but at work and no rulebook handy.

I found it, page 127.

I was right, gee golly wilikers, what a surprise...

...freaking spess muhreen playerz

Snoipah wrote:
I found it, page 127.

I was right, gee golly wilikers, what a surprise...

...freaking spess muhreen playerz

127 is just the reminder.

The rules are plainly written. DT's are just that a transport and a separate unit.

As others have said, if a DT was a part of a unit they would all have to shoot at the same target, stay in coherency, and they would all have to embark upon a transport or none of them could.

Every time this comes up I want to model a Klein Rhino...

If your group need something more Rule as Written then the above logic, which really should be enough because transports don't implode into themselves at the start of the game, point them to the Army List section of the codex. At the beginning of each is a page detailing how we go about reading the Army List and other little pieces of information I bet most people don't even bother reading. As far as I know, every single codex contains one very simple sentence that reads along the lines of "Each entry in this section is a separate unit" or the likes. It is pretty self explanatory after that point, simply showing where one enter ends and another begins is all it takes to prove something is a different unit.

Dedicated Transports, often in an entirely separate section of the Army List to the entry purchasing them, are their own units.

Pyrian wrote:
Every time this comes up I want to model a Klein Rhino...

Exalted Although to truly solve the rhino paradox you'd probably have to build it in 4 dimensions

JubbJubbz wrote:

Pyrian wrote:
Every time this comes up I want to model a Klein Rhino...

Exalted Although to truly solve the rhino paradox you'd probably have to build it in 4 dimensions

Good luck getting 10 SM to fit "inside" that.

If I can build a rhino in four spatial dimensions, fitting 10 space marines is not going to be a problem, relatively speaking.

A rhino embarking a rhino looks like a program from animal planet.

 koooaei wrote:
A rhino embarking a rhino looks like a program from animal planet.

And a Rhino embarking in itself is an MC Escher painting.