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First thing first; let's get the upper limit thing out of the way because of heart giving out or other body part not working. Orks are made out of standard mammal, fungus and algea DNA. If their head are cut off they can just as well (even after a while) get it attached to another body and aside from a general WTF just rushed back into battle so I think we can easily throw standard physical limitation out the window.

Also as far as dying from old age goes, pretty sure Orks can live for a really really really long time, they are part plants which are often known (like tree fungus and algea) to live for hundreds of years. The only reason they tend not to live to long, Ghazghkull being probably the longest lived known Orks, is without a doubt because they tend to die in battle WAY before achieving an advanced age.

Now, Tuska is stuck in a perpetual loop against Khorne's legion and possibly Khorne himself from time to time. We aren't talking about the day resetting here as time flow normaly since spore from the death or orks still mature into other orks. They are simply ressurected to fight another day (which is clearly stated). We can assume that Khorne, not being stupid, ressurect only a portion of the Orks otherwise the whole planet would eventually be overpopulated by them.. or maybe he does not because his realm is just fething huge, who knows.

Orks just get bigger and stronger as they fight, it is not a instantaneous process but something that slowly happen over the months and years. Tuska would technically fight forever, which mean his potential to become bigger and stronger is near infinite. Why near infinite? I assume that Orks size and strenght progress at a reversely propotional rate. The bigger they grow the slower their progression becomes.

Still, Tuska (and his boys/nobz and other friendly green joy) have a almost infinite potential here, so the question is, considering Khorne does not plan for it (which I sincerely doubt but let's suspend that belief for now) could Tuska eventually grow strong enough to kill Khorne? I think so (if of course the 4 chaos gods are killable, I dont know that part).

Follow up question, what the feth would happen to the galaxy if for some reason Tuska and his now pobably warlord sized army of boys get out of the Warp and flow back into the galaxy? Pray.
   
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I can only assume that maybe the Ork's size is also reset?

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I doubt it is so. Tuska is aware of what is going on so that means his memory and abilities are intact. Actually pretty much everything is the same but only the weirdest most misunderstood characteristic of Ork physiology are affected by Khorne's power? That seems doubtful.

Of course I actually doubt Khorne himself fight Tuska and it is most probably his avatar considering Tuska killed him the first time around. So fluff wise if Khorne isnt invincible a single ork warlord might seem inconsequencial. But it s fun to imagine the possobility.
   
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He is in all likelihood reset.

After all, otherwise he'd starve to death!

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not necessarely. Spores are there so that mean plenty of food source for orks and at worst, orks can eat other orks but it is a valid point nonetheless.
   
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I doubt they would have much time to eat if they fight constantly right up to their death and resurrection, even if food were to be found.

You'd best just assume that they are stuck in a time pocket, for all intents and purposes.

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 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

You'd best just assume that they are stuck in a time pocket, for all intents and purposes.

If I recall correctly it's stated that the number of Orks is increasing due to them spreading spores which suggests that time is continuing.
   
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I'd say it's probably a time pocket. All ideas about what's logical, sensible, or the physical laws of reality go out the window once you're in the warp (well, I assume he's pretty deep in). It's like one big fat virtual reality dream in there

That said, orks do react slightly differently to the warp (which if I recall is one of the reasons Abaddon captured so many to bring back to experiment on in a Black Crusade)

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pretty much every race as a different reaction to the warp if one at all.

Yeah there are still spore spreading but I think by reset he didnt mean the days but rather the individual. Still I find it perfectly plausible that ork can eat in the midst of battle but eh they are Orks so usually you say feth you to most logic.

as for the warp yeah rule also go put the windows so it might individual reset on the orks themselves but it remains that they are spreading more and more.

Eh maybe we ll see Chaos or Dark Orks sometime in the future. while fun I hppe not cauz it would be such a cheap of bringing a new army.

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If I were to guess, they're still growing (And probably massive by now, an army of Ghazkull Thrakas) but they've quite nearly platued. After all, they were designed to be the perfect warriors and if any being grows too large, it'll collapse in on itself. For every double in size, you increase mass and weight by 8x. So, nearly all of their 'Growth' would have slowed, as their bone density and muscle strength has to increase exponentially to deal with physical stature growth.
This is also why Ghazkull Thraka, one of the strongest Orks in the galaxy, is only a head taller (While in his huge, bulky Mega Armor) than a generic Warboss.

That being said, were Khorne to ever get them out of the time pocket and point them vaguely towards the Imperium, it would not go well.

EDIT: Science, bitch.

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well we can kind of throw of standard physics out the windows since Orks physiology is quite different from ours but.you saying they plateau is not far removed from my theory on the progression slowing down exponentially.

Pretty sure by now if Tuskas is not resetting he is at least as impressive as Ghagzhkull and a good deal of his army must have quite a size.

It is not unthinkable Khrone would use the Orks against an army of invading Space Marine. Why do it yourself when you can use a tool you trained for years and years. And he wouldnt have much problem redirecting the Orks' bloodlust.

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I'm pretty sure this was meant to be understood as an 'infinite loop' scenario. I.E. He wakes up in the morning, goes about his business, goes to sleep (or dies) and then it all starts over again as though it had never occurred in the first place. The theory that he would keep getting bigger/the orks would grow in number is not an issue, because after everything goes down, it starts over as though it hadn't occurred to begin with.

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he states that he has found the fight that he was always looking for after Khorne started ressurecting them so it points toward ressurection rather than time loop. Also the statement that spores are spreading after each dead and mature into new orks also go against the whole day resetting.

By now we ve pretty much come to the final idea that even IF he still grows it s remarkably slowly and would take years upon years to make a difference. However it is sure that Khorne has a incredible army of Orks he could use, a force perhaps greater than Ghazghkull's.

Now I m mostly interested if Orks maturing in the warp (which is basicaly what is happening) would be different spmehow than those in the "normal" plane.
   
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Ive always seen this sort of like a save point in a video game. All the orks battle until they die against the daemons, who would multiply faster than the orks in the warp, then load from last saved. So instead of growing day in day out for ever, they are the same size everyday.
   
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kingleir wrote:
Ive always seen this sort of like a save point in a video game. All the orks battle until they die against the daemons, who would multiply faster than the orks in the warp, then load from last saved. So instead of growing day in day out for ever, they are the same size everyday.

This is starting to feel like a YMDC argument...
Long story short, it's a 4th edition story about Orks in the Warp. All three of these elements usually mean you have to give it a bit of fluff-related leeway and assume that the chaos and spontaneity of it works out in the end.
   
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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

You'd best just assume that they are stuck in a time pocket, for all intents and purposes.

If I recall correctly it's stated that the number of Orks is increasing due to them spreading spores which suggests that time is continuing.


No, no such thing is mentioned. Only that they have found their paradise of eternal war and that they are enjoying it, being resurrected every day.

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I'd interpret it as a sort of "Groundhork Day" scenario, as in Tuska is reincarnated as he was at the start of the previous day, thus not growing stronger. Khorne isn't stupid, after all.

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 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
No, no such thing is mentioned. Only that they have found their paradise of eternal war and that they are enjoying it, being resurrected every day.

6th Edition Daemon Codex, page 11 wrote:History repeated itself over and over again as the Orks fought tooth and nail, never once showing signs of surrender or despair. The Blood God was so impressed by their limitless battlelust that he took the Orks into his own domain. In the shadow of the Brass Citadel, his elite Bloodletter generals battle against the Daemon-Killa's undying horde on a daily basis. Each cycle, great clouds of fungal spores are released by the dying Greenskins to take root and flourish in the bloodstains foothills of the Osseous Peaks. Yet more Orks are born, grow to maturity , and charge into battle once more. Such endless cycles of bloodshed are most pleasing to the Blood God.

My interpretation is that Tuska's original Orks are resurrected as well new Orks being spawned but as written it could have changed between the Daemon-world and Khorne's own domain.
   
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I want to say Tuska is mentioned in the latest Daemons codex, but I sadly am at work and cannot double check.
   
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