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hey guys im having some trouble, is there anything in the space marine codex that can kill calgar and honour guard in a drop pod?
ive tryed terminators and am thinking about trying A power axe jump pack captain but it does not looks good, the honour guard just get so many attacks!
any tips would be appreciated.

Grav weapons, Plasma Weapons, Vindicators, anything with AP2. Don't try to punch them down, that's fighting them on their terms. 3 Grav Centurions shooting at them deal around 9 wounds per turn at AP2. 5 Sternguard with combi-plasma deal around 6.667... wounds if in Rapid Fire range.

Essentially, "shoot the choppy ones!".

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Grav weapons, Plasma Weapons, Vindicators, anything with AP2. Don't try to punch them down, that's fighting them on their terms. 3 Grav Centurions shooting at them deal around 9 wounds per turn at AP2. 5 Sternguard with combi-plasma deal around 6.667... wounds if in Rapid Fire range.

Essentially, "shoot the choppy ones!".

do you think a plasma pistol + plasma gun + plasma cannon will do it?
thats my DV tac squad shooting. ive tryed them before but they dont do anything. if i add another 5 man tac squad with a plasma cannon will i have a better chance? i might just get enother DV tac squad to help. sternguard ay, hmmmm, while i dont realy want to ebay all those combi-weapons, it might be my best bet.

you're shooting at calgar and an honorguard squad with a tatical squad? well that's kind of your problem right there. I mean this formation is somewhere in the ballpark of 400 points

This might sound a bit Juvenal but why not:

Calgar, honor guard, and a drop pod.

But in all seriousness, the Vindicator can make short work of that unit.

BrianDavion wrote:
you're shooting at calgar and an honorguard squad with a tatical squad? well that's kind of your problem right there. I mean this formation is somewhere in the ballpark of 400 points

Also This!

You could always ally in an IG Executioner. Works a treat against my brother's DW. Or just take something with a Demolisher cannon. Or some Plas-cannon Devs with max ablative wounds (although this is quite vulnerable). Or just lots of Tactical squads with plasguns and plascannons. Combat squad them, and space them out. That way you can move forward and get on with things and ensure you've got all units doing harm and none worth him going after. My brother does this all the time with his Tau. Lots of min sized squads spaced out. My assaulty BT find it hard to get to grips with him, and on destroying one unit take the fire of the others. Ofc this might work better with grav-bikers and such, because of their superior mobility.

Vindicators, plasma cannon devs, or even plasma command squads should make short work of em.

just flip to the back of the book and look for all the AP2 or 1 weapons.

I wouldn't use template weapons unless they are low ap flamer ones . Grav guns are the best option . 3-4 squads of bikers and calgar will never be able to get in to melee range , while his unit will get hit on +3 and wounded on +2 with possible re-rolls .

Why are you using tacticals in a SM army ?

Have you tried centrally locating an aegis with quad and just blowing the pod out of the sky?

Or, Sternguard with Plasma/Grav weapons should mess it up. Biker Plas command squad... Vindicator... Grav Centurions... these are all good ideas. Failing that, Allies can put some major hurt in.

Command squad, bikes, five grav guns.

Take a second one for redundancy.

Vindicators are specially made for this kind of target. Honor guard have no invuln save, and Vindicators both wound them on 2s and ignore their armor. They might be getting cover, but you'll mop the floor with them if you have a Vindicator. Just don't for the love of god charge them with anything, unless you've got TH/SS Terminators who can weather the power weapons and axes.

Plasma guns and cannons, lascannons, and grav guns and cannons. These are your friends when it comes to killing that unit. Look to your heavy support sections. Invest in some Centurions, a Devastator squad, Predator or Vindicator. Or Sternguard, should have Sternguard already though if you play SM.

 BunkerBob wrote:
Have you tried centrally locating an aegis with quad and just blowing the pod out of the sky?

Interceptor is used at the end of the enemy Movement Phase so they've already deployed. An exploding pod might still hurt them a bit ofc.

thanks guys! im new to the SM game scene (until now ive just been hoardiung terminators and things like that), anyway, il have a look on ebay for some nice stern-guard appropriate weapons, chop off my dreadnought's assault cannon and use his las-cannon, giving me two las- dreads. il have a look at centurians and vindicators too.
I think I need more infantry realy, ATM over 400 points are going into my 'naters.

You could also take a coteaz inquisition detatchment just for the I've been expecting you and shoot the honour guard with a plasma or grav command squad or just some grav centurions

The best advice I can give you is this: whenever someone fields a Deathstar against you, the best way to deal with it is to ignore it. Let it eat one of your squads a turn while you concentrate on putting the hurt on the rest of his army. Since Deathstars tend to be obscenely expensive, if you play smart it will be hard for your opponent to have his unit put enough of a dent in your army to "break even" in terms of effect on the battlefield vs cost investment.

Calgar + min. sized HG + DP is what? 400 + pts? Since they are on foot after they land, it should be hard for them to kill enough of your army over the 4+ turns they have to get in CC for them to have been worth it.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Vindicators are specially made for this kind of target. Honor guard have no invuln save, and Vindicators both wound them on 2s and ignore their armor. They might be getting cover, but you'll mop the floor with them if you have a Vindicator. Just don't for the love of god charge them with anything, unless you've got TH/SS Terminators who can weather the power weapons and axes.

mmm I could be wrong but I thought HG could take storm Shields. Thus giving them an invulnerable save correct?

 wowsmash wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:
Vindicators are specially made for this kind of target. Honor guard have no invuln save, and Vindicators both wound them on 2s and ignore their armor. They might be getting cover, but you'll mop the floor with them if you have a Vindicator. Just don't for the love of god charge them with anything, unless you've got TH/SS Terminators who can weather the power weapons and axes.

mmm I could be wrong but I thought HG could take storm Shields. Thus giving them an invulnerable save correct?

They can't, so no.

 wowsmash wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:
Vindicators are specially made for this kind of target. Honor guard have no invuln save, and Vindicators both wound them on 2s and ignore their armor. They might be getting cover, but you'll mop the floor with them if you have a Vindicator. Just don't for the love of god charge them with anything, unless you've got TH/SS Terminators who can weather the power weapons and axes.

mmm I could be wrong but I thought HG could take storm Shields. Thus giving them an invulnerable save correct?

Unfortunately not. That would make them actually pretty good.

They cannot.

There is no way to give em inuvl. other than allied DA with power field stuff. ( cant cast forewarning blessings ether on the turn they come in IIRC)

That's weird, could have sworn I read that somewhere. I'll have to recheck I guess.

 Desubot wrote:
They cannot.

There is no way to give em inuvl. other than allied DA with power field stuff. ( cant cast forewarning blessings ether on the turn they come in IIRC)

Technically, you can cast forewarning on them if the libby is already on the board, but that basically means landing your DP within 24" of your DZ...

Ugh, that really sucks. I was looking forward to building that unit too. Feels like somebody just stole my sucker. /tear

''Shoot the choppy ones and chop the shooty ones''

 Brother SRM wrote:
Vindicators are specially made for this kind of target. Honor guard have no invuln save, and Vindicators both wound them on 2s and ignore their armor. They might be getting cover, but you'll mop the floor with them if you have a Vindicator. Just don't for the love of god charge them with anything, unless you've got TH/SS Terminators who can weather the power weapons and axes.

But it is blast , it will maybe clip 3 dudes max and one wound will go the EW +4inv Calgar.

If you really want to kill this unit then a unit of grav gun centurions would make quick work of them.

Otherwise in the SM codex you have command squads with plasma/grav, sternguard with combi-plasma, and multiple vindicators (1 will not do it as the squad can spread out). Other options are grav bikers who can stay out of range and kill them over several turns, LotD with plasma/plasma cannon/combi grav, and just torrent them down. Whatever you do don't fight them in assault unless you brought lysander+TH/SS termies to the fight.

Honestly I personally would just spread out and let them eat whatever they land next to. They will probably not be able to get back into the game and they cannot score.

Makumba wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:
Vindicators are specially made for this kind of target. Honor guard have no invuln save, and Vindicators both wound them on 2s and ignore their armor. They might be getting cover, but you'll mop the floor with them if you have a Vindicator. Just don't for the love of god charge them with anything, unless you've got TH/SS Terminators who can weather the power weapons and axes.

But it is blast , it will maybe clip 3 dudes max and one wound will go the EW +4inv Calgar.

Its a large blast, it could easily hit all of them if given the opportunity

 A GumyBear wrote:
Its a large blast, it could easily hit all of them if given the opportunity

Probably not the unit is drop podding in. This gives them a 6" move to spread out. I would say hitting 3 is a reasonable guess and calgar will probably tank the wounds. Still not bad though.

 ansacs wrote:

 A GumyBear wrote:
Its a large blast, it could easily hit all of them if given the opportunity

Probably not the unit is drop podding in. This gives them a 6" move to spread out. I would say hitting 3 is a reasonable guess and calgar will probably tank the wounds. Still not bad though.

True if the opponent plays it smart there wont be much to hit but I was merely pointing it out since he said it was a blast so could hit at most 3 when 3 is probably the average