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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 14:30:55
Subject: Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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Manchu wrote:I hope this doesn't turn into a "white people have it so hard" discussion or a "non-white people are the real racists" discussion.
cincydooley wrote:I don't think it's getting much better at all.
As we've seen with the Martin and Dunn cases, a large portion of black America is intent on emphatically stating that those two judgements have declared "open season" on black youth.
Coupled with the fact that any black American who's views align more with a conservative viewpoint is labeled an Uncle Tom And the fact that most whites are terrified to talk about race for fear of being blacklisted as a racist, and you've got an equation that hardly screams "better race relations."
timetowaste85 wrote: Kicker was, I'm white, everyone else was either black or Asian. I've got friends of just about every ethnicity, think racism is disgusting, and I was pretty upset at the treatment I got that I'm reasonably sure was due to the color of my skin and what town I was in.
Too late?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 14:34:08
Subject: Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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I'm sure you can find more examples throughout, Pol. Let's see if this can improve before locking.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 14:43:14
Subject: Re:Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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Who the Hell going to argue that with a Veritech pilot......
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 14:47:01
Subject: Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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Manchu wrote:I hope this doesn't turn into a "white people have it so hard" discussion or a "non-white people are the real racists" discussion.
I hope what I said didn't come across as that.
While I do think the Martin and Dunn outcomes (and I still don't understand how angry my black friends are about the Dunn one; the dude was simply overcharged and is going to get convicted of the actual murder when they charge him correctly) have given the black community another point to galvanize (especially since Obama basically fell in line with it) how 'racist' America is. I actually think racism is far less of a problem than in the past 50 years, with more and more people at large being less racist; however, because of situations like that, I'm just not convinced "race relations" have improved that much.
More troubling, I think (and this is from an outsiders perspective) is the intraracial prejudice we see evidenced by the treatment of non-liberal blacks in the United States.
I mean, I don't think I have it hard. I think its sad that I've experienced black kids not trusting me because their parents have told them not to trust white people. That just makes me sad. I know that's probably not a widespread thing, but it breaks my heart.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 14:54:43
Subject: Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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cincydooley wrote:
While I do think the Martin and Dunn outcomes (and I still don't understand how angry my black friends are about the Dunn one; the dude was simply overcharged and is going to get convicted of the actual murder when they charge him correctly) have given the black community another point to galvanize (especially since Obama basically fell in line with it) how 'racist' America is.
From the statements I have heard from jurors since the Dunn case, 3 of them actually think that there was nothing wrong with killing the kid and that he did act in self defense even though there was no gun. The only reason he was found guilty on the other charges was because they lived to drive away as he kept shooting. So even a lesser charge wouldn't do anything if 25% of the jurors already thought it was a valid case of self defense to begin with.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 14:58:41
Subject: Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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It is sad that black parents have to tell their kids to be careful around white people but given the perception that white people kill black kids with impunity ... I mean, that last part is a lot sadder than white folks having hurt feelings.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 15:03:42
Subject: Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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Manchu wrote:It is sad that black parents have to tell their kids to be careful around white people but given the perception that white people kill black kids with impunity ... I mean, that last part is a lot sadder than white folks having hurt feelings.
Wait... what?
That perception only exists because of hyper-sensationalism. Statistics are very clear that white on black murder is the lowest category of murders. If anything, black parents should be warning their kids to be careful around other black kids.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 15:06:07
Subject: Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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djones520 wrote: Manchu wrote:It is sad that black parents have to tell their kids to be careful around white people but given the perception that white people kill black kids with impunity ... I mean, that last part is a lot sadder than white folks having hurt feelings.
Wait... what?
White guy kills black kid because he doesn't like his music. Says it was because he was scared and lied about him having weapons and whatnot. Enough jurors believe him to get away with it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: djones520 wrote:
That perception only exists because of hyper-sensationalism. Statistics are very clear that white on black murder is the lowest category of murders. If anything, black parents should be warning their kids to be careful around other black kids.
Trust me, they know. The same statistics also make it clear that they will all go to jail for black violence.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 15:08:00
Subject: Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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Polonius wrote:Manchu wrote:I hope this doesn't turn into a "white people have it so hard" discussion or a "non-white people are the real racists" discussion.
cincydooley wrote:I don't think it's getting much better at all.
As we've seen with the Martin and Dunn cases, a large portion of black America is intent on emphatically stating that those two judgements have declared "open season" on black youth.
Coupled with the fact that any black American who's views align more with a conservative viewpoint is labeled an Uncle Tom And the fact that most whites are terrified to talk about race for fear of being blacklisted as a racist, and you've got an equation that hardly screams "better race relations."
timetowaste85 wrote: Kicker was, I'm white, everyone else was either black or Asian. I've got friends of just about every ethnicity, think racism is disgusting, and I was pretty upset at the treatment I got that I'm reasonably sure was due to the color of my skin and what town I was in.
Too late?
Way to miss the point. I was just as mad about this, as I was when the same thing happened to my black friend from a white waiter. Both were examples of racism, and therefore wrong. Of course I was upset by this discrimination against me. Wouldn't you be? That's common sense.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 15:10:21
Subject: Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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I don't know... I actually feel things are 'getting better' at a slower rate. It also may be I am now older and see more racism which I was oblivious to when I was younger.
First of all... 'White privilege' exists... same thing with 'Male privilege'. To deny it, perpetuates it. The simple fact that I can go anywhere in NYC, wearing whatever I want and have ZERO expectation to be stopped and frisked shows an inequity... And if I *WAS* stopped and frisked, there is a good chance I would have 'outrage' and be filing complaints and such. Why? because in the world I was raised in, things like that don't happen to me. There are others who are literally being stopped and frisked DAILY just going to work for no other reason but 'being black', and because they know how bad it is and the results of arguing with the police, they just accept it.
Here are two experiences I have had:
A group of us were on a road trip. We stopped at a gas station and while we were there, apparently it was being robbed. The police showed up, pulled their guns and their orders were "All Black people, lie down on the ground with your hands behind your head." They cuffed and rounded up 7 black people at the gas station and set them on the curb. 2 of which were my friends. The police didn't even care what we were doing there, who we were or anything simply because we were white. We tried to explain they were with us and they wouldn't have it. One of my friends argued and got punched in the face by the cop. They looked at the tape, talked to the shop keep and basically 'none' of the people they detained had anything to do with it, the robber was not even Black.
Everyone was let go, we left Georgia quickly. Of course, I in my privilege, I wanted justice, I wanted something to be done, make a complain't get a lawyer. At that point, I never understood why my friends simply 'let it go'. Now being older, I understand it more.
A more recent story... My parents are retiring to South Carolina. We have family there and everyone is 'so nice' down there. So they went to buy furniture and the guy at the furniture store was super nice and professional. He helped them out, did all this stuff, and they got what theyw anted. After all was said and done he asked them a question: "You don't seem to be from around here, are you from up north?" And my parents answered "Yes, we are from washington DC." He responded with, "I knew it. I want to tell you you were really great customers and I appreciate the respect you showed me. Often people refuse to shake hands with me, make eyecontact with me or even let me help them. If you ever need anything with your furniture when you are down here, please let me know." He was an older black man. I can tell that 'southern hospitality' only goes so far and only if you are white.
I am a white male. I am the 'default' in almost all aspects of society... To claim I do not have (and have not used) my privilege perpetuates that privilege. You would be surprised how much help it can be when you see someone being racist or treating someone poorly due to race simply 'stepping in' can do. I do not pretend things are 'better' and do realize things need to change. I also dislike when people claim 'I am colorblind, I don't see race' as that is impossible. If you see someone else being racist, then you see color through their actions. To be 'colorblind' is to not acknowledge racism exists, and in turn is a terrible position to take. You can claim to not take action or have biases based upon race, but to be blind to race and color is being blind to the inequities and disparity.
Other bullet points which I don't feel discussing further:
*Imperialist Europe is the direct cause for all the worlds major issues in the 20th century.
*The Prison system is broken, especially private prisons and are disproportionately unfair to minorities. White people only go to jail for child molestation in this country.
*One of the major reasons LGBT equality has made so much progress in such a short period of time is because a lot of the people who are being discriminated against grew up with 'white privilege' so being discriminated against as a homosexual generates more outrage as they feel they have lost the advantage they were raised to believe they deserve. And people have accepted them back into the 'privileged class' much faster than treating other groups with simple equality. You will find a huge divide between race civil rights people and LGBT Civil rights people and there is huge animosity. Also, The Black homosexual community is heavily discriminated against within the LGBT community.
While I do think things are 'better' from when I was a kid in the 80s and mixed race children were seen as bad, there is a lot of issues still going on, and it seems like progress has plateaued and arguably stagnated as society has said "eh, this is good enuff, they are pretty good but still we are better off so this is a nice place to be."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 15:12:03
Subject: Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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d-usa wrote: djones520 wrote: Manchu wrote:It is sad that black parents have to tell their kids to be careful around white people but given the perception that white people kill black kids with impunity ... I mean, that last part is a lot sadder than white folks having hurt feelings.
Wait... what?
White guy kills black kid because he doesn't like his music. Says it was because he was scared and lied about him having weapons and whatnot. Enough jurors believe him to get away with it.
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djones520 wrote:
That perception only exists because of hyper-sensationalism. Statistics are very clear that white on black murder is the lowest category of murders. If anything, black parents should be warning their kids to be careful around other black kids.
Trust me, they know. The same statistics also make it clear that they will all go to jail for black violence.
Cause spending the rest of his life in jail is getting away with it...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 15:12:27
Subject: Re:Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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I don't think it's fair to say "he got away with it". I'm working off the presupposition that the jury hung on Murder 1 because there is an element of premeditation there that I don't think existed (or more accurately, could be proved). If there is more information on how jurors felt postrial I am not aware of it (is there?). He will be retried and in my opinion convicted (and even if not, he's still going to die in prison). Justice deferred is not justice denied.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 15:13:44
Subject: Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Manchu wrote:It is sad that black parents have to tell their kids to be careful around white people but given the perception that white people kill black kids with impunity ... I mean, that last part is a lot sadder than white folks having hurt feelings.
And if I lived in the wards in Houston or East LA I'd be saying the same but opposite. Aint life grand?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 15:17:15
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djones520 wrote: Cause spending the rest of his life in jail is getting away with it... Not spending a single year in jail for killing him means that he got away with it. He was found not guilty of killing him. The fact that he is in prison for shooting at the other guys while they were driving away doesn't mean anything when it comes to the guy he actually killed. Automatically Appended Next Post: Ouze wrote:I don't think it's fair to say "he got away with it". I'm working off the presupposition that the jury hung on Murder 1 because there is an element of premeditation there that I don't think existed (or more accurately, could be proved). If there is more information on how jurors felt postrial I am not aware of it (is there?). He will be retried and in my opinion convicted (and even if not, he's still going to die in prison). Justice deferred is not justice denied. According to the fancy liberal bastion that is NPR this weekend: Jurors that talked to the media after the trial said that the case started out with two people thinking he had a valid self-defense claim, and by the end 3 of the jurors thought he had a valid self-defense claim. I was hoping (probably just wishful thinking) that they were just hung on the exactly what level to charge him with, but it seems that 3 of them honestly felt that he did nothing wrong. The only reason they convicted on the other charges was because he fired as the car drove away.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 15:20:11
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d-usa wrote: djones520 wrote:
Cause spending the rest of his life in jail is getting away with it...
Not spending a single year in jail for killing him means that he got away with it. He was found not guilty of killing him. The fact that he is in prison for shooting at the other guys while they were driving away doesn't mean anything when it comes to the guy he actually killed.
Agree... If the victim was in his car alone, Dunn would be free right now. That is a problem to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 15:23:46
Subject: Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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Is white man's burden or check your privelge on Dakka Dakka Bingo?
White guy kills black kid because he doesn't like his music. Says it was because he was scared and lied about him having weapons and whatnot. Enough jurors believe him to get away with it.
And this is the thing for me. We don't have bigotry in the US so much as we have a more subtle form of racism. A black guy walks into a store to buy a nice belt and the store calls the cops on him because... Because. SOme black kids in an SUV playing loud 'thug' music, probably up to no good anyway. White cops pull over a black guy to question him about his shoes cause they're too nice. President must secretly be a Muslim because he's from Kenya.
That stuff happens all the time. If we looked, we could probably pull a story like that from somewhere in the US once maybe twice a day.
I doubt the jurors in the Dunn case hate black people (unless they do XD), but his story was a load of BS worthy of COPS level humiliation. It makes you really question things when people buy into that crap.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 15:30:17
Subject: Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Interesting that one of the jurors interviewed was African American...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 15:34:16
Subject: Re:Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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Ouze wrote:I don't think it's fair to say "he got away with it". I'm working off the presupposition that the jury hung on Murder 1 because there is an element of premeditation there that I don't think existed (or more accurately, could be proved). If there is more information on how jurors felt postrial I am not aware of it (is there?). He will be retried and in my opinion convicted (and even if not, he's still going to die in prison). Justice deferred is not justice denied.
This is almost exactly where I stand on the situation myself
Also, exalt to nkelsch. Great post, brother.
Anyone claiming they're colorblind is foolish. We of course see color. I just can't personally fathom treating someone different based solely on their skin color. I also know that I'll never experience some of the outward prejudices they have to endure with, most specifically, police. If I were in uniform, I'd have a lot of trouble reconcilling my personal views with statistics on crime.
I count myself fortunate that I have a group of black friends willing to put up with my suburban white guy ignorances about black culture and know when I'm asking questions its really because I want to learn. Automatically Appended Next Post: d-usa wrote:
According to the fancy liberal bastion that is NPR this weekend: Jurors that talked to the media after the trial said that the case started out with two people thinking he had a valid self-defense claim, and by the end 3 of the jurors thought he had a valid self-defense claim.
I was hoping (probably just wishful thinking) that they were just hung on the exactly what level to charge him with, but it seems that 3 of them honestly felt that he did nothing wrong.
The only reason they convicted on the other charges was because he fired as the car drove away.
I feel like this is more an indictment of Florida's SYG laws (which I don't think I'm for, at least not in the form they exist in Florida).
Don't get me wrong: I actually think Dunn should have been charged with a hate crime (and yes, I know equating 'thug' to 'black' is a slippery slope, but I'm of the mind that for racist america, 'thug' has become a unjustifyably acceptable "november")
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 15:43:54
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OK, from people who use the term, why is it "African American?"
In other places the terms might be "of African origin", or just "black".
I've heard Americans visiting the UK refer to black people as African American, which is wrong for anyone living outside the States.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 15:51:36
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Skinnereal wrote:
OK, from people who use the term, why is it "African American?"
In other places the terms might be "of African origin", or just "black".
I've heard Americans visiting the UK refer to black people as African American, which is wrong for anyone living outside the States.
Good old liberal political correctness, my friend.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 15:53:47
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Skinnereal wrote: OK, from people who use the term, why is it "African American?" In other places the terms might be "of African origin", or just "black". It ends up having to do with differentiating the cultural heritage and actual ethnic origins of people. "Black" covers a whole lot of people, but it doesn't differentiate between somebody that has been in the country for one day or someone whose family has been here for 250 years. "African-American" most often refers to people that have been here for multiple generations, the majority of them arriving here through slavery. They are as American as you and me, and the only real connection to Africa is just the color of their skin, but they have a distinct culture that is separate from Caucasians. "African" or "African origin" are recent immigrants that are actually from Africa. They still have their own culture and customs from there and still have a very strong identity with where they are from. They might be citizens, they might just be here on a visa, they might be 2nd or 3rd generation even. But even after a generation or two there is still a cultural connection there. Both groups are "black", but they are as different from one another as they are from Caucasians. I don't know if there is a point where children of Africans self-identify more as African-Americans. (A very simplified explanation, but I hope it gets the point across).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 15:58:25
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nkelsch wrote:First of all... 'White privilege' exists... same thing with 'Male privilege'. To deny it, perpetuates it.
Exactly. If the conversation doesn't begin here then we're wasting time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 16:17:52
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Skinnereal wrote: OK, from people who use the term, why is it "African American?" In other places the terms might be "of African origin", or just "black". I've heard Americans visiting the UK refer to black people as African American, which is wrong for anyone living outside the States.
Because thats the current term. To use otherwise is either uncool or racist. I don't make the rules. I just work here. As an aside, after listening to the juror I can understand why they didn't get murder one (or whatever ther term is there). Whew, she was an idiot... Automatically Appended Next Post: Manchu wrote:nkelsch wrote:First of all... 'White privilege' exists... same thing with 'Male privilege'. To deny it, perpetuates it.
Exactly. If the conversation doesn't begin here then we're wasting time.
Then we're wasting time. White/black issues are from 70 years ago. The nation has moved on. We're a true mongrol nation (to use the word from another thread but in its correct context). Also I should note, its not White privilege, its rich privilege. Remember you pureblood nations, its those smelly Heinz 57 mutts that have the best genes! We've Slavs, Germans, Indians, Mexicans, Mestizos, Yucatan Mayan, Japanese, Czech, CHinese, Vietnamese, Hmong, Congolese, Egyptian, Zulu, Ghanan, Ugandan, Malaysian, Spanish, Argentinian, Brazilian, Aztec, Incan, and pasty UK folk. and one surviving nenderthal.  America Hurr!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 16:25:22
Subject: Re:Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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Cheesecat wrote: sebster wrote: whembly wrote:I think it's sensationalized in the media... as evidenced by the recent Zimmerman / Dunn trials. If anything I see more "tribal" discrimination than "racial" discrimination these days... It's certainly sensationalised in the media, who give lots of screen time to the people who's job it is to make outrageous comments about race, whilefor the most part people just keep on going about their lives. The days of lynchings after a black guy wins the heavyweight title are long behind us. What do you mean by 'tribal' racism? I'm assuming he means ethnicity.
Not "tribal racism"... "tribal discrimination". Or, really... discrimination in general that has nothing to do with skin (racial) color. Automatically Appended Next Post: Jihadin as the right of it... My G' pa said succinttly... skin both a white man and a black man... looks the same eh? Automatically Appended Next Post: Manchu wrote:nkelsch wrote:First of all... 'White privilege' exists... same thing with 'Male privilege'. To deny it, perpetuates it.
Exactly. If the conversation doesn't begin here then we're wasting time.
O.o Then we're wasting time. We're a nation of mutts... it's time everyone recognize it and deal with it. EDIT: ninja'ed a loooog time ago by Frazzled. Should've read to the end of the post before posting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 16:38:34
Subject: Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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Cruel Corsair
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trexmeyer wrote: I can't say if reverse racism actually exists at an institutionalized level. It certainly exists at a micro level. "Reverse racism" doesn't exist. You are either racist or you are not. I agree,I think the term "Reverse Racism" is nonsense It basically states that racism can then be only perpetrated by white people. That is not the case can assure you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 16:41:45
Subject: Re:Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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whembly wrote:
We're a nation of mutts... it's time everyone recognize it and deal with it.
EDIT: ninja'ed a loooog time ago by Frazzled. Should've read to the end of the post before posting.
But people don't recognize or deal with it... And while it is a nice dream, we are not there yet. To deny the situation as it is now is to reinforce it.
While people are 'mutts' and the idea of your exact heritage is not a reality anymore, People are being judged, treated differently, discriminated against, hated and other actions based upon nothing but their skincolor and not because their heritage. It does exist, it does happen, and lighter your skin, the better you are treated and the more opportunities are open to you. While being rich carries its own set of privilege in our society, skincolor and gender are two which cannot be hidden while things like sexual orientation and wealth are not always 'visible' for people to make their snap judgments and act upon or discriminate against.
And you can claim it is economic, but that is not true as time and time again, poor whites can exercise privilege and rich blacks are discriminated against. While there are a lot of economic lines which parallel race to say the race component is 'gone' and it is pure economic is simply not true especially when race is part of what causes those economic lines.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 16:49:27
Subject: Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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Cruel Corsair
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Manchu wrote:nkelsch wrote:First of all... 'White privilege' exists... same thing with 'Male privilege'. To deny it, perpetuates it.
Exactly. If the conversation doesn't begin here then we're wasting time.
I think it is hilarious when privileged people feel like they are being persecuted. Especially when they turn around and start pointing the fingers at minority groups in the country , more of a religious thing but i've seen some horrible stuff pointed towards muslims. Crazy medieval style crap which then deteriorated to iunfighting between the christians about who's version of the bible is correct. I was dumb founded , I was raised with the understanding that all humans are equal and deserve the right to be who they are... I thought this was the land of the free and home of the brave not land of the ignorant and the land of cowards. That's what racism is hate bred by ignorance and fear.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 16:51:02
Subject: Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Statements without sourcing. Who's white any more? Who's black? Who's brown? Obama? Zimmerman? Moral of the story, don't play rap music really now next to a drunk, because he might be crazy too.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 16:57:16
Subject: Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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Frazzled wrote:
Moral of the story, don't play rap music really now next to a drunk, because he might be crazy too.
Don't be a drunk while you have access to a gun.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 17:03:46
Subject: Re:Are race relations deteriorating in America or is just in the internet?
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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nkelsch wrote: whembly wrote:
We're a nation of mutts... it's time everyone recognize it and deal with it.
EDIT: ninja'ed a loooog time ago by Frazzled. Should've read to the end of the post before posting.
But people don't recognize or deal with it... And while it is a nice dream, we are not there yet. To deny the situation as it is now is to reinforce it.
While people are 'mutts' and the idea of your exact heritage is not a reality anymore, People are being judged, treated differently, discriminated against, hated and other actions based upon nothing but their skincolor and not because their heritage. It does exist, it does happen, and lighter your skin, the better you are treated and the more opportunities are open to you. While being rich carries its own set of privilege in our society, skincolor and gender are two which cannot be hidden while things like sexual orientation and wealth are not always 'visible' for people to make their snap judgments and act upon or discriminate against.
And you can claim it is economic, but that is not true as time and time again, poor whites can exercise privilege and rich blacks are discriminated against. While there are a lot of economic lines which parallel race to say the race component is 'gone' and it is pure economic is simply not true especially when race is part of what causes those economic lines.
Me thinks you haven't been around the poor whites in appalachia....
Can't we all agree that donkey-caves exists?
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