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Can't we all agree that donkey-caves exists?

I'm afraid the Dakka Assembly is dead locked. The only motioned passed were Justin Beiber should be deported back to Canada, ex-Felons should be allowed to vote, and that Blaming the Victim is acceptable (the final motion barely passed).

 whembly wrote:

Me thinks you haven't been around the poor whites in appalachia....

You would be super wrong. Going to school in a poor coal mining town in the middle of the appalachias and seeing over the past 15 years the negative reaction to see their little state college grow into a more diverse campus. These people are poor, uneducated, barley survive and almost all income comes from the college, but yet they still discriminate and complain about having blacks in their town because of the college. That area still runs on the good old boy system which is drawn purely on race lines.

Now elsewhere, in WV where I have had property for 10 years, It is different, but similar. Lots of poor whites, almost no minorities, but basically the service and trade of that area basically is 'everyone knows everyone'. And if you are not white, not only can you not get anyone to help you, but literally no one will help you. They will turn away business from paying customers based upon skin color, and other people who may not have an issue are afraid to take that work out of fear of retaliation from the rest of the town. But they *love* me because I am white and need services. I have a handyman who handles a lot of my stuff and basically he often has to do work in secret for people out of fear of retaliation for helping specific minorities. People are too proud (ignorant) to take work because they don't want to fix a black man's plumbing.

Oh, And good luck driving down mainstreet with out of state tags and being black. I had an event with like 30-40 people at my house and literally 100% of my friends who were black got 'pulled over' and K9 sniffed for drugs on main street. I literally have to give them different directions to my house to avoid mayberry cops. They sit in the main intersection in town and basically waive people over 'at random' for drug sniffing. "random"

Can't we all agree that donkey-caves exists?

Yeah, donkey-caves exist. Denying that society still sees and acts based upon race and that people who are the 'default' are treated 'better' helps keep those donkey-caves going strong.

nkelsch wrote:

 whembly wrote:

Me thinks you haven't been around the poor whites in appalachia....

You would be super wrong. Going to school in a poor coal mining town in the middle of the appalachias and seeing over the past 15 years the negative reaction to see their little state college grow into a more diverse campus. These people are poor, uneducated, barley survive and almost all income comes from the college, but yet they still discriminate and complain about having blacks in their town because of the college. That area still runs on the good old boy system which is drawn purely on race lines.

Now elsewhere, in WV where I have had property for 10 years, It is different, but similar. Lots of poor whites, almost no minorities, but basically the service and trade of that area basically is 'everyone knows everyone'. And if you are not white, not only can you not get anyone to help you, but literally no one will help you. They will turn away business from paying customers based upon skin color, and other people who may not have an issue are afraid to take that work out of fear of retaliation from the rest of the town. But they *love* me because I am white and need services. I have a handyman who handles a lot of my stuff and basically he often has to do work in secret for people out of fear of retaliation for helping specific minorities. People are too proud (ignorant) to take work because they don't want to fix a black man's plumbing.

Then I stand corrected... I apologize for being presumptuous.

Can't we all agree that donkey-caves exists?

Yeah, donkey-caves exist. Denying that society still sees and acts based upon race and that people who are the 'default' are treated 'better' helps keep those donkey-caves going strong.

I disagree... donkey-caves will ALWAYS find a reason to be donkey-caves.

 whembly wrote:


Yeah, donkey-caves exist. Denying that society still sees and acts based upon race and that people who are the 'default' are treated 'better' helps keep those donkey-caves going strong.
I disagree... donkey-caves will ALWAYS find a reason to be donkey-caves.

But I could say:

"Ahhh, Those Plumbers were probably really busy"
"Ahhhhhhh, It was probably just random pulling over, if you have nothing to hide, what is the big deal?"
"Ahhhhhhh, Judging college students on their actions is probably valid, I don't think they are doing it along race... I mean They just don't want to hear 'thug' music in their town and those kids are 'bad guests' in their town."

I am denying there is an issue and justifying the actions of donkey-caves by pretending that these actions are not based upon pure ignorant race-based judgements. And then those who are simply not impacted go along pretending nothing is wrong.

"Everyone in town is great! I get plumbers out same day!"
"Oh, I never get pulled over, they are just doing their job, I feel safer!"
"This town loves its kids! I feel like the entire town takes care of us college students and gives us deals and is happy to see us!"

BAM! I have just made racism not exist anymore! And now all those 'donkey-caves' are nice, happy members of society doing nothing wrong. Nothing to see here!

Unless you are black, but that becomes your issue.

nkelsch wrote:

 whembly wrote:


Yeah, donkey-caves exist. Denying that society still sees and acts based upon race and that people who are the 'default' are treated 'better' helps keep those donkey-caves going strong.
I disagree... donkey-caves will ALWAYS find a reason to be donkey-caves.

But I could say:

"Ahhh, Those Plumbers were probably really busy"
"Ahhhhhhh, It was probably just random pulling over, if you have nothing to hide, what is the big deal?"
"Ahhhhhhh, Judging college students on their actions is probably valid, I don't think they are doing it along race... I mean They just don't want to hear 'thug' music in their town and those kids are 'bad guests' in their town."

I am denying there is an issue and justifying the actions of donkey-caves by pretending that these actions are not based upon pure ignorant race-based judgements. And then those who are simply not impacted go along pretending nothing is wrong.

"Everyone in town is great! I get plumbers out same day!"
"Oh, I never get pulled over, they are just doing their job, I feel safer!"
"This town loves its kids! I feel like the entire town takes care of us college students and gives us deals and is happy to see us!"

BAM! I have just made racism not exist anymore! And now all those 'donkey-caves' are nice, happy members of society doing nothing wrong. Nothing to see here!

Unless you are black, but that becomes your issue.

Where did I say racism doesn't exist? o.O

 LordofHats wrote:

Can't we all agree that donkey-caves exists?

I'm afraid the Dakka Assembly is dead locked. The only motioned passed were Justin Beiber should be deported back to Canada, ex-Felons should be allowed to vote, and that Blaming the Victim is acceptable (the final motion barely passed).

Did we agree on blaming the victim? I feel like there were some riders attached....

I might have porked in a new bylaw concerning the validity of visors as hats but that's not important. Nothing to see here move along.

 whembly wrote:

nkelsch wrote:

 whembly wrote:


Yeah, donkey-caves exist. Denying that society still sees and acts based upon race and that people who are the 'default' are treated 'better' helps keep those donkey-caves going strong.
I disagree... donkey-caves will ALWAYS find a reason to be donkey-caves.

But I could say:

"Ahhh, Those Plumbers were probably really busy"
"Ahhhhhhh, It was probably just random pulling over, if you have nothing to hide, what is the big deal?"
"Ahhhhhhh, Judging college students on their actions is probably valid, I don't think they are doing it along race... I mean They just don't want to hear 'thug' music in their town and those kids are 'bad guests' in their town."

I am denying there is an issue and justifying the actions of donkey-caves by pretending that these actions are not based upon pure ignorant race-based judgements. And then those who are simply not impacted go along pretending nothing is wrong.

"Everyone in town is great! I get plumbers out same day!"
"Oh, I never get pulled over, they are just doing their job, I feel safer!"
"This town loves its kids! I feel like the entire town takes care of us college students and gives us deals and is happy to see us!"

BAM! I have just made racism not exist anymore! And now all those 'donkey-caves' are nice, happy members of society doing nothing wrong. Nothing to see here!

Unless you are black, but that becomes your issue.

Where did I say racism doesn't exist? o.O

But trying to deny 'white privilege' doesn't exist... If people are being discriminated against because they are black, then that means 'someone else' is 'not being discriminated against' because they are 'not black'. Hence being society's default gives you a privileged existence. Denying that privilege exists is the same as denying the discrimination exists.

 d-usa wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

Moral of the story, don't play rap music really now next to a drunk, because he might be crazy too.

Don't be a drunk while you have access to a gun.

I would take that as a maxim, unless you're a Bandido of course, in which case it is required.

I'm sure most of you are familiar with the claims that Jesus was a black man and that the ancient Egyptians were also black.

Well, Jesus certainly wasn't white either, and there certainly were black Egyptians, the idea that the empire was composed of people of a uniform ethnic background is pretty silly considering its history.

My waitress in a restaurant in Hackensack, NJ spent the entire evening ignoring me, and spent the whole time flirting with two guys at another table. Took her 15 minutes to come take my order AFTER someone told her to, she asked me once how everything was, never refilled my water, and didn't even wish me a good night after she brought the check. Just dropped it and left to go flirt with the other guys. And take care of her one other table. Kicker was, I'm white, everyone else was either black or Asian. I've got friends of just about every ethnicity, think racism is disgusting, and I was pretty upset at the treatment I got that I'm reasonably sure was due to the color of my skin and what town I was in.

Hackensack? For real dude? LOL Hackensack is like half white. No the real issue is that you're from Connecticut, it seems New Jerseyans instinctively sense Connecti***** in their vicinity, and generally don't care much for your state or the people that live there... the sad thing is that though I'm (mostly) being humorous, this is something that seems to actually be somewhat true based on my own personal experiences.

In any case, race is a self-perpetuating myth. There is no scientific basis for 'race', its entirely a social construct founded entirely on hate and discrimination. This will probably start a shitstorm, but i'm just going to say that the reactionary approach taken by the victims of racism is probably just as bad as racism, for altogether different reasons... primarily because it continues to perpetuate the concept of race, as well as feeding into the us versus them mentality that is at the heart of the problem.

Also this:

nkelsch wrote:

But trying to deny 'white privilege' doesn't exist... If people are being discriminated against because they are black, then that means 'someone else' is 'not being discriminated against' because they are 'not black'. Hence being society's default gives you a privileged existence. Denying that privilege exists is the same as denying the discrimination exists.

False. Absolutely false.

But, your arguments now makes sense.

 whembly wrote:

nkelsch wrote:

But trying to deny 'white privilege' doesn't exist... If people are being discriminated against because they are black, then that means 'someone else' is 'not being discriminated against' because they are 'not black'. Hence being society's default gives you a privileged existence. Denying that privilege exists is the same as denying the discrimination exists.

False. Absolutely false.

But, your arguments now makes sense.

Isn't being free from most discrimination a privilege?

Again perceptions has changed on me....saying "Donkey Caves" means to me a supply point in the mountains for insurgents. Supplies were brought in by donkey's.

Its like the word "Illegal" Alien is now not P.C.

I do not care if JC is Caucasian, Egyptian tan, Roman white, Arabic tan, Jewish tinted, Spanish shade of tan, or Gaul naked. He bleed red right?

He bleed red right?

Supposedly he bled water

 Jihadin wrote:

I do not care if JC is Caucasian, Egyptian tan, Roman white, Arabic tan, Jewish tinted, Spanish shade of tan, or Gaul naked. He bleed red right?

Similarly, both black people and white people are the same color, if you just cut deep enough.

Seen both type shot....since I'm half asian....three types...we all bleed red...wait we had one Hispanic that got his finger caught in the SAW when the bolt went forward...so four...even the Insurgents bleed red..one big thing about it...we were all linked by the same cause/purpose/battle buddies.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

nkelsch wrote:
First of all... 'White privilege' exists... same thing with 'Male privilege'. To deny it, perpetuates it.

Exactly. If the conversation doesn't begin here then we're wasting time.

Then we're wasting time. White/black issues are from 70 years ago. The nation has moved on.

 whembly wrote:
O.o

Then we're wasting time.

We're a nation of mutts... it's time everyone recognize it and deal with it.

You hear that everyone?? This country finally got through racism!!!I thought we would have at least had a parade or something right?

Frazzled, whembly: Back under your bridges please.

If I hate and despise Insurgents does that mean I am racist towards Middle East peeps?

Frazzled, whembly: Back under your bridges please.

I'm thinking the guys celebrating the genetic and cultural hybridization of the USA are not the ones being a troll...

Hybrids...bah...hate them on the roads...freaking drivers don't pay attention

 Jihadin wrote:
If I hate and despise Insurgents does that mean I am racist towards Middle East peeps?

What do you think the answer to that question is and why?

 Frazzled wrote:

Frazzled, whembly: Back under your bridges please.

I'm thinking the guys celebrating the genetic and cultural hybridization of the USA are not the ones being a troll...

Is that what you call denying the existence of white privilege and male privilege in the US?

chaos0xomega wrote:

Son I like what you've done here.


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 Manchu wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
If I hate and despise Insurgents does that mean I am racist towards Middle East peeps?

What do you think the answer to that question is and why?

 Frazzled wrote:

Frazzled, whembly: Back under your bridges please.

I'm thinking the guys celebrating the genetic and cultural hybridization of the USA are not the ones being a troll...

Is that what you call denying the existence of white privilege and male privilege in the US?

How McCarthylike like of you. " Are you now or have you ever been a member of Racist Party?"

Believe in my way or be a racist. It must be heavenly to live in a cacoon that brooks no doubt of your established dogma.

To actually answer the OP, I'm going to give the most stereotypical liberal arts answer possible: it's complicated.

At this point, overt bigotry is one of our culture few taboos. On of the first things anybody with a juvenile sensibility does when freed from consequences is engage in taboos, so the internet is going to be full of racist (and homophobic/sexist) slurs. It's a cheap and easy troll. So I don't know how much I'd read into that.

On a broader level, that taboo has made it very difficult to actually talk about racism. Everybody has done a part here, from hypersensitive minority groups to white people that seem to think that since they got over racism, so should everybody else.

I think that our hope is to teach younger generations that tolerance is a virtue, not that bigotry is a taboo. Right now, I think a large chunk of the population is worried about being perceived as racist, but not overly concerned about actual racial issues.

Of course, any racial conversation is eventually going to lead to a tough talk about money. White people (and asians) have most of it, black people (and many hispanics*) have almost none. So, for white people, we actually don't want to have any sort of serious dialogue, because it will mean losing wealth.


* I am aware that hispanics are not a race, but in any serious discussion about race, you have to include them. Also, most mestizos have notably different skin tone from those of only european descent. They also identify as a race, and not as white and/or mixed.

Thank you kindly Frazzled *bows*

Polonius - I think the best place to start would be to educate *IN SCHOOLS* that race ISN'T A REAL THING.

Fair points there, Polonius.

 Frazzled wrote:
How McCarthylike like of you. " Are you now or have you ever been a member of Racist Party?"

Believe in my way or be a racist. It must be heavenly to live in a cacoon that brooks no doubt of your established dogma.

You think that I am saying: "only racists reject the notion that racism is currently a problem in the US"?

Well, not really. Someone who thinks racism is not currently a problem in the US might not be a racist. She or he might simply be completely out of touch with reality. But those aren't mutually exclusive characteristics. In fact, being out of touch and being racist pretty commonly go together.

But to your point, I do think it's a very strong sign of racism to argue that racism isn't a problem.

I laughed a little too hard at the Dynamite Hack version of Boyz in the Hood. I don't know if that's racist or a sign of being easily amused.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Thank you kindly Frazzled *bows*

Polonius - I think the best place to start would be to educate *IN SCHOOLS* that race ISN'T A REAL THING.

Don't ever confuse "socially constructed" with not real.

But to your point, I do think it's a very strong sign of racism to argue that racism isn't a problem.

The only person who posted that on the thread so far, is you.

Alright, fair enough, still it would really be of great benefit to society if they were educated in the reality that race has no true scientific basis/its a social construct. Thinking back to my own education, they tell us that racism is derived from things like social darwinism and earlier movements, etc. and that its wrong to think of people of other races as being inferior, because we're all human, etc. but they DON'T ever actually go so far as to refute the concept of race (or at least explain that it is simply a social construct developed at some point in the past based on fake science similar to the aforementioned social darwinism).

Also, Manchu, why you delete my meme??!? :(