Is anyone else REALLY HAPPY about the way GW is doing things in 40K right now?

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**Abandon**

insaniak wrote:As a tournament player in an area where comp is largely still in use, the current abandonment of balance is irritating, as it limits what I can and can't use and reduces the number of different armies in use.

As a casual player, it's equally irritating, because there are certain units and combos that I'm going to feel bad for showing up with in a casual game.

So in a game where, given the current release rate, variety should be increasing, the lack of balance it's must having the opposite effect.

So no, not a fan. I like big models. I have no problem with them being included in standard games. But I want rules that don't make me feel bad for choosing to use certain units.

My objections to GW are mostly in principle as everything they have done is such an obvious money grab. Imbalance is just a part of it forcing everyone to adjust their armies and thereby often having to buy new models. Allies means people will diversify more(and often need to do so to account for the imbalance) and spend more money. Additional material coming out frequently that must also be purchased... oh and you'll need to models for those to... and we don't want to spend a lot of money so we're not gonna be to picky about the making the rules work or the quality of the fluff. New rules is where the money is at so they just keep making them without ever fixing any of the problems they might create... New, new, new, more, more, more profit! fixing things is a waist of resources that could be used for more profit...

Now I don't object to the company making money, in fact I want it to succeed but when the quality of the game is sacrificed for greed they become just another marketing scheme taking advantage of a dedicated consumer base. It's reprehensible.

If other people want to donate to this scheme that's their choice but I don't respect this company and until they start behaving themselves I will not be giving them any money. I don't reward bad behavior if I can help it.

So no, not happy here either.

**Sir Arun**

themadlbb wrote:
Games Workshop had always had its issues. I've been in the hobby for over fifteen years now, and I absolutely have been frustrated by the company.

However, I have to say that I am actually really, really happy with how things have been going recently. I was always a bit upset at the speed of their rules and model updates, and we've been getting those with so much more speed in the past year. I was also always a bit grumpy about the fact that there were so many restrictions on the awesome models I could and could not use in games, looking at the craziness on FW and thinking that I would never actually get a chance to field some super-heavy monstrosity. Now, I absolutely can whenever I'd like!

There has also been a trend towards allowing big, exciting, scary units into armies. I could not be more thrilled. Please, please keep them coming! Riptides, Wraithknights, Deathknights, and Now Imperial Knights are all now going to be regularly fielded in games. The Tyranid releases looked amazing as well, and we finally got flyers that shook up the dynamic of the game and added new elements of strategy. I have literally never been more excited about 40k! In fact, though I see some people say that these changes were driving them away, it has really drawn me back in! The quality of the models, the scale and power in even common games, the horrifying monstrosities you get to bring down. It's just...so cool.

I'll just end it here, but I could go on. Hope you don't mind this minor inclusion of optimism into the grimdarkery of your grimdark future.

P.S. I'm not blind to rule-balance issues and blatantly silly things. Serpent Shields are absolutely silly and do not fit at all. Rerollable 2++ is clearly broken. I'm just saying that funky rules issues and broken units have always and will always exist, but in general things are better now than ever in my opinion.

halfway through the post started wondering whether OP is being serious or genuine sarcasm...apparently OP *is* serious...

**Swastakowey**

I reallly like it. I like it because it gives me the options to do whatever I please. I havent purchased anything but my codex and rule book, and thats almost all i use. I use other companies models and so forth. The only thing I dont like is the price.

Other than more options are better. More excuses to find cool models on the feild provided they fit in a small game of 500-1000 points.

I find players are the problem not the game.

It seems to be getting better.

**Hive Fleet Cerberus**

My only real issue is with the imperial knights. You cant have an army of OP super-tanks. The Space marines are OP enough, we dont need this. Seriously, burn this gak for heresy.

**Ouze**

I can't speak for the rules so I won't, but I like the new Knight models quite a bit.

**BrotherVord**

Love the large units, hate the price.

I bought a knight today from my flgs at retail cost just to show support to them. All other purchases come from ebay.

I like most of the new models lately, especially the knight, but the prices have been wholly unjustifiable for years. Luckily I make a lot of money to support my addiction

**Hive Fleet Cerberus**

Ouze wrote:
I can't speak for the rules so I won't, but I like the new Knight models quite a bit.

Oh, the models look amazing. Would look amazing in any gaming shop display case.

**wuestenfux**

Well, I also find the trend a bit irritating turning each 40k game into a small apocalypse battle. Where does this lead to in terms of tournament play?

Another issue is the flood of information in form of dataslates, supplements, and other add-ons which is hard to keep up if you can't spend all day with 40k.

**Sir Arun**

Something I hate most is facing an opponent who is fielding stuff I dont even have the faintest clue about, and then losing.

Losing to an army you know well isnt bad at all because it allows you to reflect on the tactical errors you made, or "how obvious" or predictable his victory was going to be after a certain stage of the game had been reached etc.

It's when you have no idea what to shoot or assault with your units and what special rules they'll pull out of their sleeve in response is what makes me pull my hair out.

And the accelerated GW release schedule isnt helping.

**wuestenfux**

Sir Arun wrote:
Something I hate most is facing an opponent who is fielding stuff I dont even have the faintest clue about, and then losing.

Losing to an army you know well isnt bad at all because it allows you to reflect on the tactical errors you made, or "how obvious" or predictable his victory was going to be after a certain stage of the game had been reached etc.

It's when you have no idea what to shoot or assault with your units and what special rules they'll pull out of their sleeve in response is what makes me pull my hair out.

And the accelerated GW release schedule isnt helping.

Well, playing regularly 40k requires being up-to-date when it comes to new releases of whatever kind.

However, at the moment, this is not easy to achieve if you can't celebrete the hobby all day long.

**Aleph-Sama**

I'm happy with the 6th edition rules. But all this hubub about big things like knights don't bother me. I like the 750 point level. Keeps the cheese to a minimum, and is far more tactical, the board isn't overcrowded, and if there is a lot of terrain it's even better. Lower points are also WAY better if you want to get fiends into the game as well. People crap themselves when I say how much I've spent on an army, but at 750 or 500 it usually doesn't break $300, WITH the codex! That, and I bought the starter set to teach friends how to play without having to buy it themselves (roommate was notorious for getting others to buy the starter set then mooch the chaos off of them, cheap dirtbag). Smaller points are less daunting, more balanced, cheaper, and faster to play than the semi-apocalyptic 1500-2000 point range.

Oh, and nowhere but tournaments were superheavies restricted BEFORE escalation. It's called, if I recall correctly, forging a narrative. All Escalation does is gak on tournaments, not casual play. There are no obligations to play by the book, or even play at all in a casual setting.

**Mr Morden**

Voodoo_Chile wrote:
Honestly my main complaint with GW is that they have just given up on FAQs. I understand they do not appear to see any profit in a consistent ruleset but it is taking the piss that we're 11 months since we had a proper update to the FAQs.

However I don't think anything good can come of this thread and I'm bailing here.

Pretty much the same

I like alot of the things about 6th Ed - if they spent a bit of time fixing the borken stuff or calrifying some of the rules it would be even better.

Much happier with the speed of the releases - although I wish they would add a bit more to ones like Inquisiton to give us all the stuff we want

**TheNightWillEnd**

Well, I have to compartmentalize my enjoyment of GW's products and what I think are basic good and bad business practices.

On the former, I have qualms about 40k, all of which have been mentioned in this thread before. On the latter, I'm mostly annoyed about how they make so many unnecessary dumb business moves and have so many self-defeating policies. I would understand if it was pure money grubbing, but it actually loses them money in the end, and it's those things that annoy me the most.

Pre-ordering digital releases? What, are you fearing that you might run out of 1's and 0's?

Having bundle packages on the GW site that are the exact sum total of all of those units individually? Right, why actually encourage people to buy more?

When I see those sorts of things, I feel like someone is saying to my face that they think I am a fething idiot.

**Sir Arun**

Aleph-Sama wrote:
Lower points are also WAY better if you want to get fiends into the game as well.

Getting fiends into the game is not a particularly good idea

**Aleph-Sama**

Sir Arun wrote:
Aleph-Sama wrote:
Lower points are also WAY better if you want to get fiends into the game as well.

Getting fiends into the game is not a particularly good idea

Oh, but of course it is!

More friends means more games! Oh, and there is a tavern in my area that has Wargaming tables, so friends+40k+alcohol+food= great times!

**Sir Arun**

**Aleph-Sama**

Sir Arun wrote:

You good sir, may have an exalt!

**darkcloak**

Honestly just bring the prices down a bit and keep them there and I`ll be happy. I`ve never played anything but 6th so I don`t have all these old rules and such floating around in my head. I do see some things that I would do differently if it were me, like all the supplements and dataslates, but for the most part I`m happy with the games that I play on my table. Sometimes we have rules disputes and such but for the most part we can solve them. We play a very strict RAW in my house and it`s been pretty smooth sailing so far.

**BLADERIKER**

I must admit that the FAQ's could use some loving as there are some issues that need to be addressed, but I like the direction I see GW taking 40K in. Yes the marketing concept of allowing players to take super-heavy's in normal 40K makes sense if your trying to sell $150+ models, but sucks if you do not want to play against a Str-D blast weapon. The speed in which GW is releasing codex's is fine and many of the new models are both esthetically pleasing and functional in many formats.

As for driving up the point cost in games, I might add that in many WHF games the normal point limit is around 2500-2750, for most games played in and around the area I live in. I for one do not fear a 2500 point game or a super-heavy being brought in a 1500+ point game. If I do not possess the necessary weapons to kill it in one round of shooting or come close, then I may need to rethink my list, still there are so many ways to counter a 500+ point model from all of the newly updated codex's that IMO it is not all that bad.

I know and fully understand, that there are always going to those that are resistant to change, (Much like myself and wire-less mice) Still GW is in the business of selling models and so long as we are willing to buy them GW will keep doing what they do.

**insaniak**

BLADERIKER wrote:
..., still there are so many ways to counter a 500+ point model from all of the newly updated codex's that IMO it is not all that bad.

That's great, if you're using one of the 6th edition codexes. And if you're only facing a single super-heavy.

Codex Knights just broke the game. Unless you are writing an army list specifically to go against an army of superheavies, three-quarters of your army just became completely redundant. You're effectively playing a game with a fraction of the points limit.

There is no way that's a positive direction for the game to be going in.

**BLADERIKER**

I relish the chance to defeat 5+ knights in a game as I have no issue in bringing Super-heavys myself, or barring that option using my battle field to my advantage, that is half the fun of this game, adapting to the changes. This is very much a version of Natural Selection, and I can adapt.

**insaniak**

BLADERIKER wrote:
I relish the chance to defeat 5+ knights in a game as I have no issue in bringing Super-heavys myself, or barring that option using my battle field to my advantage, that is half the fun of this game, adapting to the changes. This is very much a version of Natural Selection, and I can adapt.

I'm curious as to just how you plan to 'use the battlefield' to make your basic troops suddenly not be useless against an entire army of armour 13 walkers...

**Stormonu**

If GW would cut prices by about 20% I think I'd be set. I'm not into competition gaming and the games I've been in ('round about 1250 pt battles) have been fine rule-wise. Even the recent game with Tyranids.

**Sir Arun**

Isnt it fairly easy to bog down an Imperial Knight by...say...a Templar blob? Okay they need to be in a transport to get there (preferably a Land Raider, which the Knight will have difficulty cracking from range, plus they can assault out of it) and with 2 powerfists (one on sarge, one on another initiate) and a melta and a combi-melta on the sarge, the squad could take one down as the Knight doesnt have an invulnerable save in CC.

Plus it only has a handful of attacks with its D weapon and it needs to roll to-hit, so it'll insta-kill 1-2 guys per cc-round? That's 28 points per round.

Stormonu wrote:
If GW would cut prices by about 20% I think I'd be set. I'm not into competition gaming and the games I've been in ('round about 1250 pt battles) have been fine rule-wise. Even the recent game with Tyranids.

buy at 20% off discount stores

**AllSeeingSkink**

insaniak wrote:
BLADERIKER wrote:
..., still there are so many ways to counter a 500+ point model from all of the newly updated codex's that IMO it is not all that bad.

That's great, if you're using one of the 6th edition codexes. And if you're only facing a single super-heavy.

Unless you're Tyranids. Tyranids are screwed, lol.

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Sir Arun wrote:
Isnt it fairly easy to bog down an Imperial Knight by...say...a Templar blob? Okay they need to be in a transport to get there (preferably a Land Raider, which the Knight will have difficulty cracking from range, plus they can assault out of it) and with 2 powerfists (one on sarge, one on another initiate) and a melta and a combi-melta on the sarge, the squad could take one down as the Knight doesnt have an invulnerable save in CC.

Plus it only has a handful of attacks with its D weapon and it needs to roll to-hit, so it'll insta-kill 1-2 guys per cc-round? That's 28 points per round.

The Knight is a Superheavy walker. Superheavy walkers have a "stomp" attack.

I think fighting 5 Knights will be a pain just because a lot of armies will struggle to kill them. Armies that can do easy glances should be fine though.

Fighting against 3 Knights and an IG army will probably be more scary. A Knight moves 12" and with lots of IG infantry around to use as strategic bubble wrap, it will be harder to deal with them for a lot of armies.

**SRSFACE**

Sir Arun wrote:
Isnt it fairly easy to bog down an Imperial Knight by...say...a Templar blob? Okay they need to be in a transport to get there (preferably a Land Raider, which the Knight will have difficulty cracking from range, plus they can assault out of it) and with 2 powerfists (one on sarge, one on another initiate) and a melta and a combi-melta on the sarge, the squad could take one down as the Knight doesnt have an invulnerable save in CC.

Plus it only has a handful of attacks with its D weapon and it needs to roll to-hit, so it'll insta-kill 1-2 guys per cc-round? That's 28 points per round.

Don't forget it's stomp attacks.

I also don't think you'd have too much of an issue taking out a land raider in an army featuring knights. The thermal cannon on a knight errant probably kills it from 18" away. Granted that's pretty close to it which can be a hassle for the knight, but it'd take some pretty epic bad rolling to not pen the LR.

Besides, knights are only 370 points. That's ludicrous. It's cheaper than 10 terminators and is significantly more dangerous and hard to kill. Stupid. Totally stupid.

**PrinceRaven**

Sir Arun wrote:
Isnt it fairly easy to bog down an Imperial Knight by...say...a Templar blob?

Do Templar blobs move 12 inches a turn?

**Sir Arun**

PrinceRaven wrote:
Sir Arun wrote:
Isnt it fairly easy to bog down an Imperial Knight by...say...a Templar blob?

Do Templar blobs move 12 inches a turn?

Can Super heavy walkers run?

Templar blobs have an average movement (+run) distance of 10"

**PrinceRaven**

Sir Arun wrote:
PrinceRaven wrote:
Sir Arun wrote:
Isnt it fairly easy to bog down an Imperial Knight by...say...a Templar blob?

Do Templar blobs move 12 inches a turn?

Can Super heavy walkers run?

Yes, they can also shoot big blasts at any squad foolish enough to run out of cover to be within charge range.

**tau tse tung**

Again as a gamer who stared in 4th and got back into it at the end of 5th i will say that...

1. Allies helps due to me not having huge amounts of money to throw at gw, so the combination really helps my wallet survive (and my friends too).

2. 6ths runs smoothly as since i play Tau and IG and the whole shop plays chaos i can now win a match now and again.

3.The new models are not as bad as people say they are.

What i don't like are the nasty price hikes and my friends leaving the hobby because of them, half my shops population has now stopped "the hobby". This will i fear will kill my local shop...