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Homonculus /w hexrifle

3x Trueborn /w 2x splinter cannon
3x Trueborn /w 2x splinter cannon
3x Trueborn /w 2x splinter cannon

10x Kabalite warriors /w splinter cannon
10x Kabalite warriors /w splinter cannon
10x Kabalite warriors /w splinter cannon
10x Kabalite warriors /w splinter cannon

Venom /w nightshield, splinter cannon
Venom /w nightshield, splinter cannon
Venom /w nightshield, splinter cannon
Raider /w dark lance, splinter racks
Raider /w dark lance, splinter racks
Raider /w dark lance, splinter racks
Raider /w dark lance, splinter racks

Ravager /w 3 dark lances, nightshield
Ravager /w 3 dark lances, nightshield
Ravager /w 3 dark lances, nightshield

I am thinking about dropping hexrifle on homonculi and spending my remaining points ( about 30) to replace 1 ravager with a voidraven bomber with shatterfield missiles.

Looks good, I'd personally go 4 venoms to 3 raiders at this point level, I'd keep three Ravagers though. Alpha strike and things that we can shoot turn 1 are very important to us. With our maneuverability I wouldn't worry too much about flyers.

At 1850 I run something like this:


HQ:

Vect (for the alpha strike)


Troops:

10 kabalite warrior w/ splinter cannon; raider, splinter racks
10 kabalite warrior w/ splinter cannon; raider, splinter racks
10 kabalite warrior w/ splinter cannon; raider, splinter racks
10 kabalite warrior w/ splinter cannon; raider, splinter racks

5 wyches w/haywire ; Venom w/ dual splinter cannon
5 wyches w/haywire ; Venom w/ dual splinter cannon

Elites:
3 Trueborn, 2 splinter cannon;; Venom w/ dual splinter cannon
3 Trueborn, 2 splinter cannon;; Venom w/ dual splinter cannon
3 Trueborn, 2 splinter cannon;; Venom w/ dual splinter cannon


Heavy Support:

Ravager, triple Dark Lance
Ravager, triple Dark Lance
Ravager, triple Dark Lance

while I really like DE and a mech theme, I feel like this list would have a really(really) hard time at a list with more than 1 flyer and/or Mechdar. I would incorporate more haywire as it is the best way to kill Wave Serpents, and a quad gun if want to keep the triple Ravagers!

LinkXx wrote:
while I really like DE and a mech theme, I feel like this list would have a really(really) hard time at a list with more than 1 flyer and/or Mechdar. I would incorporate more haywire as it is the best way to kill Wave Serpents, and a quad gun if want to keep the triple Ravagers!

Venoms count as mech! Also, with the maneuverability the Dark Eldar have, before flyers come on, you can always move quickly to the opponents side, and the flyers will have to come on and fly past you, not having a front firing arc.

I never said Venoms don't count as mech? I run 2 Venoms myself in me Deldar list. I can also tell you from experience that flyers aren't as limited in their movement as you may think they are. Especially ones like the Crimson Hunter with the vector dance USR.

LinkXx wrote:
I never said Venoms don't count as mech? I run 2 Venoms myself in me Deldar list. I can also tell you from experience that flyers aren't as limited in their movement as you may think they are. Especially ones like the Crimson Hunter with the vector dance USR.

I can tell you from experience that ignoring flyers is pretty sound for DE and by the time we're done inflicting our damage flyers won't save the day.

I do agree that outmaneuvering flyers isn't that hard, especially with dark elder. I can easily outmaneuver flyers (except eldar ones) with my nidz so with good planning i can easily avoid flyers. Also, if enemy is packing 2+ flyers at 1500 i can easily alpha strike crap out of enemy's ground forces (especially if I get 1st turn).

Digriz636 wrote:
I do agree that outmaneuvering flyers isn't that hard, especially with dark elder. I can easily outmaneuver flyers (except eldar ones) with my nidz so with good planning i can easily avoid flyers. Also, if enemy is packing 2+ flyers at 1500 i can easily alpha strike crap out of enemy's ground forces (especially if I get 1st turn).

See the OP gets it!

not to hijack this thread, but for argument's sake, what if you came up against a list like this one I'm currently fielding?

HQ:
Autarch Scorpion Chainsword

Troops:
Dire Avengers(5)
Wave Serpent TL Scatter Laser Holo-Fields
Dire Avengers(5)
Wave Serpent TL Scatter Laser Holo-Fields
Dire Avengers(5)
Wave Serpent TL Scatter Laser Holo-Fields
Dire Avengers(5)
Wave Serpent TL Scatter Laser Holo-Fields
WJB(3) Shuriken Cannon
WJB(3) Shuriken Cannon

Fast Attack:
Crimson Hunter
Crimson Hunter
Crimson Hunter

Total: 1475(1495 with 1 Crimson Hunter Exarch with 2 Starcannons)

LinkXx wrote:
not to hijack this thread, but for argument's sake, what if you came up against a list like this one I'm currently fielding?

HQ:
Autarch Scorpion Chainsword

Troops:
Dire Avengers(5)
Wave Serpent TL Scatter Laser Holo-Fields
Dire Avengers(5)
Wave Serpent TL Scatter Laser Holo-Fields
Dire Avengers(5)
Wave Serpent TL Scatter Laser Holo-Fields
Dire Avengers(5)
Wave Serpent TL Scatter Laser Holo-Fields
WJB(3) Shuriken Cannon
WJB(3) Shuriken Cannon

Fast Attack:
Crimson Hunter
Crimson Hunter
Crimson Hunter

Total: 1475(1495 with 1 Crimson Hunter Exarch with 2 Starcannons)

Wave serpent spam is a hard counter to Dark Eldar, we'd probably lose. But I'll tell you what wouldn't have made us lose, the crimson hunters. It's the wave serpents.


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I'd love to see that list with my Daemons though!


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Actually, I take that back... I think The OP list could handle this... With the alpha strike could seriously kill 2 wave serpents turn one, turn 2 finish off the other 2

this is what I mean though. If your plan is to avoid enemy air, chances are you will drive straight into something on the ground that will kill you equally as fast if not faster.

Avoiding air doesnt matter against eldar as even if we grt close, they have table range on those serpent sheilds anyway.

Against other armies we clear out a flank tyrn one and move there. Its not hard. Triple ravager is always more competitive than our flyers.

WARNING: Wave serpent rant ahead!

Dalymiddleboro is absolutely right about serpent spam matchup. Crimson hunters are not THE problem, it's those damned, fast, land raider - tough (even tougher for DE xD) vehicles that can carry scoring units and pack heat with 60" S7 ignores cover gun.