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 Mr.Omega wrote:

 astro_nomicon wrote:

 mik339 wrote:
I would love to play against all of these armies. The Gaurd one sounds particularly ridiculous! I have already fought Necron Flyer spam, but with 4 Croissants, 2 with death beams, and (iirc) all 4 with that chain-lightning business. That game ended in my favor, by far.
BigBaboonAss seems quite confident that his Eldar list could take on my boys, which is something I would love to see. While it depends on table halves, terrain, how/when BigBaboonAss deploys, I would likely keep my army completely in reserve, and run on behind cover, trying to force focus fire shots, all while slowly and carefully slogging forward, attempting to jam objectives on turn 5, making a sea of dudes to prevent contestation. I would likely not even fire a single shot. It would be interesting for sure. BigBaboonAss, if you are ever in Fairbanks, Alaska I would host this tournament.
I also like the comment on Warpheads. I've been toying around with this idea myself. In my mind if you drop a single Mek, 1-2 (at least) squads of boys will be unable to effectively get in the KFF, and the unprotected ones would likely be picked off first, so I figure if I was to replace any meks, why not both? 2 Warpheads would be a really fun way to run it. I may toy with the list and drop some boys for rokkits/big shootas, but as it stands right now I enjoy just the pure fatness of the army.

Lel "Keep your army completely in reserve".

A.) This is against the rules. You may keep up to half of your force in reserve, not counting units that MUST start in reserves.
B.) Sure, reserve half of you army so they can focus on a smaller portion of your army first, as well as forcing your remaining boyz to slog on from your table edge. Tactical brilliance.
C.) Do you even 40K?
D.) You're getting closer to something with the weirdboyz, but even in the event that you do roll whatever it is to teleport a squad, do you have any idea how likely a mishap is with a 30 man unit?

Here's a list that would roflstomp all 180 of those boyz that you've won so many tourneys with:

Farseer, Jetbike
Warlock

5 Dire Avengers
5 Dire Avengers
5 Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent- holofields, Tl scatter laser
Wave Serpent- holofields, Tl scatter laser
Wave Serpent- holofields, Tl scatter laser
10 Guardians w/ BL platform
10 Guardians w/ BL platform

2 Warwalkers w/ TL scatter laser
2 Warwalkers w/ TL scatter laser

This is a basic TAC Eldar list that would mop the floor with 180 boys.
/thread

Wow, that was rude and arrogant.

Basic TAC list? Right. That statement just seethes of ignorance. You took the most highly competitive units in the Codex and mashed them together favourably in a way that tailors to beating the Ork list here. I very much doubt most players would take Wave Serpent squads and SL War Walkers, and that list is weak. Sure, it mullers infantry, but you've got a grand total of two weapons that can harm AV14, and hardly reliably if they're competent. That list would struggle to kill Riptides, I'd expect a Tau player to lose 1.5 a turn if you fired literally everything, which probably won't happen because you'll lose something before that happens, and you'd have to split your fire.

Seriously, my Mech/2LR/2Vendetta IG would probably present a considerable difficulty to that list, this whole stupid thing people in this thread have going on with specific armies beating the OP's is a joke.

Said nothing about it the best TAC list. That's why i said basic TAC list. I just threw this list together. If i was to tailor, there'd be no holofields, no guardians, and guess what? more serpents. I don't even play eldar, I do however know their capabilities from being on the receiving end many, many times. Well enough in fact, to invalidate OPs claim. That's all I was saying.

Very few unbeatable lists stand the test of "if I tell you my list and let you tailor against it...", and the ones that do (fivetides etc) are examples of broken, gakky rules design, not author brilliance.

And totally agree with Omega, dick post is a dick post.

 bocatt wrote:
You would really take that Eldar list against ANYTHING and EVERYONE?

Would, have and will. It's my TAC list at 1250 points. I used to run a Wraithknight, but it's a lot of points and people love horde armies at this point level, so better to spend those 80 points elsewhere.

I like watching people make broad sweeping statements because I guarantee you that if you knew your opponent was bringing AV13-14 spam you wouldn't bring that list. You have the Crimson Hunter (Bright Lances I assume?) Which comes on turn two and at most gets what? 3 shots? So at your VERY VERY best possible game, you get 15 bright lance shots of which, 5 miss, and like 6 of the remaining 10 fail to do anything? That's one dead Land Raider or Leman Russ. Maybe. The only other thing that can hurt AV 13 is the Serpent shield which at it's VERY best will get 42 (or 84 for two) shots in a game of which, most of them will do nothing considering you need a 6 to glance or you won't be able to hurt them at all if they brought an AV14 vehicle.

And you may complain "WELL THAT WON'T EVER HAPPEN CUZ DUH METUH" let me explain to you that when you play a 4th or 5th edition codex your only viable tactic is to say "feth the meta" and bring 3 Land Raiders at 1250 pts or something crazy like that. Blood angels can do this easily and each of them will have a scoring unit inside (much like your Dire Avengers squads) and Orks can do this with Battlewagons if they're careful and Imperial Guard can bring Leman Russes and Space Wolves will be hard pressed to perform such a feat but they could do it as well though they're more likely to just shove drop pods and wolf cavalry down your throat.

You are forgetting Swooping Hawks and their Haywire grenades and the odd BS5 Singing Spear. I have enough heavy AT to stop 1 or 2 LRs. If there is a third, I can avoid it. On the other hand, LRs are offensively very weak. What actually concerns me more are Necron AV13 Annihilation Barges, that actually kill stuff, not Blood Angels' LR spam. Every list has a weak spot and at the end of the day, 3 LR lists are far less common than infantry or horde lists at any point level(maybe your meta differs here, ymmv).

Battlewagons and Leman Russes are really not an issue, because they're side AV12, which is a big deal when you're mobile. Space Wolf drop pod list sure is tough, as is WS biker spam, but I think there's enough tools in my list to handle it, in fact, I know there is, because I've faced them with varied results.

We can play Rock papers scissors hammer all night. My point is: don't say "well this is the list I ALWAYS bring and it would wipe the table with your list!" Because I may very well run Trilando at 1250 and I could say "well this is my list I ALWAYS run and I could wipe the table with your list!" And on and on and on and you realize how stupid this gets and how stupid it sounds? If not you should probably rethink your ideas of positive human interaction because that kind of conversation doesn't fall into that category.

This is what I'm talking about when I said people are strangely defensive when it comes to a list like this. It's not some kind of genius breakthrough that will kill off competitive Eldar/Tau lists everywhere. It's a monobuild horde army seen before a dozen times, especially in 5th, that will give a lot of armies a hard time, but it will not win, barring some very lucky dice, against a balanced Eldar or Tau list played by a competent general. There is a very good reason why those two armies are so popular right now and there's no point looking for a solution that just isn't there and covering your ears and going "nanananananana" whenever somebody points out the ugly truth. I for one can't wait for the new Ork dex and hope it is a good one, because they're my favourite army to play against.

I also made no "broad sweeping statements" about always winning and I have no idea where you read that in my short post, because I sure as hell can't see it. What I did was post a list that I use regularly, that'd cause problems to the OP's list. Which, I noticed, you never tried to argue. I also objectively stated in my earlier post and in the one you quoted, that the list is by no means unbeatable and that it will fight an uphill battle against any list that is built to mow down infantry. Eldar and Tau are the big winners here, because they're flexible enough to have enough tools to deal with everything else, in addition to having an overwhelming anti-infantry at their disposal. That doesn't mean every Eldar and Tau list will auto-win, that's not what I'm saying at all. Things like luck, skill, mission, terrain and deployment are a huge factor in every game, as well as the unfamiliarity with the OP's list may cause even a skilled general to make crucial mistakes, but the OP's list is not the answer for Eldar and Tau "problem".


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blaktoof wrote:
There are a lot of different lists, and a lot of different armies, and with allies the equation is more complicated.

Anyone can post any list, and anyone can build a list to try and counter it.

In essence this list is a counter list, its a counter to lists like eldar/tau and armies that are tailoring to beat eldar/tau lists, making it an "anti-meta" list for many areas metas.

Can you build an army to beat it? Sure.

If you look at many armies played in tournmanets which are "tac" but focus on anti tau anti eldar, this list would be a nightmare for most of those lists to face. Simply because the tools you take to stop "elite" expensive non horde armies are not the tools you use to stop a horde army usually.

Also, this.

But only because typical Eldar and Tau lists are just as spammy as the OP. People have a tendency to forget(Eldar/Tau players themselves most of all) that there's more to those two codexes than Wave Serpents and Riptides.

 Araenion wrote:

 bocatt wrote:
You would really take that Eldar list against ANYTHING and EVERYONE?

Would, have and will. It's my TAC list at 1250 points. I used to run a Wraithknight, but it's a lot of points and people love horde armies at this point level, so better to spend those 80 points elsewhere.

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This is what I'm talking about when I said people are strangely defensive when it comes to list like this. It's not some kind of genius breakthrough that will kill off competitive Eldar and Tau lists. It's a monobuild horde army seen before a dozen times, especially in 5th, that will give a lot of armies a hard time, but it will not win, barring some very lucky dice, against a competitive Eldar or Tau list played by a competent general. There is a very good reason why those two armies are so popular right now and there's no point looking for a solution that just isn't there and covering your eyes and going "nanananananana" whenever somebody points out the ugly truth. I for one can't wait for the new Ork dex and hope it is a good one, because they're my favourite army to play against.

I also made no "broad sweeping statements" about always winning and I have no idea where you read that in my short post, because I sure as hell can't see it. What I did was post a list that I use regularly, that'd cause problems to the OP's list. Which, I noticed, you never tried to argue. I also objectively stated in my earlier post and in the one you quoted, that the list is by no means unbeatable and that it will fight an uphill battle against any list that is built to mow down infantry. Eldar and Tau are the big winners here, because they're flexible enough to have enough tools to deal with everything else, in addition to having an overwhelming anti-infantry at their disposal. That doesn't mean every Eldar and Tau list will auto-win, that's not what I'm saying at all. Things like luck, skill, mission, terrain and deployment are a huge factor in every game, as well as the unfamiliarity with the OP's list may cause even a skilled general to make crucial mistakes, but the OP's list is not the answer for Eldar and Tau "problem".

I didn't try to argue, because honestly I don't care for OP's list. I am amazed that it won a tournament. It's gimmicky. The gimmick being a horde. There's no other strategy than just drowning the board in bodies and lead. And I'm most definitely not saying that any 4th or 5th edition codex is going to magically find a list that will knock Taudar off their pedestal.

I'm saying stop playing the "this list beats that list beats my list beats your list" game. How about suggesting strategies and tactics and unit selections that could be used to make it easier to beat the OP's list? (has anyone heard of a Night Spinner?? What is Bubble wrapping??) If that is indeed what they want to hear.

I've noticed that the comments the OP responds to are actually more about changing his list, are about what else can be taken in an ork army to make his greentide better? And if you don't know and that's what he wants to talk about then don't post something irrelevant like "well my list can beat yours".

We can be here to the end of time playing that game but it doesn't make any of us any better generals and it just makes it harder for the poster to get the feedback he/she is interested in. If they say "lol this is unbeatable come beat my list!" feel free to theory and math and rock paper scissors him to death.

My point in bringing up my supposed counter to your list is how god awfully circular that argument is and how futile it is to argue about it over the internet in a thread that's not even asking for that argument.

Okay as a player of Eldar I will show you my all comers 1250 list, that is a highly competitive list. I will not deny that through a TO who throws terrain down like crazy this ork list would have some serious advantages over every list by hugging terrain that blocks LoS. But on an average board with 2 LOS blockers mid-field this army will be able to move it's 12" a turn and get LOS where it didn't before. Additionally, we can expect the OP to be moving 9-10" a turn against this list because he is not stupid and knows full well the only way he will kill this Eldar list is CC with Orks against rear armour. Because I know he wants to get close to me I would deploy fully on the back edge of the board (the front of my hull would be 6" up or so) That would mean he would deploy 30" away from me so he is at threat range for assault turn 3. If I have first turn, he has 3 units left, if he gets first turn he has 4 units left, on average not including the opportunity for Doom, etc.

Farseer;
-Jetbike
-MotLG
-Runes of Warding

5 Dire Avengers (x4)
-Wave Serpent
-Holo-fields

Fire Prism (x2)
-Holo-fields

If I give up my turn 3 shooting I can flat out to the other side of the board and buy myself 2 more turns of shooting in general. That means by the time he gets to me again he is most likely going to have between one and two units remaining. But he will probably be smart, and rather than chase me hug some terrain to claim objectives on my backboard, if it is Crusade (2 objectives each) then we will probably end up with two objectives each at the end of the game. A tie for primary objective. Secondary objective, I will have first blood, we will both have line breaker, and no-one will have warlord kill. Over all 8-7 for my list. A close game indeed, and in a tournament, I would hate to face this army, because it will most likely totally kill my overall score because the victory gap would be so small. For tournament purposes, this army is nasty against what would be a top tier army because it will drop you to mid level if you face him round one. The big thing that makes this army so competitive is how different it is from every other army, people bringing armies designed to beat MEQ or TEQ which are the most common arrivals in a tournament, are going to run into something that they simply don't posses enough shots to kill more than one unit a turn. And if you aren't running a mech army his ridiculous number of shots will eventually shred you down. I think the point I'm trying to make is it is strong against a lot of builds, but unfortunately will lose in the end to the top tier armies.

 bocatt wrote:
I'm saying stop playing the "this list beats that list beats my list beats your list" game. How about suggesting strategies and tactics and unit selections that could be used to make it easier to beat the OP's list? (has anyone heard of a Night Spinner?? What is Bubble wrapping??) If that is indeed what they want to hear.

I'm actually building a Night Spinner at this very moment, which will replace one Wave Serpent. I've played with it a lot(used my Wave Serpent as a proxy, most people don't mind in casual games) and it's ace. Also, Swooping Hawks are murder against OP's list or any like that. 3 squads of 6 and that will itself cause all sorts of mayhem.

I've noticed that the comments the OP responds to are actually more about changing his list, are about what else can be taken in an ork army to make his greentide better? And if you don't know and that's what he wants to talk about then don't post something irrelevant like "well my list can beat yours".

I can see where you got the idea, and I admit I sort of jumped on the bandwagon, but my reason for doing that was that in my earlier comment, after I said how much I like the OP's list, I tried pointing out that it's exactly as you say, a gimmick, and any decent general running a decent list will probably find a way around it, or at least make him fight for that win, after he claimed you can just shut your brain down and win. It's never as simple as that, not in 6th edition. But I never actually posted my list, so I felt obligated to do so. Plus, it's hardly tailored for hordes? It's just that 80% of units in Eldar codex are good at killing infantry, there's no way around that.

We can be here to the end of time playing that game but it doesn't make any of us any better generals and it just makes it harder for the poster to get the feedback he/she is interested in. If they say "lol this is unbeatable come beat my list!" feel free to theory and math and rock paper scissors him to death.

I agree, it is stupid,, but in the end, he must have seen it coming. When you post something as audacious and pompous as "the undefeated, tournament winning list" and then post a gimmick, you're asking to be brought down a peg. People will always react to strong statements with strong counter-statements, especially online.

this whole stupid thing people in this thread have going on with specific armies beating the OP's is a joke.

Maybe you should have another look then?
Alot of these lists are pretty basic cookie cutter.
You dont have to tailor a good TAC list to deal with massed infantry, it does that anyway otherwise it wouldnt be a very good TAC list.

Also, picking the best units from a book?
The title says about an undefeated army, so yes, when making a competitive list, this is the idea usually.

danny1995 wrote:
For tournament purposes, this army is nasty against what would be a top tier army because it will drop you to mid level if you face him round one.

This is a VERY good point. Most of us are set on proving that the OP won't win a tournament, but there will be very, very few lists that actually manage a decent score against it. In that sense, it's very much a meta-changer.

You know what would be an awsome battle with this list? If you take on the following:

Typhus

35 zombies x6
5 spawn with MoN

The board will be covered!!! 30 more zombies than boyz but of course the boyz have the advantage there... would the spawn and typhus with his destroyer hive and deamon weapon be able to swing it? It'd be an interesting (and long!) game.

This is another example of how Imperial Knights are going to change the field.

3 Knight Paladins wins this game, is a TAC list, and something that might be common even though it is wasting 100ish points. points.

Dude it would suck if some one brought trazyn... And tesla mortals anni barges sixes will become an enemy

I can see a Krieg army list with 12 heavy mortars doing a lot of gak.

OP your list is super easy to beat - let me break it down for you. This list has you beat before models are even on the table.

War boss - warbike, combi-Flamer

10x grots w/ runtherd
9x nobs w/ warbikes, combi-Flamers

15x Burna Boys
15x Burna Boys

Battle Wagon
Battle Wagon

It matters not who goes first. I sit more than 24" away from you. If you break that 24" line, I move forward. The battlewagonz charge forward, unconcerned of all threats. The Bikers rip forward, burn a squad to death and multi-assault any survivors. The I3 and HoW attacks ensure your boys will die. You desperately try and charge the wagonz, but guess what? I get 15xD3 overwatch HITS on the squad. Now the grots are up in your gak, and they unload everything. I did the math - that's 3 wounds even after cover saves. Come turn 3 my army has dealt over 184 wounds, killing all orks. GG homes.
I already won.
You should have made a list that counters this list instead of the list you made.

My 9 Biovore list would have fun with this

I dont really have any 1250 lists for my DE but I would imagine a bit of Venom Spam and Liquifier and Poison Weapons from the Wracks would give the list a bit of a headache.

This above poster makes no sense, tailoring an army to beat the op list is just plane dumb, and then listening to the people afterwards (like me) tell you every list (tailored of course) that will beat your list.

 mik339 wrote:
Come turn 3 my army has dealt over 184 wounds, killing all orks. GG homes.
I already won.
You should have made a list that counters this list instead of the list you made.

Woah, woah, calm down. I think everybody is getting a little up in arms about this army because they want to think they are really good. It is one thing to state the deficiencies of the army, and what you think you can beat, but don't patronize the guy for fielding an army other than yours.

 Arbiter wrote:
This above poster makes no sense, tailoring an army to beat the op list is just plane dumb, and then listening to the people afterwards (like me) tell you every list (tailored of course) that will beat your list.

I assume you are talking about the guy above me because my lists are not tailored, they are just what I run

 mik339 wrote:

" This list has you beat before models are even on the table. "

(tailors a list with 37 templates)

"I already won"

Seriously whats the point of this game any more. Rather than spending a weekend playing this game, why not just match up the lists and determine winners that way?

And of course since this is 40k, roll a d6 for each game. On a 3+ the expected winner takes it, but on a 2 or less the underdog list reigns supreme.

When I grab my end of the table and flip the whole fething thing over....try beating that with your list!

Hey hey. So I know we're already on page 3, but I would like to point out that mik339 is the OP, and him posting a counter list to his own list is funny, was possibly meant to be funny, and made me laugh.

This thread has become a silly place.

- motherbrain

@blaktoof I like your list, because you take the nob with big choppa instead of a PK. It's still strong enough to glance most vehicles and doesn't waste too many points. I also agree with whoever brought up the point about tailoring armies to defeat a hoard swarm. Most people aren't going to bring squad killers to tourneys because no one brings massed troops.
@Soomemafia when assaulting you always hit against the back armour of vehicles correct? Most vehicles have a back armour value of 10 (if not @Blaktoof's list with big choppa wielding nobs would take care of that) The fast "taudar" armies may be able to run, but an 18" range with 60 shots can usually kill a few per turn.
This list may not be unbeatable, but it'd sure be a dang hard army to face. I was going to try something similar, but... I got too lazy (which I'm sure most orks players do) and didn;t want to have to paint 180 boyz


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 Dakkamite wrote:

 mik339 wrote:

" This list has you beat before models are even on the table. "

(tailors a list with 37 templates)

"I already won"

Seriously whats the point of this game any more. Rather than spending a weekend playing this game, why not just match up the lists and determine winners that way?

And of course since this is 40k, roll a d6 for each game. On a 3+ the expected winner takes it, but on a 2 or less the underdog list reigns supreme.

LOL

motherbrain wrote:
Hey hey. So I know we're already on page 3, but I would like to point out that mik339 is the OP, and him posting a counter list to his own list is funny, was possibly meant to be funny, and made me laugh.

This thread has become a silly place.

- motherbrain

Made me laugh too so I hope it was meant as a joke.

So the original list has weaknesses, practically every army does. The fact is, at a tournament most people will be more concerned about the elite lists and that gives this list an advantage. If you're not playing as one of the "big 3" you need to grab every advantage you can. I also think the OP has shown some tactical nous with some of his follow up comments so he is clearly not just taking a "point and click" army. This list clearly can have success because it goes against the agreed "logic" of a tournament army. Eventually he will lose because we all do and kudos to the player who brings the army to do it, but that army will lose eventually as well.

Let's not play rock, paper, scissors as that game will never end and for me takes the fun out of it a little.

Congrats to the OP for having an undefeated army so far, hopefully you've taken some pointers from this thread on how, maybe, you can improve your list and keep the streak going a little longer.

This thread is so confusing...

Had to be there from the beginning. I totally didn't realize that it was the OP fielding that tailored list. I hate list tailoring with a passion. I'd rather face the cheesiest all comers list in the world than against a tailored list. Seriously, bring 4 riptides against me, I'd rather that than have you look at my army list and decide what counters every single model in my army.

At 1250 this is the list that I have fun and TAC. it may not win but will put up a fight (hoard on hoard combat).fun times

+++ Stitch's Bitches (1166pts) +++


+ HQ + (365pts)

* Daemonic Heralds (365pts)
* Herald of Slaanesh
(Daemonic Instability, Deep Strike, Independent Character)
D6 Daemonic Reward (Lesser Rewards, Magic Weapons), Greater Locus of Swiftness (*), Psyker Level 2 (Excess Discipline), Steed of Slaanesh (Acute Senses, Outflank)

* Herald of Slaanesh(*3)
(Daemonic Instability, Deep Strike, Independent Character)
D6 Daemonic Reward (Lesser Rewards, Magic Weapons), Greater Locus of Swiftness (*)
* Daemon of Slaanesh

+ Troops + (483pts)

* Daemonettes of Slaanesh (161pts)
(Daemonic Instability, Deep Strike)
14x Daemonettes, Icon of Chaos (*), Instrument of Chaos (*)
* Alluress
D6 Daemonic Reward (Lesser Rewards, Magic Weapons)
* Daemon of Slaanesh
(Additional inches when Run, Flat Out moves, Fleet, Hatred (Daemon of Khorne), Rending)
Daemon (5+ Invulnerable Save, Fear)


* Daemonettes of Slaanesh (161pts)
(Daemonic Instability, Deep Strike)
14x Daemonettes, Icon of Chaos (*), Instrument of Chaos (*)
* Alluress
D6 Daemonic Reward (Lesser Rewards, Magic Weapons)
* Daemon of Slaanesh
(Additional inches when Run, Flat Out moves, Fleet, Hatred (Daemon of Khorne), Rending)
Daemon (5+ Invulnerable Save, Fear)


* Daemonettes of Slaanesh (161pts)
(Daemonic Instability, Deep Strike)
14x Daemonettes, Icon of Chaos (*), Instrument of Chaos (*)
* Alluress
D6 Daemonic Reward (Lesser Rewards, Magic Weapons)
* Daemon of Slaanesh
(Additional inches when Run, Flat Out moves, Fleet, Hatred (Daemon of Khorne), Rending)
Daemon (5+ Invulnerable Save, Fear)


+ Fast Attack + (143pts)

* Seekers of Slaanesh (143pts)
(Acute Senses, Daemonic Instability, Deep Strike, Outflank)
Icon of Chaos (*), Instrument of Chaos (*), 9x Seekers
* Daemon of Slaanesh
(Additional inches when Run, Flat Out moves, Fleet, Hatred (Daemon of Khorne), Rending)
Daemon (5+ Invulnerable Save, Fear)
* Heartseeker
D6 Daemonic Reward (Lesser Rewards, Magic Weapons)


+ Heavy Support + (175pts)

* Soul Grinder of Chaos (175pts)
(Daemonic Resilience, Deep Strike)
Phlegm Bombardment
* Daemon of Slaanesh
(Additional inches when Run, Flat Out moves, Fleet, Hatred (Daemon of Khorne), Rending)
Daemon (5+ Invulnerable Save, Fear)

Im just going to come out and say it.

This list is terrible. At 1250, a competetive eldar player will easily have 4 Wave serpents. Possibly War Walkers as well. This is not a case of "My tailored list will wreck your list." Seprent Spam is one of the most common Eldar TAC lists.

Reading the responses here, I think a lot of you missed the point. This is a 1250 List, and NO ONE, plans on facing an Ork horde of this magnitude. NO ONE. (I capitalized it because at most tournaments these days, you are lucky if there is a couple ork players)


You absolutely can sit here and theorycraft how to beat this, and it would get destroyed at LVO or some other place where all the neckbeard army hoppers hang out, but if it showed up to a small tourney, unannounced, it would be a lot of fun to fight and/or play. Especially at 1250.



Grats on having a good time. I am in the middle of painting up a new 90 ork boyz because I plan on blanketing some guys at a local tourney. They know it is coming and are planning against it, but I just don't care. Must....WAAAAAAAAAAGH!

It's simple. It's deadly. It's Orky. I love it. A few PKs to deal with an armor 14 is my only critique.

 Saevus wrote:
Reading the responses here, I think a lot of you missed the point. This is a 1250 List, and NO ONE, plans on facing an Ork horde of this magnitude. NO ONE. (I capitalized it because at most tournaments these days, you are lucky if there is a couple ork players)


You absolutely can sit here and theorycraft how to beat this, and it would get destroyed at LVO or some other place where all the neckbeard army hoppers hang out, but if it showed up to a small tourney, unannounced, it would be a lot of fun to fight and/or play. Especially at 1250.



Grats on having a good time. I am in the middle of painting up a new 90 ork boyz because I plan on blanketing some guys at a local tourney. They know it is coming and are planning against it, but I just don't care. Must....WAAAAAAAAAAGH!

I think you are missing the point. You dont even need to plan for this list. Like I said There are A LOT of really common, non-tailored, TAC lists that would just wreck all those unsupported Boyz. Eldar Wave Serpents / War Walkers, DE Venoms, CSM Heldrakes, IG Tanks / Artilery, Tau pie plates, C:SM thunderfire cannons...the list goes on and on. It might very well be entertaining to run that many Boyz at 1250, but it will not be a chalenge for most lists in a tourney environment.

I think the list is good I would get stuck with my space wolfs against this list, my space wolves are plasma heavey... My raven guard would charge them and be locked in combat and hopefuly win the combats but maybe not.