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I know, i know, this cannon is great already, it dosnt need a fix, etcetcetc.....
But i feel it does.

Currently, the Volcano Cannon is designed to fill the role as a form of sniper weapon for picking off super heavies.
However, with its massive blast it actually works extremely well at mopping up huge infantry blobs, so here is my proposed fix:

Range-no change SD AP1 Primary weapon, shockwave, accurate.

accurate: This weapon recieves a +1 to hit.

Shockwave: If the cannon hits a unit, then after resolving the hit center a small (Large?) blast template over the target. Any model hit by the template suffers an S10 AP3 hit.

In this way the cannon no longer functions as an infantry blob killer, but instead functions as a sniper. The accurate rule makes the weapon better at picking off single models, whilst the shockwave rule means that the cannon can still perform anti-infantry fire, albiet with reduced effectivness.

Sounds good to me. I'd play against it.

Wouldn't complain too much if my opponent asked me to play with it, either. Esp. if the choice was between that and not using my Shadowsword in an epic match.

Love my Shadowsword.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Sounds good to me. I'd play against it.

Wouldn't complain too much if my opponent asked me to play with it, either. Esp. if the choice was between that and not using my Shadowsword in an epic match.

Love my Shadowsword.

Good to see another lover of the SH PanzerJaeger goodness

I don't get why you think the Volcano Cannon in particular needs this, it's only a 5" Blast, it's not like it's wiping out whole units at a time.The +1BS can be given by taking Targeters on the Shadowsword, and frankly very little is going to survive the Volcano Cannon shot to warrant another S10 Ap3 hit. Pointless changes for an already adequate weapon.

 Valkyrie wrote:
I don't get why you think the Volcano Cannon in particular needs this, it's only a 5" Blast, it's not like it's wiping out whole units at a time.The +1BS can be given by taking Targeters on the Shadowsword, and frankly very little is going to survive the Volcano Cannon shot to warrant another S10 Ap3 hit. Pointless changes for an already adequate weapon.

Thye second hit isnt to damage the target, its a small blast that spreads out, catching nearby units in a slightly less powerful blast.
The +1 BS is to make up for the reduced blast.

 master of ordinance wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Sounds good to me. I'd play against it.

Wouldn't complain too much if my opponent asked me to play with it, either. Esp. if the choice was between that and not using my Shadowsword in an epic match.

Love my Shadowsword.

Good to see another lover of the SH PanzerJaeger goodness

I like the Tank Hunter, too. There's just something strangely alluring about self-propelled guns compared to tanks. Especially giant ones.

 master of ordinance wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:
I don't get why you think the Volcano Cannon in particular needs this, it's only a 5" Blast, it's not like it's wiping out whole units at a time.The +1BS can be given by taking Targeters on the Shadowsword, and frankly very little is going to survive the Volcano Cannon shot to warrant another S10 Ap3 hit. Pointless changes for an already adequate weapon.

Thye second hit isnt to damage the target, its a small blast that spreads out, catching nearby units in a slightly less powerful blast.
The +1 BS is to make up for the reduced blast.

It's pointless though, why would I get rid of a Destroyer 5" Blast so I get a single Destroyer shot and a S10 Ap3 3" Blast?

Your argument of "well it's more accurate is invalid since Shadowswords can just take Targeters anyway, and with BS4 only a rare scatter is going to throw it off target. I honestly don't know what you're trying to fix here, yes it's a good role of sniping Super-Heavies, but it's not going to mop up enormous blobs of infantry with only a 5" Blast.

 Valkyrie wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:
I don't get why you think the Volcano Cannon in particular needs this, it's only a 5" Blast, it's not like it's wiping out whole units at a time.The +1BS can be given by taking Targeters on the Shadowsword, and frankly very little is going to survive the Volcano Cannon shot to warrant another S10 Ap3 hit. Pointless changes for an already adequate weapon.

Thye second hit isnt to damage the target, its a small blast that spreads out, catching nearby units in a slightly less powerful blast.
The +1 BS is to make up for the reduced blast.

It's pointless though, why would I get rid of a Destroyer 5" Blast so I get a single Destroyer shot and a S10 Ap3 3" Blast?

Your argument of "well it's more accurate is invalid since Shadowswords can just take Targeters anyway, and with BS4 only a rare scatter is going to throw it off target. I honestly don't know what you're trying to fix here, yes it's a good role of sniping Super-Heavies, but it's not going to mop up enormous blobs of infantry with only a 5" Blast.

It will still become much worse at, say, killing Hammernator squads, Carnifex broods and so on, while its effectiveness against single targets remains high.

Which is what is intended I think, since at this point it is more used to kill deathstars than other superheavies.

This is a bad idea. You're nerfing the Shadowsword when it's already a very weak option compared to other D-weapon units. A Warhound costs ~50% more but gives you four times the firepower (and can split it between two separate targets), so the only reason to even consider taking the Shadowsword is if you're making a fluff list and don't care about winning. To be a viable option the Shadowsword needs a larger blast (at least 7", and probably 10") or multiple shots. If you want to take away the blast and make it a dedicated large target killer you need to add something like inflicting D3+1 rolls on the D-weapon table when you hit instead of just one.

 Peregrine wrote:
the only reason to even consider taking the Shadowsword is if you're making a fluff list and don't care about winning.

You just described how the rules for Apocalypse are written, and who they are written for.

-Matt

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 HawaiiMatt wrote:
You just described how the rules for Apocalypse are written, and who they are written for.

IOW, "let's throw some garbage together because spending time playtesting our rules would reduce our profits, and we'll just blame 'WAAC players' if anyone ever refuses to fix our bad design for us and exploits the unbalanced rules". Sorry, but that's just nonsense. Having completely broken rules and expecting people to take bad options because of "fluff" is lazy and incompetent game design, and it certainly doesn't justify making those bad options even worse instead of trying to make things more balanced.

 Peregrine wrote:

 HawaiiMatt wrote:
You just described how the rules for Apocalypse are written, and who they are written for.

IOW, "let's throw some garbage together because spending time playtesting our rules would reduce our profits, and we'll just blame 'WAAC players' if anyone ever refuses to fix our bad design for us and exploits the unbalanced rules". Sorry, but that's just nonsense. Having completely broken rules and expecting people to take bad options because of "fluff" is lazy and incompetent game design, and it certainly doesn't justify making those bad options even worse instead of trying to make things more balanced.

Pretty much this.

Also, i do feel that the Volcano cannon is OP for standard 40K games.... And my ruleset may just fix that.