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Furyou Miko wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:


Well, yeah, I did have to. I can see having a problem with the scratch-build in this case. If the scratch-build is of high quality (ie, not a juice carton with cardboard tube legs - it's a Warhound), it's not an issue because there is obvious effort and care involved beyond "I want to cheat at 40k". If someone can build something that looks good, more power to them, but that's not the point I'm making - it's a Deffkopta. Seriously. One Deffkopta (with future Zapp Guns). With Orks, especially! The race that most favours scratch-building and conversion above all! If these guys who have a problem with the scratch-build were having problems with it because the OP had made a crude Revenant Titan out of coat hanger wires and toothbrushes, I'd understand.

I think it's the fact you specified Forge World that irritated him. It's not like there aren't a hundred broken things you could scratchbuild for that are Citadel miniatures, too.

I can't think of anything! It's not that I'm against Forge World (it's actually GW's fault, with Escalation), but the Revenant Titan is the best example I can think of. If I was going to be helplessly destroyed by a Titan in a regular game of 40k, I'd expect the other player to at least have the actual model. I didn't say it because of any specific example, though - what do Orks even have access to that is broken, FW or no? The point is, as I have said, it's a Deffkopta. Hardly going to swing the game with its terrifying power and MFA potential.

SRSFACE wrote:The kinds of people who scratchbuild things tend not to be the kinds of people who are WAAC TFG players. The kinds of people who dedicate an entire weekend (or month of weekends!) to building something, whether it's for a game or not, typically are pretty cool folks.

Everyone I know who fields an army to win has a terribly painted army, or all their really awesomely painted stuff was bought at discount from eBay.

Quoted for truth. Also, I wouldn't care if a scratch-build was something very powerful if the build itself was well-made. Then it's a "look at how cool this scratchbuild is", rather than "I have found an easy way to win forever". Also, the OP plays Orks. I think that speaks for itself in terms of WAAC-potential (plenty of WAAGH potential, though).

EDIT: Dakka's auto-acronym thing thinks I mean "WAA GREY HUNTERS", which is amazing.

 Ailaros wrote:
Technically speaking, 40k requires you to use citadel miniatures. That means anything else, from scratchbuilds to 3rd party to forgeworld isn't following the rules.

Wait is that an actual rule now? Also you can't use Forge World? Why do they produce stat lines then?

As Gashrog said, not only did they used to encourage scratch builds, I remember a Chapter Approved Rick Priestly article in WD detailing scratch build techniques not only as stand ins but for totally invented vehicles. Which allowed Priestly to show off his infamous shampoo bottle Grav Tank

One guy i play with refuses to play against anybody fielding scrathc builds.

"If you want a model, buy it" he says

He feels that money spent is more impressive and important than time spent.
I mean gak .. i can understand if it was a damn Abbadon scratch build .. or any other unige HQ ...
But c'mon .. really???

Blaylokk wrote:

but here's my question. Can i legally field these? There's a couple guys in my play group complaining about them not being GW models.

Are you kidding me? Someone actually saying you can't use plastic toy soldiers because they are not GW? These are the people you want to stay away from.

Davor wrote:

Blaylokk wrote:

but here's my question. Can i legally field these? There's a couple guys in my play group complaining about them not being GW models.

Are you kidding me? Someone actually saying you can't use plastic toy soldiers because they are not GW? These are the people you want to stay away from.

I'm new to 40K ... and these are the only players in my area ... so i guess im just SOL

 Gashrog wrote:
I've never heard any objection to scratch builds.

Hell WD has even included conversions of toys - a few years back (but still 'modern day' it was 4th or 5th edition I think) they had a feature on a 'scratch built' ork army whose vehicles were mostly converted toy trucks, the X% rule seems to only apply to direct competitors (IE: dedicated wargame figures).

Think your reffering to George Dellapinas Speed Freek army, which is awesome. Cant say that they have the same dimensions as the models they are representing though



God I miss the old White Dwarf

Blaylokk wrote:

Davor wrote:

Blaylokk wrote:

but here's my question. Can i legally field these? There's a couple guys in my play group complaining about them not being GW models.

Are you kidding me? Someone actually saying you can't use plastic toy soldiers because they are not GW? These are the people you want to stay away from.

I'm new to 40K ... and these are the only players in my area ... so i guess im just SOL

Feel sorry for you. I guess you better make sure they are using GW paint, GW glue, GW brushes, GW flock, etc etc. The first non GW thing on the mini, then it's not legal either. Ask them if they bought it at a GW store or FLGS for full price. If not, it's not legal either.

Goes both ways.

LMAO .. i know right ... i'm gonna stick with my models. I figure they're just pissed to see my imagination and creativity kickin the crap out of their wallet.

We had one guy when we had an informal club a while back who got shirty because I'd used Bretonnians to customise a medieval world IG army. He operated on a strict WYSIWYG lines and said my grunts were clearly not wearing flak armour but jerkins so shouldn't receive an armour save. Would have hated to roll out Catachans and see what he did...

Speaking of scrathc building ... can anyone tell me the dimensions of the current battle wagon? (LxWxH)

I know you can download papercraft templates for them.

Honestly, I think I'd just buy one and then work from that. You'll have a better idea of sort of what's supposed to go together how, and how things more generally work. Plus, you'd probably have a bunch of extra bitz left over, and if scratchbuilding a large vehicle as one of your first projects winds up being way too ambitious, then at least you'll have A battlewagon.

It will probably be easier to copy or convert something similar if you have a real model to look at and hold in your hands, in any case.

sounds good