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pax_imperialis wrote:
So is the knight detachment like the inquisitor detachment in that it doesn't count as an allied detachment per se? I love the model but at $180nz each i can't see myself shilling for more than one, can you just rock 1 as an ally, inquisitor style?

Yes. It's a distinct Knight detachment. You could take a Primary, Allied, Inquisition, Knights, fortification, Lord of War and Legion of the Damned in the same force if you wanted to.


Personally I like the Codex. The fluff is interesting and I enjoyed reading about it and am now looking forward to a deeper insight into them when I pick up the Companion tomorrow. The rules might not be much but you do get the Superheavy rules as well so everything you need to run a Knight is in the book.

I also liked the mention of some of the other Knight variants (one paragraph) which I hope is an indication something might come of them in the future as GW do remember they exist.

Loopstah wrote:

pax_imperialis wrote:
So is the knight detachment like the inquisitor detachment in that it doesn't count as an allied detachment per se? I love the model but at $180nz each i can't see myself shilling for more than one, can you just rock 1 as an ally, inquisitor style?

Yes. It's a distinct Knight detachment. You could take a Primary, Allied, Inquisition, Knights, fortification, Lord of War and Legion of the Damned in the same force if you wanted to.
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I love allies but this is getting asinine

 wuestenfux wrote:

The knight detachment is separate from allies 1-3 can be taken, Do not score

So one can field an army with an ally detachment, a single super heavy unit, and Knight detachment consisting of 1 to 3 non-scoring Knights?

That's correct

 Tiger9gamer wrote:

I love allies but this is getting asinine

Who needs the force org chart anyways?

Quote this if you're a strong, proud gamer who don't need no chart to tell you what you can and can't bring.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

The knight detachment is separate from allies 1-3 can be taken, Do not score

So one can field an army with an ally detachment, a single super heavy unit, and Knight detachment consisting of 1 to 3 non-scoring Knights?

Knights are scoring....

SRSFACE - erm, you realise that the table is optional? IF you want....not YOU MUST.

Nope, not if its the Knight allied detachment, Knights are only scoring if they are the primary.


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DOOMONYOU wrote:
Whats the minumum in a primary detachment? 3? one for warlord and 2 as troops?

Primary is minimum 3 max 6 (although you can ally in 3 more)

Knight detachment of NON SCORING knights is 1-3.

Any fluff involving the Necrons in the book?

 Tiger9gamer wrote:

Loopstah wrote:

pax_imperialis wrote:
So is the knight detachment like the inquisitor detachment in that it doesn't count as an allied detachment per se? I love the model but at $180nz each i can't see myself shilling for more than one, can you just rock 1 as an ally, inquisitor style?

Yes. It's a distinct Knight detachment. You could take a Primary, Allied, Inquisition, Knights, fortification, Lord of War and Legion of the Damned in the same force if you wanted to.
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I love allies but this is getting asinine

Yeah currently an army can look like this:

Mantleseer
2 units of 3 jetbikes
Baron
5 warriors
Imperial Knight
5 legion of the damned
Inquisitor
Fireblade formation
Stormblade formation

fething Frankenhammer.



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 MoonlightSonata wrote:
Any fluff involving the Necrons in the book?

Not that I've gotten to yet.

prowla wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:


There is mention of traitor Knights of house Drakon leading a daemon army.

Yet can't ally with Chaos

No worries. The Codex: Chaos Knights is next month. It's the same Codex, sprinkled with cool flames and evil black spikes. Notable changes in the Codex: Chaos Knights includes: allies table is upside down, one Knight is painted pea soup green, and the mandatory random table is for 'chaos god traits'. Oh, and throwing a 1 is 'replace your Chaos Knight model with a Chaos Spawn model'. Have fun!

Exalts for lulz!
On a side note maybe we can grimoire our Knights!
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Except, Lord, no, just no. I would not wanna hear people's reaction to that.

Frozen Ocean wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:What about the profile? It is a superheavy, walker so has all the usual rules - smash, HoW, etc - that a SH walker would have.

SRSFACE - and so is quoting out of context.

You stated once that iwas comically stupid as fact, then correctly stated it is your opinion. In my opinion getting so clearly agitated over an optional rule in a codex you seemingly have no interest in using, meaning you will not even have to make the choice yourself, is not the most constructive use of energy.

Actually, you were being a giant dick about it. SRS quoted the part where you were being a giant dick, namely the bit where you essentially said "no you can't have an opinion, you're dumb". SRS' statement about it being "comically stupid" isn't getting "clearly agitated", it's laughing at how stupid a rule is. Hence the word "comically".

Yes, they're harder to kill than Land Raiders. They're also a lot more expensive, and an army of these is going to be a very small number of models. It's not like it's Codex: Riptides. If your army can deal with heavy armour, it can deal with Knights. It really isn't that hard to deal with AV13, people, even if it does get an invuln (which is only for one facing, by the way).

I think the fact that you choose which facing is deceptively good. Anyone worth their salt using one of these things is going to make it damn hard for you surround it.

That, and the fact that it's none too unlikely that I lose whatever I kill it with if I kill it in CC make it stupid to me.

I'm just really not on board with all this Knight business, and it's a farce that they called it a Codex. Seriously 2 units with no upgrades, and a couple random tables? feth off GW

Oh yes, I agree that the Codex thing is a complete farce (not only a Codex, we also have the Limited Edition and the Companion Guide thing! GW really is determined to milk this as much as they can). And yes, of course a good player is going to use their directional shield effectively, and avoid being surrounded. That's a good thing! Player skill and strategy should be part of the game, after all, and deciding on a facing for the shield adds a welcome layer of tactical thinking to Knights, whether playing them or fighting them. Even so, though, a 4++ is not invincibility, and choosing the facing is definitely a weakness (relative to having an all-around invuln all the time). It's also good to finally see a walker unit that is actually a kind of walker and not a "Monstrous Creature".

@ Ravenous D :

No, no, no, you've got it all wrong, you just have to forge a narrative for that force.

Mantleseer -- Got tired of walking the Path so he meets up with the Baron for a week in Dark Eldar Vegas
2 units of 3 jetbikes --Brings his drinking buddies
Baron -- But wait, the Baron's got something up his sleeve: He's gonna set up the Inquisition to nail the Farseer!
5 warriors -- Wingmates
Imperial Knight -- the Inquisitor brought a toy. . .
5 legion of the damned -- Some Ghosts show up (you can't predict the supernatural, alright?)
Inquisitor -- Blindly grasping at any chance to kill a Psyker
Fireblade formation
Stormblade formation

But here's the zinger: they all have to work together when Marneus Calgar, 2 squads of Scouts, Buffmander, 10 Kroots, an Inquisitor who doesn't approve of the other Inquisitor's methods plus afforementioned Inquisitor's very own Imperial Knight, a Tau Fire Suppor Formation, and the Aquila Stronghold that they brought from McCragge all showed up to Dark Eldar Vegas to ruin their respective days.

Ok yeah this is getting pretty ridiculous




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 Frozen Ocean wrote:
Oh yes, I agree that the Codex thing is a complete farce (not only a Codex, we also have the Limited Edition and the Companion Guide thing! GW really is determined to milk this as much as they can). And yes, of course a good player is going to use their directional shield effectively, and avoid being surrounded. That's a good thing! Player skill and strategy should be part of the game, after all, and deciding on a facing for the shield adds a welcome layer of tactical thinking to Knights, whether playing them or fighting them. Even so, though, a 4++ is not invincibility, and choosing the facing is definitely a weakness (relative to having an all-around invuln all the time). It's also good to finally see a walker unit that is actually a kind of walker and not a "Monstrous Creature".

Yeah I suppose. I still don't like that they exist, but my initial gut reaction of "not now, not evah" has subsided somewhat and I wouldn't be opposed to playing against one. (though I don't see my self ever wanting to own one)

But yeah I actually do wish I was a monstrous creature so I could deal with him like I deal with most MCs: Be'Lakor

Yeah ol' Bela can do it to this guy too, he's just probably gonna die in the process

 MoonlightSonata wrote:
Any fluff involving the Necrons in the book?

Yes.

Is the Transcendent C'tan the new Avatar of Khaine or something?

Astro, I don't know Be'lakor's rules, but can't he use an ability called something like Puppet Master to control any enemy unit? I've seen this done to a Revenant Titan, so I assume it can work on a Knight.

I mostly want one because I really like the model and greatly look forward to a Chaos variant, either converted or Forge World's if I like the look of it. It seems like a really fun unit to play with, combined with a points cost so high that I really think it's fairly balanced. The idea of a whole army of them is a bit silly, though. It seems entirely constructed to force people to buy multiples of the kit if they want to field even one. Well, I'm houseruling that I can have one. Mostly, though, I'll be happy with the model even if I don't get to play with it often. It'll be a great centerpiece for my Chaos army on display, and I quite like how I've worked it into my own fluff.

Yeah it can but I meant killing him the old fashioned way: chopping him up with Baby Bela's Ap2 armorbane sword

Puppet Master basically allows you to make a shooting attack with one of your opponent's models at his other models during your shooting phase.

 astro_nomicon wrote:


Exalts for lulz!
On a side note maybe we can grimoire our Knights!

Rofl.

That would be awesome. Very broken but sooooo funny.

 astro_nomicon wrote:
@ Ravenous D :

No, no, no, you've got it all wrong, you just have to forge a narrative for that force.

Mantleseer -- Got tired of walking the Path so he meets up with the Baron for a week in Dark Eldar Vegas
2 units of 3 jetbikes --Brings his drinking buddies
Baron -- But wait, the Baron's got something up his sleeve: He's gonna set up the Inquisition to nail the Farseer!
5 warriors -- Wingmates
Imperial Knight -- the Inquisitor brought a toy. . .
5 legion of the damned -- Some Ghosts show up (you can't predict the supernatural, alright?)
Inquisitor -- Blindly grasping at any chance to kill a Psyker
Fireblade formation
Stormblade formation

But here's the zinger: they all have to work together when Marneus Calgar, 2 squads of Scouts, Buffmander, 10 Kroots, an Inquisitor who doesn't approve of the other Inquisitor's methods plus afforementioned Inquisitor's very own Imperial Knight, a Tau Fire Suppor Formation, and the Aquila Stronghold that they brought from McCragge all showed up to Dark Eldar Vegas to ruin their respective days.

Ok yeah this is getting pretty ridiculous

How did you find my Fanfiction?

What exactly is a Knight Freeblade?

is this basically like a made up chapter of space marines?

A freeblade is basically a Knight that for whatever reason and has become a loner/pirate/mercenary.

 Krellnus wrote:
A freeblade is basically a Knight that for whatever reason and has become a loner/pirate/mercenary.

But yet has enough morals not to be corrupted by Chaos.

I swear, GW kicks us traitors in the nads then does a very Nelsonesque "Ha Ha" for good measure.

can your IK army consist of free blades?

does it have to be from a particular house?

Johnnytorrance wrote:
can your IK army consist of free blades?

does it have to be from a particular house?

Does it matter? They're all the same model, just paint them how you like and throw them on the table. If you want, make up some fluff about a freeblade getting paid by a wealthy house to fight for them or owing them some debt of gratitude.

Johnnytorrance wrote:
can your IK army consist of free blades?

does it have to be from a particular house?

Its just a matter of Colour scheme so yeah!


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Johnnytorrance wrote:
What exactly is a Knight Freeblade?

is this basically like a made up chapter of space marines?

Its noble house that existed before the emperor, the knights are passed down the blood line, there is no set number. They joined with the mechanicus and some titan legions.

Freeblade is simply Noble (Knight) who isnt part of living House. It can be last of the House, disgraced renegade, man who decided to fight as mercenary etc. Only rule is - still fights for IoM. So, suck it, Chaos

I had a look this morning, I was quite impressed!

They managed to stay gender neutral for a whole two paragraphs before giving up and just saying "yeah, all knights are blokes".

Then again, it avoid stating that the Carmine Vengeance is a man, unlike all the other sample Freeblades.

My pet theory? Crossdressing shenanigans leading to being kicked out of her House for usurping her brothers' rightful place as a Noble!

The rolling is ridiculous optional or not...

They could have killed 2 birds with one stone easily, Drop the random BS and give entries in the book to make it at least LOOK like they have a FoC with some choices.


0-1 HQ= current Seneschal rules

0-2 Elite= +1 BS and WS, but 4++ shield

Troops= Knight apparent rules(BS2 and 5++) at a reduced points cost. Pay points for the options to upgrade to a 4++ and/or BS 3

Also add a half freaking sprue to the 140 dollar kit so you can add a third weapon for a troop choice and some gear for a heavy support choice.

For the cost of tooling a 3rd sprue and 2 pages of England's(China's?) finest vellum, you get rid of the random roll crap for 400 point units AND you have a REAL codex with actual unit choices. It seems like a no brainer to me.

A slight amount of creative rules writing and you CAN make a codex from one kit, they just didn't even try.

I love the IK kit
I love 40k
But I hate the supreme lazy and greedy direction GW is steering it into.

Frankly, the idea that they'd let anyone so poorly trained as to be BS2 anywhere near a Knight suit is the most ridiculous thing in this book.

According to the Guard codex, it takes three weeks of rifle drill to train someone up to BS3.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Frankly, the idea that they'd let anyone so poorly trained as to be BS2 anywhere near a Knight suit is the most ridiculous thing in this book.

According to the Guard codex, it takes three weeks of rifle drill to train someone up to BS3.

I was thinking of it more as learning to use the equipment effectively. IE A recruit to the knightly order that is new to driving the Mech.

Either way more options and less random would have reduced much complaining about the content and price point of the book. My point was that it can be done with one kit.

They can do that hunting predators on their home worlds. Nobody in their right minds sends untrained rookies into a warzone when they have another option.

No, Cadian Whiteshields do not have another option.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Frankly, the idea that they'd let anyone so poorly trained as to be BS2 anywhere near a Knight suit is the most ridiculous thing in this book.

According to the Guard codex, it takes three weeks of rifle drill to train someone up to BS3.

Rules and fluff are 100% different things, and you managed to put them in the same sentence!

So I have the book, the rules we've all discussed a fair bit. but here's some intreasting fluff tidbits.


1st: The book says the errant and Paladin are the most common models, but specificly says the Lancer, Castellian and Crusader Knights all exist. I could see GW giving us rules for them in a future dataslate or on forge world.

2ndly: they talk about Knights falling to Chaos and mention they basicly become deamon posssed etc. but that "knights that fall to chaos are actually quite rare, because the Throne Mechanium tends to imprint certin traits onto the knights, duty, honor, a sense of heirarchy and a degree of conservitism, thus it seems makes knights somewhat resistant to the call of chaos. not that it doesn't happen, it does, just that I suspect Knights where one of the exceptions to the "half to Horus" rule of the heresy.


these are the two stand out bits of fluff for me.

the first is a definate hint that GW might introduce other knights in the future. (my guess is they went with just two to start with as a test to see the response. apparently knights are selling like hotcakes),

the second kinda explains why chaos doesn't have knights, fallen knights are apparently quite rare, and it sounds like they swiftly become fairly differnt

I really don't care about the cost of the model, the codex of just filler or miliking of the release, that's just business. Then I flicked through the store copy of the Codex.



I really wanted to use an Imperial Knight. But my armies are Orks, Tyranids and Necrons. Forget about the whole, "it's your game do what you want," because it's not. The game involves other people and I want to play the game as close to RAW as possible.

GW have surely lost many sales with that stupid aliies matrix.