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Took me a white but I remembered where I'd seen the Taurox before





I think Copplestone used to make a model of this...

Anyone know if Vendetta's are getting nerfed?

I think it's absurd to think they won't be.

They were undercosted, overeffective, and a blatant ripoff of the Vulture Gunship.

 Lone Cat wrote:

Pedro Kantor wrote:
1. It is a Salvo 2 / 4 | S 4 | AP 3 weapon and the squad can take 2 of them.

2. Not at 11 / 10 / 10 it isn't. As has been mentioned, it will be targeted for first blood and to make your Scions footslog to where you want them.

1. So the volleygun is Scion exclusive one? And does it serve a modern SAW function if normal Infantry section can take it too?
2. So it makes Taurox a hummer . correct?

1. I don't know.
2. Yes, and we learned how that worked out in Iraq. (spoiler alert: it sucked)

Any news on Sentinels yet? Lose any rules? Nerfed?

 MWHistorian wrote:
Any news on Sentinels yet? Lose any rules? Nerfed?

There's a rumor going around that they lose the armored option...which would be so stupid.

Is it safe to believe that this time next week there should be alot more info because of the next white dwarf will have more IG/ whatever its name is?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
Any news on Sentinels yet? Lose any rules? Nerfed?

There's a rumor going around that they lose the armored option...which would be so stupid.

Why does GW suddenly have the habit of removing options from codexes? Or is this a "maybe they'll be in a later data slate if we get around to it" kind of situation?

Goresaw wrote:
I just realized the kind of funny reason the Taurox can reroll difficult terrain tests. The writer saw that it has 4 tracks. Which is double the amount of tracks on a chimera. Therefore, more tracks = less likely to get stuck. Right? Physics?

According to the White Dwarf article, the Taurox has 2 mag plates underneath it hat help lift it off the ground while going at high speeds.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Took me a white but I remembered where I'd seen the Taurox before





I think Copplestone used to make a model of this...

He needs to reroll his failed terrain test.


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Tagony wrote:
Anyone know if Vendetta's are getting nerfed?

Valkyries will get vendetta upgrade & weapon options, ergo, vendettas are gone in name sake, and they can transport...

General Hobbs wrote:



According to the White Dwarf article, the Taurox has 2 mag plates underneath it hat help lift it off the ground while going at high speeds.

This has to be a joke.

 Blacksails wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:



According to the White Dwarf article, the Taurox has 2 mag plates underneath it hat help lift it off the ground while going at high speeds.

This has to be a joke.

OMG, GW got the idea from the (real) German Sd.Kfz.254 Tracked Armored Scout Car Bronco.

http://www.ipmsusa3.org/gallery/v/box_art_album/Armor/AFV/Axis/BRONCOsdkfz254trackedScoutCar.jpg.html

From 1936, the RRT was developed by Saurer as an artillery tractor for the Austrian army. Testing was completed and in 1937, an order was placed for the tractors which were manufactured in 1938. About 12 vehicles were made prior to “Anschluss”. After Austria was incorporated into Germany in 1938, the vehicle continued to be manufactured. Records indicate that a total of 140 units were built. The new designator for Germany was Sd Kfz 254. Notable features of this tank were its wheel-cum-track layout and a diesel motor.

Depending on terrain and speed, they could switch from wheels to tracks...."...to help lift it off the ground while going at high speeds."

General Hobbs wrote:
According to the White Dwarf article, the Taurox has 2 mag plates underneath it hat help lift it off the ground while going at high speeds.

...

Please tell me you're joking about this.

Zengu wrote:
Is it safe to believe that this time next week there should be alot more info because of the next white dwarf will have more IG/ whatever its name is?

We'll probably know more about the next "wave." Earlier rumors stated that IG/AM will be released over a 3 week period. I'm assuming that the MT release this weekend will be "week 1," with the two following weeks being dedicated to the remainder of the release.

Allow me to quote myself:

 Mr.Omega wrote:

PanzerLeader wrote:

 Ministry wrote:
As a non-IG player these transports have "KILL ME FIRST" written all over them. Especially the Taurox prime as its more of a threat with its fast + guns options.

Taking out these paperweights will be quick and merciless for my Necrons, Tau, Eldar and Space Marine armies.

Which is fine, but it comes at the cost of not shooting at the other nasty things inside the IG list. These transports are quick, deadly, and a viable enough threat to compete as a target priority with IG tanks and artillery. I think the Taurox Prime makes a balanced mech IG list better.

I'm lolling at people who think armour is even an issue at this point

If you field light vehicles the reality is they're going to die anyway. There are many ways you can mitigate the issue, starting by not being a complete idiot that dismisses them before you've even used them.

1) Use Leman Russes as an AV14 front barrier/manipulate LOS
2) Use invuln/cover generators
3) If nothing else, you've got a cheap distraction that was never really critical to your plan in the first place unless you shoved a 10 man Stormie squad inside them (lol don't)
4) Accept the fact that they die and make sure they fire enough to justify their cost before they do


The 90 point Taurox Prime with TL Gatling and TL Hotshot Volley Gun is going to be absolute murder at 24''.

Why?

TL Gatling, BS4:
4.444 wounds on MEQ, 1.481 MEQ unsaved wounds
5.926 wounds on GEQ, 3.951 GEQ unsaved wounds (assuming 5+)

TL HSVG, BS4:
1.778 wounds on MEQ, 1.778 unsaved wounds
2.370 wounds on GEQ, 2.370 GEQ unsaved wounds

Total:
6.222 wounds inflicted on MEQ, 3.259 MEQ unsaved wounds
8.296 wounds inflicted on GEQ, 6.321 GEQ unsaved wounds

And comparing to the DE Venom with 2x SC:
4 wounds inflicted on MEQ and GEQ, 1.333 unsaved wounds on MEQ or 4 unsaved wounds on GEQ

You lost a 5+ jink, gain one AV, don't have to worry about terrain in movement, get an extra hull point, and pay about 25-30 points extra depending on how well my memory is doing. The Venom is revered as one of the greatest weapons the DE have, yet people find no appeal in the Taurox. Heh.

The Taurox Prime with TL Gatling is mental.

I wouldn't even put the Stormies inside the Taurox, I'd deep strike them and buy the Taurox Primes as dedicated transports for them.

The WD says that in the Codex, the Scions will get their own unique orders. Maybe those will make them more appealing?

 Peregrine wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:
According to the White Dwarf article, the Taurox has 2 mag plates underneath it hat help lift it off the ground while going at high speeds.

...

Please tell me you're joking about this.

It's not. Page 30 shows off the part in question.

 Blacksails wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:



According to the White Dwarf article, the Taurox has 2 mag plates underneath it hat help lift it off the ground while going at high speeds.

This has to be a joke.

Read it with my own eyes. They even showed a pic of the mag plates. Its in the back of the magazine in a small blurb.


They also mention Steel Legion, Vostroyans, Mordians and Catachans in the articles, so I guess that is good news for those armies....

 Kroothawk wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
At first I thought the Taurox had 2 engines because of the headers at the front and the exhaust stacks at the rear... I just realised the headers run back IN to the vehicle and then out again to the exhaust stacks.

Yes, and everyone who wants to flee from the exhausts filling the cabin is shot by the autocannons pointing at the doors

BTW the interior shows that the tracked vehicle is steered by a steering wheel!

The WD actually says you can choose between mounting the TL autocannons in the turret on on the hul - Now why would I exchange a 360 degree high mounted turret with a medium-low fixed mount?

...And FYI - most AFV's today are steered by wheel both tracked and wheeled - Its actually one of the few realistic vehicle features I've seen from GW in a long time! (Yes, yes "realistic" )

 Treadheadz wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
At first I thought the Taurox had 2 engines because of the headers at the front and the exhaust stacks at the rear... I just realised the headers run back IN to the vehicle and then out again to the exhaust stacks.

Yes, and everyone who wants to flee from the exhausts filling the cabin is shot by the autocannons pointing at the doors

BTW the interior shows that the tracked vehicle is steered by a steering wheel!

The WD actually says you can choose between mounting the TL autocannons in the turret on on the hul - Now why would I exchange a 360 degree high mounted turret with a medium-low fixed mount?

...And FYI - most AFV's today are steered by wheel both tracked and wheeled - Its actually one of the few realistic vehicle features I've seen from GW in a long time! (Yes, yes "realistic" )

look closer at model, the roof obstructs it from turning, more like 2 degrees of movement.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Treadheadz wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
At first I thought the Taurox had 2 engines because of the headers at the front and the exhaust stacks at the rear... I just realised the headers run back IN to the vehicle and then out again to the exhaust stacks.

Yes, and everyone who wants to flee from the exhausts filling the cabin is shot by the autocannons pointing at the doors

BTW the interior shows that the tracked vehicle is steered by a steering wheel!

The WD actually says you can choose between mounting the TL autocannons in the turret on on the hul - Now why would I exchange a 360 degree high mounted turret with a medium-low fixed mount?

...And FYI - most AFV's today are steered by wheel both tracked and wheeled - Its actually one of the few realistic vehicle features I've seen from GW in a long time! (Yes, yes "realistic" )

look closer at model, the roof obstructs it from turning, more like 2 degrees of movement.

GW Design team...we need to talk. Sit down a second.
I know you're making models for a sci-fi/fantasy setting so you're allowed to let your imagination go wild. That said, certain things still have to be based in reality. For example, humans still look and act like humans unless there's a specific reason they don't. (example: mutation from planet's harsh atmosphere.) There are also other things to consider like vehicle design. As a military veteran and someone with basic common sense, let me be the first to tell you that mounting a large, autocannon on the rear fender is neither stable, efficient nor effective. In fact, its one of the worst places to mount a gun not counting slung under the rear axle and pointing at the treads. Sci-fi/fantasy setting yes, but laws of reason should still apply.
Let's now go to this autocannon turret you have pictured above. Do you see the height of the cannon? Now look at the rotation of it. See the problem? Yeah, that's right. It can't actually turn. That would be a design flaw. You see, in this 40k universe we've established that there are demonic forces that can bend the laws of physics, but no such power has been granted to the Imperium. Seeing as how the laws of physics are still in place, the turret design has a major problem. These are things that should be figured out before a model goes into production. In order to let the customer buy into the crazy parts of the world, you have to keep them grounded in as much realism as possible. This throws the viewer right out of the realm of believability and into the "I think this was designed by a twelve year old" category.

All of this is assuming that piece is actually meant to rotate. I'm not convinced.

Of course, from a utility standpoint, it'd be better if it did rotate, so you can actually aim the gun, but hey.

That said... which is sillier? A gun mount that doesn't rotate to allow for aim without moving the whole vehicle... or a gun mount that's meant to rotate but gets caught on the hull? Either way...

 MrFlutterPie wrote:

alphaecho wrote:
My scottish are currently acting as storm troopers at times, but I find their kilts flying up while they deep strike a bit too repulsive to keep them as storm troopers.

If they are "true" Scots everything within 6" should have to take a blind test upon their arrival

 BrookM wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:
According to the White Dwarf article, the Taurox has 2 mag plates underneath it hat help lift it off the ground while going at high speeds.

...

Please tell me you're joking about this.

It's not. Page 30 shows off the part in question.

The best part is that magnets don't work that way. You would have to magnetize the substance underneath it for it to work.

Guess this is what the Taurox can do...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My3hX0_dnPQ

Should have been called Taurangaroo

 MWHistorian wrote:
GW Design team...we need to talk. Sit down a second.

Hold your tongue, vile heretek! The sacred form of The Omnissiah, made manifest in the Taurox, is far beyond your comprehension. The design for His most benificent avatar was pieced together after a millennia long study of a thousand archives and STC data fragments. Three explorator fleets were lost in the Ghoul stars recovering a STC fragment, simply to fit the hinges for the elegant portals upon its flanks. It is not your place to interpret the will of The Omnissiah, for the machine spirits of this divine creation will take offence and strike you down with fire and vengeance.

01000111 01101100 01101111 01110010 01111001 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01010100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01001111 01101101 01101110 01101001 01110011 01110011 01101001 01100001 01101000 00100001

Have you lilly livered ninnies got cotton candy for brains!? This is the Militarium Tempestus private! Our turrets dont need to rotate, cas the only thing they are gonna be shootin at, is anything in front of em. Now hop to it soldier and cover the scions flanks!

 Trickstick wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
GW Design team...we need to talk. Sit down a second.

Hold your tongue, vile heretek! The sacred form of The Omnissiah, made manifest in the Taurox, is far beyond your comprehension. The design for His most benificent avatar was pieced together after a millennia long study of a thousand archives and STC data fragments. Three explorator fleets were lost in the Ghoul stars recovering a STC fragment, simply to fit the hinges for the elegant portals upon its flanks. It is not your place to interpret the will of The Omnissiah, for the machine spirits of this divine creation will take offence and strike you down with fire and vengeance.

01000111 01101100 01101111 01110010 01111001 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01010100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01001111 01101101 01101110 01101001 01110011 01110011 01101001 01100001 01101000 00100001

How did 00100000 01001111 get through Dakka's filters? I'd advise you to watch you language, sir!

Looked at the older pics of the Taurox. The gatling turret can move a smidge to the right, but still move 90 to 95 degrees to the left, for a total of a 98 degree radius...(forward and to the left side).

Swastakowey 583532 6671049 wrote:

If you do that make sure to make use of the bagpipes. I use the bagpipes as my vox caster, very similar range.

All over it like a tramp on chips.

This'll be the first GW release I've bought into for some time. Of course, any major buys will wait until I actually see whats in the new IG Codex.