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 Theophony wrote:
The leviathan was just a joke on my part, but it would be hilarious if GW puts out a Leviathan and tries to claim the name to stick it to Dreamforge Games with their Leviathans I'm sure GW legal is advising to procede with the plan

Except that, you know, 40k has had Leviathans since epic.

GW can't claim the name Leviathan.

I wonder if all these large kits really means that EPIC isn't coming back. Which is a shame as those fan made 30K HH EPIC tanks were amazing and I'd happily jump on the Heresy bandwagon in that scale.

Sorry in advance

A Leviathan Model for the Ned Codex eould be...Epic

 Platuan4th wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 dakkajet wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

 dakkajet wrote:
Nice to see some solid looking Rumors. I'm looking foward to see the new storm troopers.
Fingers crossed...

Where did you see solid rumors?

Stop holding out on us!

I meant that we haven't had anything "big" rumor wise in a few months.

And TalonZahn means that listening to anything Larry Vela says is the same as asking your local psychic hobo about the next 40k release, or perhaps slightly worse.

I asked my local psychic hobo what was coming next for 40K. He said "Plastic Thunder*hurk*" and ranted about the government chip in his teeth then vomited all over my shoes.

Still not fundamentally worse than Larry Vela.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If Forge World is still selling their Death Riders, I think Rough Riders are (sadly) still okay.

Just hope they don't hamfist it into being Cadians with fur hats riding horses or other such nonsense like motorbikes with lances. Make a proper feral looking "regiment" with lots of trophies and adornments and genetically modified Imperial Horses.

I'm hoping we'll get some kind of FOC altering characters and Stormtroopers not being sucky anymore. I would love to have a reason to break my 50 Kasrkin out of their drawer and get them all assembled, cleaned, and painted.

I just assembled my Praetorians riding cold one mounts and i hope nothing happens to them. My personal hope is that they fall in line with death riders and have at LEAST a 4+ armor or maybe 2W (i could care less about the FnP) That would double their life expectancy and make it so they could put those I5 lances to good use

Larry Vela had a bad source the last few months. Doesn't mean he always had bad sources or will always have. We will see.

Hoping for a plastic Thunderbolt. If they bring out a plastic Thunderbolt, I'm buying 3, lol.

Well if the new vets turn. Out to be true I can see my umbrage slip going very soon...

5 kits in three weeks seems a bit excessive.Hope it's true though.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Larry Vela had a bad source the last few months. Doesn't mean he always had bad sources or will always have. We will see.

Well, I've been on Dakka, B&C, Warseer, and BoLs lurking and/or registered for a loooooong time.

I can tell you this, BoLs is just a very loud repeater of the other 3 the majority of the time, and quite often doesn't give credit either.

I would rate them slightly higher than naftka.

Basically, grab some stuff from around the web, toss in some wild stuff, and see what sticks.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If Forge World is still selling their Death Riders, I think Rough Riders are (sadly) still okay.

Just hope they don't hamfist it into being Cadians with fur hats riding horses or other such nonsense like motorbikes with lances. Make a proper feral looking "regiment" with lots of trophies and adornments and genetically modified Imperial Horses.

I'm hoping we'll get some kind of FOC altering characters and Stormtroopers not being sucky anymore. I would love to have a reason to break my 50 Kasrkin out of their drawer and get them all assembled, cleaned, and painted.

Didn't forgeworld keep selling alternate griffon kits while the original was completely removed from the IG codex? And that was as modern a vehicle kit as there was in the IG lineup at that time being sold right up until being disowned instead of the 20 year old never been updated and completely out of date Attilan sculpt that has been completely removed from sale on the GW site for who knows how long. I don't have any "insider" knowledge but the removal of the models from the store coupled with GW's recent habit of removing codex entries without models to sell (see the GW codex) doesn't bode well. I do hope they stay and in fact get new models like Cadians on dirtbikes (no lances though) but I wouldn't invest any money into converting them or buying up old rough riders until we see that they're safe for another 4 years or so.

The problem with the Griffon is that it had been discontinued for some time from GW at that point in time. It was a plastic/metal hybrid and was built for the "old" pattern Chimera/Basilisk kit.

Both of those kits got kind of/sort of redesigned.

I really do not understand the fascination with Rough Riders personally. Sentinels should be the de facto Guard fast attack/"cavalry" option, not guys on horses or dirtbikes.

I think you've got the timing mixed up there IIRC. The griffon was removed from the PREVIOUS Imperial Guard codex (the 3.5 one post 13th crusade) whereas the basilisk/chimera redesign was done for the current codex several years later. If I'm right, you've reversed the cause and effect.

I think rough riders could be cool, but Id want them to ride some kind of alien beast, not horses. Still, I think that a cavalry unit whch much more fit the kroot than the Imeria..... err, Astra militaris

 Kanluwen wrote:

I really do not understand the fascination with Rough Riders personally. Sentinels should be the de facto Guard fast attack/"cavalry" option, not guys on horses or dirtbikes.

You're welcome to not include them in your army, Kan. You're most unwelcome in calling for their removal.

Cavalry in space is all part of the old-is-new grandeur of 40k.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I think rough riders could be cool, but Id want them to ride some kind of alien beast, not horses. Still, I think that a cavalry unit whch much more fit the kroot than the Imeria..... err, Astra militaris

Forge World has Tallam rough riders on mukali steeds if you're interested. They aren't very horse-like at all.

 warboss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
If Forge World is still selling their Death Riders, I think Rough Riders are (sadly) still okay.

Just hope they don't hamfist it into being Cadians with fur hats riding horses or other such nonsense like motorbikes with lances. Make a proper feral looking "regiment" with lots of trophies and adornments and genetically modified Imperial Horses.

I'm hoping we'll get some kind of FOC altering characters and Stormtroopers not being sucky anymore. I would love to have a reason to break my 50 Kasrkin out of their drawer and get them all assembled, cleaned, and painted.

Didn't forgeworld keep selling alternate griffon kits while the original was completely removed from the IG codex? And that was as modern a vehicle kit as there was in the IG lineup at that time being sold right up until being disowned instead of the 20 year old never been updated and completely out of date Attilan sculpt that has been completely removed from sale on the GW site for who knows how long. I don't have any "insider" knowledge but the removal of the models from the store coupled with GW's recent habit of removing codex entries without models to sell (see the GW codex) doesn't bode well. I do hope they stay and in fact get new models like Cadians on dirtbikes (no lances though) but I wouldn't invest any money into converting them or buying up old rough riders until we see that they're safe for another 4 years or so.

I not knocking you in particular, but everyone is saying things like "recent habit of removing codex entries" when it's only happened in the last one and for a very specific (and obnoxious) legal reason. I think Rough Riders might stick around, they have a certain mystique, have been around for a while, plus death riders are pretty popular too. But if it does happen, ill just use my rough riders by allying in Death Korps since theirs are better anyways

TiamatRoar wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
I think rough riders could be cool, but Id want them to ride some kind of alien beast, not horses. Still, I think that a cavalry unit whch much more fit the kroot than the Imeria..... err, Astra militaris

Forge World has Tallam rough riders on mukali steeds if you're interested. They aren't very horse-like at all.

Already saw them, but unfotunately, they kind of have a star wars vibe (which is not a good thing)

warboss wrote:I think you've got the timing mixed up there IIRC. The griffon was removed from the PREVIOUS Imperial Guard codex (the 3.5 one post 13th crusade) whereas the basilisk/chimera redesign was done for the current codex several years later. If I'm right, you've reversed the cause and effect.

The Griffon was still available at the time as a model kit, and as part of Chapter Approved and Forge World.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

I really do not understand the fascination with Rough Riders personally. Sentinels should be the de facto Guard fast attack/"cavalry" option, not guys on horses or dirtbikes.

You're welcome to not include them in your army, Kan. You're most unwelcome in calling for their removal.

Cavalry in space is all part of the old-is-new grandeur of 40k.

Edit note: I've edited my response to read as less confrontational and to better explain my own thoughts on the subject of Rough Riders.

I, personally, would rather see Rough Riders removed than continued in their current format. I just do not see them as being interesting or particularly 40k.
If they were made into a unit that utilized xenos mounts or things like the Death Korps' genetically modified "predator horses", I would find them far more in keeping with the feel of 40k. As it stands now with them just being "guys with pointy hats, power lances, and horses" they feel too much like a relic of the olden days.

If we were to see a Rough Rider redesign, I would love to see them made in the image of a feral regiment with a few 'standard issue' Guard armor plates interspersed with chainmail and tribal designs and a secondary build for the unit not unlike the Vostroyan designs.

 Kanluwen wrote:

warboss wrote:I think you've got the timing mixed up there IIRC. The griffon was removed from the PREVIOUS Imperial Guard codex (the 3.5 one post 13th crusade) whereas the basilisk/chimera redesign was done for the current codex several years later. If I'm right, you've reversed the cause and effect.

The Griffon was still available at the time as a model kit, and as part of Chapter Approved and Forge World.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

I really do not understand the fascination with Rough Riders personally. Sentinels should be the de facto Guard fast attack/"cavalry" option, not guys on horses or dirtbikes.

You're welcome to not include them in your army, Kan. You're most unwelcome in calling for their removal.

Cavalry in space is all part of the old-is-new grandeur of 40k.

You know that whole thing about "opinions"?


You're more than welcome to think they're "part of the old-is-new grandeur of 40k". I'm more than welcome to think they're a relic of when 40k was essentially "Fantasy in Spaaace!".
As it stands, Rough Riders are just bloat on the Codex. They're a sliver stuck in the buttocks of the Guard Codex that the developers keep continuing to shovel in to meet some perceived notion that they have to be there.

It would be far more interesting if they want to continue keeping these older units in there to actually build upon them, to make them unique and to bring them more into line with 40k as it is now rather than 40k as it was then.
The same thing, in my opinion, goes for Ogryn and Ratlings but at least Ogryn are purportedly getting expanded upon a bit more.

I do know that none of this has a damn bit to do with NEWS or RUMORS. Go to Tactics to hash out how good the Rough Riders and Giffons are or aren't. Please.

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Larry Vela had a bad source the last few months. Doesn't mean he always had bad sources or will always have. We will see.

Well, I've been on Dakka, B&C, Warseer, and BoLs lurking and/or registered for a loooooong time.

I can tell you this, BoLs is just a very loud repeater of the other 3 the majority of the time, and quite often doesn't give credit either.

I would rate them slightly higher than naftka.

Basically, grab some stuff from around the web, toss in some wild stuff, and see what sticks.

Larry Vela aka Big Red - Total rumors: (93 TRUE) / (101 FALSE) / (8 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

Considering the rapid drop off in accuracy, my call would be he had a solid info source, which has itself been compromised, or his relationship has been compromised, but rather than bow out of rumourmongering, has continued with pile on rumours, educated guesswork and the odd hit and hope just because he likes whatever buzz he gets off "breaking" this news.

Course, that's just one way of spinning it, it might be that the Nids were his version of the morning after a bad fish taco, and he'll get back on track with this. Maybe.

I would say the dropoff he's had is because the primary, and usually very accurate, sources from Warseer are no longer around.

We digress though.

I like the thought of a new tank vehicle for IG, but it will have to be pretty sweet to stand up alongside the many impressive FW tanks. With the recent cost of large kits from GW though, at this point I would just rather get FW stuff.

I was excited for the IK, but after the price was out, I decided I'd rather just get more FW stuff and get an IK whenever I get around to it.

I image the same will be true with this rumored kit.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
You're most unwelcome in calling for their removal.

Nope. The Kan has spoken. We're not allowed to have Rough Riders, just like when he said we shouldn't get a AdMech army either.

His word is law and lore.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If Forge World is still selling their Death Riders, I think Rough Riders are (sadly) still okay.

You mean like how FW still sells 2 Slaaneshi weapons for Chaos Dreads which are not options on the 'Hellbrute'?

Guessing the IG release is remarkably easy. There's so many kits which simply don't exist for the rules printed in the current book, and while GW has shown willingness to drop things they don't produce, such as the mycetic spore and Doom, they'd have to drop half the IG to do the same here.

I'd say rough-rider and ratlings are the most likely to get dropped; ratlings being the most likely. These are really anachronistic units, and while fun, the models haven't been updated in an age. Ratlings have a sort-of recent metal model, but all the rumours are saying metal is on the way out, pronto, so I'd imagine the copious amount of metal in the IG line will either be replaced or nixed.

Stormtroopers are pretty much guaranteed; it'd be like dropping Space Marine veterans, and a dual veteran kit makes sense, with the commensurate cost. We'll probably get two vehicle releases; the plastic Hydra is much bemoaned, and while it's in sufficient demand that GW might opt not to release it (given their logic) and do something unneccessary and unwanted instead, same with the artillery.

However, both of those two things are pretty key to the Imperial Guard, especially with the current nature of the game, so I'd give solid odds for an artillery and hydra multikit, guaranteed if we were talking about anyone but GW, but you know, they're special.

We'll likely also see some plastic characters. If we were only to get one, I'd say a Commissar is the most likely; only the Lord is in finecast, the rest in metal, and they're a crucial part of the IG aesthetic and rules, always have been. A plastic special character might not be unrealistic, given the Dwarf release, and the metal nature of most IG characters. The rest, I'd imagine, won't exist anymore.

After that, it's anyone's guess really. There's always something genuinely new, and I'm hopeful for a big tank; I'm sick of the walkers, and the IG don't suit walkers at all beyond the sentinel. They're kind of the premier tank army, why not give the players something they'll enjoy? Somewhere along the lines of a Macharius or Malcador. Or just port one of those into plastic, and stop treating FW's backlog of models as sacrosanct, give them more room to produce new stuff, and convert their popular older models into plastic.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
Guessing the IG release is remarkably easy. There's so many kits which simply don't exist for the rules printed in the current book, and while GW has shown willingness to drop things they don't produce, such as the mycetic spore and Doom, they'd have to drop half the IG to do the same here.

I'd say rough-rider and ratlings are the most likely to get dropped; ratlings being the most likely. These are really anachronistic units, and while fun, the models haven't been updated in an age. Ratlings have a sort-of recent metal model, but all the rumours are saying metal is on the way out, pronto, so I'd imagine the copious amount of metal in the IG line will either be replaced or nixed.

We'll likely also see some plastic characters. If we were only to get one, I'd say a Commissar is the most likely; only the Lord is in finecast, the rest in metal, and they're a crucial part of the IG aesthetic and rules, always have been. A plastic special character might not be unrealistic, given the Dwarf release, and the metal nature of most IG characters. The rest, I'd imagine, won't exist anymore.

See, I think Ratlings will survive. They are a unit that adds flavor to IG and their models are not bad looking at all. Seem like an easy move to finecast.

I doubt that IG will lose characters. All of their characters are in resin or will be possible to make out of the ogryn. GW has not dropped a SC yet, so I think the odds of IG losing one are pretty low.

I would pay good money for a Sentinel with AA capabilities.

 Happygrunt wrote:


I doubt that IG will lose characters. All of their characters are in resin or will be possible to make out of the ogryn. GW has not dropped a SC yet, so I think the odds of IG losing one are pretty low.

Schaeffer. Last Chancers.

Remember Gaunt too.

And Lord Solar Macharius.