Does Eldar psychic power Quicken stack?

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**Sir Arun**

If I'm fielding a Seer Council and have a handful of warlocks at my disposal, and happen to roll 3 times quicken/restrain, can I cast them on my seer council and have them run D6 + 9"?

**DrunkenDonkey**

Only bonuses and penalties from different blessings are cumulative. BRB page 68.

**DeathReaper**

DrunkenDonkey wrote:
Only bonuses and penalties from different blessings are cumulative. BRB page 68.

This is not exactly what page 68 says...

It actually says:

"Unless otherwise stated, the effects of multiple different psychic powers are cumulative." (68)

Not it does not say 'Only bonuses and penalties from different blessings are cumulative'

**Sir Arun**

so I guess that also means GK Hammerhand no longer stacks when an IC casts it and the Knights around him as well? This used to be the case in 5th ed.

**rigeld2**

Pretty sure Hammerhand explicitly states otherwise.

**DeathReaper**

Sir Arun wrote:
so I guess that also means GK Hammerhand no longer stacks when an IC casts it and the Knights around him as well? This used to be the case in 5th ed.

It still stacks.

This

"Unless otherwise stated, the effects of multiple different psychic powers are cumulative." (68)

Does not mean that the effects of multiple of the same psychic power do not stack.

**Sir Arun**

Then why doesnt it say:

"Unless otherwise stated, the effects of multiple psychic powers are cumulative."?

**Psienesis**

I believe the operative phrase here might be "multiple different psychic powers". Emphasis mine.

Five dudes casting Hammerhand, or Quicken, is not five different psychic powers, is it?

**grendel083**

Psienesis wrote:
I believe the operative phrase here might be "multiple different psychic powers". Emphasis mine.

Five dudes casting Hammerhand, or Quicken, is not five different psychic powers, is it?

Yes it is.
One is Dave's Hammerhand, one is Bob's Hammerhand... etc

If we both own identical cars, are they different? Yes, one is mine

**Psienesis**

While I would agree with that on a colloquial level, it does then beg the question that Sir Arun posed.

If that's what they meant, why did they not just say "multiple psychic powers stack, unless otherwise stated." ?

**JinxDragon**

Or why have a line in a handful of powers giving them permission to stack?
Literally the 'otherwise stated'

**grendel083**

Who knows?
But if they didn't want them to stack, why didn't they say same powers don't stack?

Or word it like the Special Rules section, which is almost a direct copy-paste job, except for the sentence that prevents stacking?

**Psienesis**

The root of the problem is the unclear definition of "different", as it could be equally defined as being from different casters of the same power, or different powers of different names.

Coming at it from the perspective of many table-top RPGs, in many such games, buffs to the same statistic of the same type often do not stack (and, in the cases where they do stack, are explicitly stated to stack). So, for example, if a game provides an "enhancement bonus" from a source to, say, Strength, only 1 such enhancement bonus can be applied. If 5 guys cast 5 different spells that all grant a +1 enhancement bonus to your Strength... you get a net +1 strength. If a 6th guy comes along and casts a +2 "holy bonus" to your Strength, now you've got a +3.

**PrinceRaven**

The wording of "different" doesn't matter as that rule would not deny permission regardless of what "different" means in this context. What It really depends on is what "the power" refers to in "Whilst the power is in effect". Is it the power Quicken in and of itself or that specific manifestation of Quicken?

Psienesis wrote:
While I would agree with that on a colloquial level, it does then beg the question that Sir Arun posed.

If that's what they meant, why did they not just say "multiple psychic powers stack, unless otherwise stated." ?

Because a lot of them don't stack with themselves, like Invisibility.