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Hi there,

Is my 1st post but i've been around spying,complotting and gossip about ya all for a while now
However,i'm an old (in many ways) player and after some good years clashing my DE on the fantasy table i decided to go back to my 1st miniature game ever, WH40K!
Now aside boring detail i'm building a BA army and is almost complete,i ve been reading the new rulebook and after some snitchin around i belive i'm ready to try.
I made a 1750 point list but i wanna test a smaller one to get back into the game and rules.
My idea is to get in CC as fast and more effective as possible meanwhile i cover my objectives with some basic help.
I love the idea of the death company and the pain in the @$$ can be the stormraven when get into action with the dreddy and the assault squad storming from all sides.
so this is the 1750 that im building:


+ HQ + (125pts)

* Librarian
Blood Lance, Might of Heroes, Terminator Armour

+ Elites + (225pts)

* Terminator Assault Squad x5
Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield

+ Troops + (895pts)

* Assault Squad x10
Flamer, Meltagun , Retain Jump Packs
* Assault Sergeant
Bolt Pistol, Chainsword

* Assault Squad x10
Flamer, Meltagun , Retain Jump Packs
* Assault Sergeant
Bolt Pistol, Chainsword

* Death Company x5
4x Bolt Pistol, 5x Chainsword, , Infernus Pistol , 5x Jump Pack

* Death Company Dreadnought
Blood Talons

* Tactical Squad x10
Multi Melta,
* Tactical Sergeant
Bolter, Chainsword

+ Fast Attack + (290pts)

* Baal Predator
(Scouts)
Heavy Bolters, Twin Linked Assault Cannon

* Baal Predator
(Scouts)
Heavy Bolters, Twin Linked Assault Cannon

+ Heavy Support + (215pts)

* Stormraven Gunship
Extra Armour , Twin Linked Lascannon, Twin Linked Multi Melta
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From this i wanna try a 1000 pt version that looks like this:


+ HQ + (125pts)

* Librarian
Blood Lance, Shield of Sanguinius, Terminator Armour


+ Troops + (729pts)

* Assault Squad x5
Retain Jump Packs
* Assault Sergeant
Bolt Pistol, Chainsword


* Assault Squad x6
Flamer , Retain Jump Packs
* Assault Sergeant
Bolt Pistol, Chainsword


* Death Company x5
5x Bolt Pistol, 5x Chainsword,5x Jump Pack


* Death Company Dreadnought
Blood Talons

* Tactical Squad x9
Flamer, Multi Melta
* Tactical Sergean
Bolt Pistol, Chainsword

+ Fast Attack + (145pts)

* Baal Predator
(Scouts)
Heavy Bolters, Twin Linked Assault Cannon



pls feel free to swear,curse and spit and more suggest

Hi there,

Welcome back to 40k I take it that you like a challenge by picking DE and BA!!

So before anyone else gets in, I warn you now BA players on here don't like tactical marines lol. If you want something shooty may I point you in the direction of sternguard and their 5pt combi weapons, everyone else gets them for 10 I think!

See if you can get some transports for your troops. Footslogging, especially with our very expensive, and very small, units tends to favour your opponent. If we were slightly tougher than normal marines it could work but unfortunately we didn't get the love.

I like the dakka Baal but I would worry about one being too much of a target on its own. See if you can get a buddy to run alongside it.

Death company will no doubt cause a debate (they always do) but if you like then stick to your guns. They're expensive and can't hold objectives but if your opponent doesn't respect them they can cause a world of pain. Sometimes that distraction alone can be worth the points.

Best of luck with your first game back, I hope you have lots of fun!

Hi,thanks for the welcome and yeah...if is an easy victory ain't playn

thanks for the suggestion,i think that i ll change with the sternguard with a rhino leaving the tactical marines and one assaulter,just unsecure wich weapon pick up,multimelta and heavy bolter sounds fair?

for the Baal i was thinkin to prove how good is cause i'd like some firepower without throw points on land raider.
Thanks for the suggestions!

My concern with the heavy bolter and multi melta is that you can't move and fire.

The special issue ammo they use is pretty good and the combi weapons give you the best of both worlds for 1 turn (at 1k you shouldn't need to pop too many high AV vehicles).

Make sure to keep the Baal in cover as best you can. One unit scouting up at the start will be a big target so you need to keep it safe until the cavalry arrives.

Once you get some games under your belt you will get a feel for what works for you and you can update your army to suit that. I could recommend my favourites but if they don't suit your style then they won't be much use to you.

Ps - give Corbulo a try at some point. I don't think you'll be disappointed. 2+ save can tank a lot of wounds for you, just be careful of strength 8+ weaponry.

Oh man this forum is so crowded is great!

I understand what you mean and actually with those heavy weapon they go a bit out also of the "charge or die tryn" theme of my army. I just wanted some firepower,that's why I was thinking a razorback instead of the rhino.

Ye I actually had a fast game a month ago and my Baal(s) got abused in couple of turn from the enemy artillery ...

I was thinking to test some of the char but I don't know how much they are accepted nowadays in gaming tournament and new environment;I don't want get too dependent from them to loose them later on.
Anyway I know is a hell of point to use but the honor guard is friggin awesome!
Thanks btw!

Okie dokie, so as the above posters have noted, take what you like, what works for you.

What I'm about to notate is what I like to take when I get serious. For any fun games, standing around the table with buddies drinkin and laughing, I just take whatever tickles my fancy.

I always take a Storm Raven. Either barebones with MM and LC or sporting Hurricane Bolters, MM and TLAC so it can play a double roll. I've considered using the Typhoon on this set up but haven't bothered to proxy it in a game yet. And for 255 pts, it's a little hefty.

Next, I always take a Land Raider. Terminators are optional for me but something, Death Co or even just an Assault Squad in a regular LR or LRC makes a huge difference on the tabletop and if you do take it with the ASM, you get a discount!

While we're on the subject of terminators and death co: I always run my Termies (both kinds) and Sternies/Tycho with Brother C. He's my man for expensive, hard hitting units that I want to stick around.

As for Death Co, I don't think they need anyone to accompany them but I either take a big enough swarm with jetpacks (that they cost as much as my Land Raider +squad anyway) to pose a threat even before special weapons or I don't bother with the jetpack option and just put them in the Land Raider. This is a good place to hide my warlord, like a Librarian with Shield of Sanguinius and Unleash Rage, Chapter Master Seth or a Reclusiarch. As for weapons, I keep it simple. Two Thunderhammers or Powerfists. Anything that doesn't die to weight of Str 5 attacks, dies to Fisting.

As a general tip, I wouldn't mix weapons on squads. They do better with 2 x melta gun or 2 x flamer than they do with one of each. Same for the tactical squad and their weapons. There's a reason C:SM players take (combix, specialx, heavyx) because that's what works best.

On the subject of Dreads, I believe the best dreads are dreads in pods. For DC, I like to take Magna Grapple and Blood Talons so they can drop on turn 1, aim at a tank and not waste a turn of shooting and be a threat on turn 2. For the Furioso, replacing the melta gun with a Frag Cannon and trading the storm bolter up for a Heavy Flamer and putting him in a pod is pure magic.

For tanks, I believe the TLAC is a better Land Raider weapon and the Flamestorm cannon is much much more suited to the Baal Predator. With Scouts and Outflank, it's almost always guaranteed to hit something juicy and being fast it can always move 12" and fire the FS cannon and one Heavy Bolter. If only our Land Raider Redeemer was Fast...

And as your first responder noted, we don't like tacticals here feel free to use them, but me, I would always rather have a discounted or free transport, two special weapons and some extra attacks from CCWs in the unit than Boltguns and a Heavy weapon.

One final and very important note, get yourself some damn priests! Your marines are going to drop like flies!

It's always up to you what you take. I mean hell, I run Sanguinary Guard and Vanguard Veterans regularly, even though everyone says they suck, because their mechanics are different and they're fun units to throw on the table and at my opponent (S. guard's swords are very pointy indeed!) Just have fun with your list, you're already playing Blood Angels. Might as well enjoy the ride

Curbulo in front of termis w/ storm shields walking up the field isn't half bad. he tanks regular shooting, using his one reroll to save it when he fails, and look out sir the rest.

ok guys things just got real ^_^

so let's see, for the stormraven i m a huge fan,i just need to buy the model ... cause my ground idea was to deepstrike with the stormraven and the whole death company with in.
but this aint gonna happen in 1000 pt.

the termi i want them to teleport and ring the hell bells on the poor foes faces, that's why 5 thunder hammer.

Sanguinary priest,my bad,there it goes. Drop pod,same same,it' ll help the vanguard.

Corbulo: is it possible to play special char always is like some years ago that some people won't accept them ?

This is the new armylist after the good suggestions:

BA try (998pts)


HQ (125pts)

Librarian
Shield of Sanguinius, Terminator Armour , Unleash Rage


Elites

Sanguinary Priests
Power Armour
Chainsword, Combi-Flamer Jump Pack

Sternguard Veteran Squad
3x Boltgun, 2x Combi-Melta, 5x Sternguard
Drop Pod
Storm Bolter
Sergeant
Bolter, Chainsword


Troops (502pts)

Assault Squad 5x
Retain Jump Packs
Assault Sergeant
Bolt Pistol, Chainsword


Assault Squad 5x
Retain Jump Packs
Assault Sergeant
Bolt Pistol, Chainsword

Death Company x4
4x Bolt Pistol, 4x Chainsword, 4x Jump Pack

Death Company Dreadnought
Blood Talons, Searchlight


Fast Attack (116pts)

Baal Predator
Scouts
Flamestorm Cannon, Searchlight (lost the stormbolter ^_^)

I've never had someone get annoyed with me taking Corbulo. Named characters seem to be a part of every space marine, and associated chapters, lists.

Is the librarian going with the sternguard? Otherwise he could slow down your assault troops.

As you up the points look to add a pod to the dreadnought. You want him in CC ASAP!

 Emicrania wrote:

Death Company x4
4x Bolt Pistol, 4x Chainsword, 4x Jump Pack

Death Company Dreadnought
Blood Talons, Searchlight

You need at least 5 DC units for the dread

Pod is in to do list

Librarian is gonna be with the sternguard.

What do you mean you "need" 5 DC for the dreddy?

You can take a death company dreadnought for every 5 death company models in the list,

S**t...I'll fix that ASAP...


Automatically Appended Next Post:
so,this is the BA 1000 definitive collection,thanks to all the people that helped:

+++ BA 1000 (1000pts) +++

+ HQ + (125pts)
* Librarian
Blood Boil, Might of Heroes, Terminator Armour

+ Elites + (270pts)
* Sanguinary Priest
* Power Armour
Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Jump Pack

* Sternguard Veterans
4x Boltgun, 2x Combi-Melta, 6x Sternguard
* Drop Pod
Storm Bolter
* Sergeant
Bolter, Chainsword

+ Troops + (490pts)
* Assault Squad 10x
Retain Jump Packs
* Veteran Sergeant
Bolt Pistol, Chainsword

* Death Company 5x
5x Bolt Pistol, 5x Chainsword
5x Jump Pack

* Death Company Dreadnought
Blood Talons

+ Fast Attack + (115pts)
* Baal Predator
Flamestorm Cannon


LAST QUESTION: shall i drop the drop pod ( =,= ) for the storm bolter to the baal?