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Hi, I'm new to warmachine. I'm just wondering how big, say, a cryx bonejack is, when compare to a spac marine?
Thanks in advance


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*Space marine*

Slayer Chassis or Leviathan chassis?

Here's the Leviathan with a Dread:





Give me a bit, I'll get you the Slayer with a Tac Marine.


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Here ya go:

Plastic Slayer - Tac Marine - Metal Slayer

Those are Helljacks (Cryxian Heavies), the Bonejacks are the smaller light jacks (AKA bonechickens).

Good pics though, they'll make good references when these questions come up (which happens reasonably often) It's always surprising how hard it is to find good size comparisons of the two systems.

 Maddermax wrote:
Those are Helljacks (Cryxian Heavies), the Bonejacks are the smaller light jacks (AKA bonechickens).

Apparently, I can't read.

I can do that. Well, with the metals anyway. I don't have any plastic chickens.

Here ya go:

I was kind of surprised how comparable the two systems are in scale a lot of the time. The biggest difference is the base sizes.

I personally have run several "intro games" with my friends using Terminators for light jacks and dreadnoughts for heavy jacks. It's kinda fun to lure them over to the Warmachine side using the models they already own.

Note that the base sizes aren't quite right, so that would never fly in anything that is not the most casual of casual games.

Thanks for putting up with the huge n00b that I am
Might be going a bit off topic, but would buying a battlegroup give me enough models to have a game with?

Sw0rd of the emperor wrote:
Thanks for putting up with the huge n00b that I am
Might be going a bit off topic, but would buying a battlegroup give me enough models to have a game with?

The Cryx Battlegroup gives you enough models to build a completely legal 14 pts army.

All of the battle groups give you legal starting forces between the 10-14 point range. While that is a playable force, the smallest normal game once you move beyond battle box games is 15 points. Average games are 35 or 50 points.

 foolwiththefez wrote:
All of the battle groups give you legal starting forces between the 10-14 point range. While that is a playable force, the smallest normal game once you move beyond battle box games is 15 points. Average games are 35 or 50 points.

What he said. Also keep in mind that the battlebox groups aren't always the best in balance against each other (the Cryx one in particular does horrible things to the other battleboxes, especially with new players).

The general opinion seems to be "buy the battlebox for the faction that interests you. Play ~4-5 games with it so you can get the rules basics down. Move up to 15 point games and start playing scenarios."

Best of luck with any faction you decide to start. Even the dirty necromancer pirates...

 foolwiththefez wrote:
All of the battle groups give you legal starting forces between the 10-14 point range. While that is a playable force, the smallest normal game once you move beyond battle box games is 15 points. Average games are 35 or 50 points.

People tend towards the larger games, but 15 and 25 point games work just fine and still feel good.

Thanks for all the help
I'm going with cryx or menoth

Sw0rd of the emperor wrote:
Thanks for all the help
I'm going with cryx or menoth

NOTE: These factions play very different. The differences between how different factions play is orders of magnitude biggert than in 40k. The most dissimilar factions in 40k will play much more similarly than the most similar factions in Wamahordes. This simply a product of the game engine and the focus on special rules and individual activation, rather than a more general approach that differentiates game entities wholly with stat-lines and equipment.

You should consider seriously what sort of play-styles appeal to you, and maybe get test games under your belt for most. Many players have been let down going into the game because they had expectations about a faction that ran afoul of how they play.

Just to clarify, I have never played a game , and I've only briefly read the rulebook.

If you don't have a given play style like Chongara commented on, or are flexible, buy models you like.

The more you like them, the more likely you are to keep them, the more likely to are to paint them etc etc etc.

No use in buying a faction you hate the look of.

 gunslingerpro wrote:
If you don't have a given play style like Chongara commented on, or are flexible, buy models you like.

The more you like them, the more likely you are to keep them, the more likely to are to paint them etc etc etc.

No use in buying a faction you hate the look of.

...and so was told 8/10 Khador players trying to make it a 'Jack faction because they look big & tough, then giving up in disgust when it just does *NOT* work. Most players don't play in a vaccuum. At some point they've played MTG, or WoW,or D&D, or a Tactics game or any number of things that could give insight into play styles they enjoy.

Picking model just on looks is straight up gambling with if you'll enjoy your army or not. Getting in some demo games and getting an idea of some basics before making any choices is the best way to wind up satisfied in the long run. Someone who picks based on looks could wind up with a hardass terminus list, or they could wind up with Amon and 2 units of deliverers.

Perhaps I was unclear. Less 'buy models you like' more 'buy a faction who you like the physical design elements of.' Then research the army and make informed purchases.

Play style is of course important. But not as important as you're making it. Would Amon and 2 units of deliverers be an awful list? Surely. Could a new caster be picked up to work towards rectifying that? Of course.

Would an optimized tier Amon list be better on the table? Absolutely. But that's not going to make you hate the look of the models you're moving around the table any less.

Here are a couple images I took for a previous post of this nature. Hope they help.

Slayer Chassis vs Metal Dread


Terminator, Small based bane, Space Marine

Something I might suggest is downloading the entry cards for the "Quick Start Rules." That is, Privateer Press has the battlebox cards of Menoth, Khador, Cryx, and Cygnar free to print online:
http://privateerpress.com/files/Warmachine%20MKII%20Quick%20Start%20Rules%20Back.pdf

Look up the base sizes of each model, and proxy a game or 2 with each to figure what you might like, then pick up the battlebox from there.

A free pdf copy of the quick rules, also compliments of PP:
http://privateerpress.com/files/WarmachineMKII%20Quick%20Start%20Rules%20Front.pdf

If you've got a flgs that has Warmachine players, they should be fairly willing to help you out as well. Let you watch a game or 2, explain how things work, etc. Maybe even play a game vs you with your proxy kit to get you acquainted.
For a basic rundown of each faction and it's playstyle, but only as a basic rundown (as it is, in the end result, up to you and your preferences and playstyle): http://www.beastsofwar.com/groups/warmachine-general-discussion/forum/topic/choosing-your-faction-in-warmachine-and-hordes/
If you Google "What warmachine faction should I play?" you'll get a large number of articles and such, and reading a few will give you a better feel for things.

Also, the kits don't come with tokens. I initially played with glass stones from an old fish tank I had, and my buddy used different coins for stuff, but this is available to you if you end up wanting it. Not necessary, but nice to have, as each thing is labeled, and you won't have any confusion whilst playing as to "Wait a sec, what is that thing again?" The templates are also free to print, just make sure your printer is set to process at file size, and not scaling things down. I believe the only thing you'll need with the entry cards for cryx is the spray template, and menoth will need the 3" blast template:
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?128-gt-YW7-Tokens-Counters-amp-Templates-Project

Best of luck.