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What happens when a unit of troops only like 15 strong with a cauldron gets hit by a load of WoC chariots. Dealing like 27 impact hits. Where do the extra 12 or so wounds go?

The player who owns the DE in real life!!!!111

If the unit is killed you can't do anything more than kill it. If that's what you're asking.

Impact hits are distributed as shooting attacks, and shooting attacks can't hit a character unless there are less than 5 rank-and-file models. You'd murder the unit, but would not be able to affect the cauldron.

...until you run it down after it breaks, since it'd be on double 1s to stick.

The cauldron isnt treated as a character for the purpose of shooting attacks

Brb p99, is the only reference to mixed units.
So DE player allocates hits, as impact hits are not templates.

Mixed unit so you allocate hits and no model can take a 2nd hit until each model has taken. So for every 16 hits 1 must go on the Chariot. Overkill on the unit does not roll over. Exactly as if you were doing BS shooting at the unit or firing a magic missile at it.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Mixed unit so you allocate hits and no model can take a 2nd hit until each model has taken. So for every 16 hits 1 must go on the Chariot. Overkill on the unit does not roll over. Exactly as if you were doing BS shooting at the unit or firing a magic missile at it.

That rule for Mixed units is for Characters, not for a chariot in a unit of infantry. There is no actual ruling on how to resolve this issue

 DukeRustfield wrote:
The player who owns the DE in real life!!!!111

- Salvage

There is no kill like overkill!

Cauldron is a character.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Cauldron is a character.

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Reds8n

"It can also join and leave units as if it were a character (note that it is not otherwise treated as a character - it can only join and leave units as one)"

Who rides the Cauldron?

 FlingitNow wrote:
Who rides the Cauldron?

Just a witch elf crew

Really so is the Cauldron a Core, Special or Rare choice?

 FlingitNow wrote:
Really so is the Cauldron a Core, Special or Rare choice?

Does that matter, when you are told it is not a character, apart from limited circumstances NOT covered by this question?

I draw your attention to my previous question of who rides the Cauldron...

 FlingitNow wrote:
I draw your attention to my previous question of who rides the Cauldron...

The Death Hag rides the cauldron. Which doesn't make a cauldron a character. Kind of like how my Orc chariot isn't a character just because I stick a warboss on it.

As for the original question, 27 impact hits vs 15 witch elves + cauldron.
The witch elves take 15 hits, the cauldron take 1.
Then either:
Witch elves take another 11 hits
Or Witch Elves take 10 hits and the cauldon takes a second hit.
Every model take one before any model takes a second hit. Controlling player chooses how to split them up.

IIRC, the hits on the cauldron are randomized between the death hag and cauldron; unless something in the impact hits rule says it always hits the mount.

-Matt

Whilst the Cauldron itself isn't a character the whole model still is a character on mount. Hence why the rules work how you then stated.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Whilst the Cauldron itself isn't a character the whole model still is a character on mount. Hence why the rules work how you then stated.

Which still doesn't make the Cauldron a character and still makes the question of what part of the army the unit comes from irrelevant. The part of the list where the mount resides is immaterial to the discussion, and if the Cauldron were a Character, then the situation would be a Character riding a Character, and I don't think there are any rules for addressing that.

But people were claiming that the mixed unit rules wouldn't apply as they are for characters. Hence I pointed out that the Cauldron model is a character even though the Cauldron itself isn't. Have you read the thread? The reason I was asking whether the Cauldron was Core, Rare or Special is some one claimed you could have it with just Witch Elf crew the same guy claiming the mixed unit rules wouldn't apply hence I was pointing him to where he would discover that the only way to include the Cauldron is as a mount for character...

The cauldron could be taken as a mount for a character just like several chariots can. However the base chariot can be taken as a normal unit with just a witch elf crew in which case it is not a character or a mount for a character

TinTip wrote:
However the base chariot can be taken as a normal unit with just a witch elf crew

Except it can't...

TinTip wrote:
The cauldron could be taken as a mount for a character just like several chariots can. However the base chariot can be taken as a normal unit with just a witch elf crew in which case it is not a character or a mount for a character

Really? So we're back to is it a Core, Special or Rare choice?

TinTip wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:
Who rides the Cauldron?

Just a witch elf crew

Incorrect.

TinTip wrote:
The cauldron could be taken as a mount for a character just like several chariots can. However the base chariot can be taken as a normal unit with just a witch elf crew in which case it is not a character or a mount for a character

Again, Incorrect. It can only be taken as a mount for a Death Hag.

HawaiiMatt summed this problem up perfectly a few posts earlier...

I have to ask this

once the death hag has been killed, what happens then .......

Then we have no RaW to cover the situation just as we don't for the bloodwrack shrine so its best to use the mixed units rules or as soon as we shoot at the unit the game breaks...

 FlingitNow wrote:
Then we have no RaW to cover the situation just as we don't for the bloodwrack shrine so its best to use the mixed units rules or as soon as we shoot at the unit the game breaks...

General thought is that in 9th edition, we will have different rules for shooting at mixed units, so it isn't needed to be spelled out as much in the DE rules.
If we go back to older shooting rules, you could choose to shoot at either the unit, or the mis-matched attached unit. Kind of like how you are allowed to single out the Bell or the Plague Furnace, even though they are mounts for characters that join units.

-Matt

So when is 9th coming out? Personally Id be surprised if it was this year...

 FlingitNow wrote:
But people were claiming that the mixed unit rules wouldn't apply as they are for characters. Hence I pointed out that the Cauldron model is a character even though the Cauldron itself isn't. Have you read the thread? The reason I was asking whether the Cauldron was Core, Rare or Special is some one claimed you could have it with just Witch Elf crew the same guy claiming the mixed unit rules wouldn't apply hence I was pointing him to where he would discover that the only way to include the Cauldron is as a mount for character...

Look, this isn't the issue here. The Cauldron rules specifically state that the Cauldron can join and leave units like a character, so it has that benefit, but nowhere does it say the Cauldron is a character. The Hag on top of the Cauldron is a character, yes, so if I were to offer a challenge, the Hag would be able to accept but the Cauldron (i.e. the Witch Elf crew atop it) would not. There is a character in the unit, the Hag, but there is also a non-character, in the unit, the Cauldron, which is why many people are saying the mixed unit rules don't apply.

On the topic of the actual question, I think these mixed unit rules are the only ones we have to go by, and, as such, should use them. Yes, it doesn't quite cover the situation but it's similar and it makes sense, which is good enough for me. There's probably a beardy interpretation in there somewhere though, if you're that kind of guy.

Doc Beasts can challenge like characters. Any unit champ can challenge like characters. Members of hammers can accept challenges if the general is in the unit. But they aren't characters.