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BrookM wrote: Which is odd, seeing as the Damocles campaign relied on an awful lot of Imperial Guard regiments, mostly the Brimlock Dragoons.
But this, according to the OP, is supposedly a new warzone and not necessarily the crusade that appears in the existing fluff. So I'm sure it will be all about space marines and knights. After all, IG don't have the same sales potential as "the formation of $150 toys rampaged through the horde of cheaper Tau, until a last desperate counter-attack from a formation of $80 toys rallied the Tau army and won the battle".
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Bobthehero wrote: When does it appears back? Though the Tau had no more books from FW, GW ignores the FW stuff and BL never really mentions the Tau all that much.
Both of the Aeronautica Imperialis books include it as a standard Tau bomber. Taros is specifically mentioned to be just the first test deployment of the prototypes, and they're heavily involved in the fluff of the second AI book. The Apocalypse book (in the fluff for the Tau flyer formation) at least briefly notes that the Tigershark AX-1-0 exists.
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Bobthehero wrote: Uh, should've mentionned fluff wise, I knew it was in IA:A
I'm talking about fluff in the GW Apocalypse expansion. The Tau flyer formation mentions the fighters in the formation clearing the way for "ground strafing Tigershark AX-10s". So even "core" GW acknowledges that the Tau have a counter to knights besides "bring lots of the new $80 model".
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Lololol hellbrute dataslate. This is brilliant! Now lets charge people for awful rules they already own! I can't wait for Dataslate: Space Marine Tactical Squad: Ultramarines.
Goresaw wrote: Lololol hellbrute dataslate. This is brilliant! Now lets charge people for awful rules they already own! I can't wait for Dataslate: Space Marine Tactical Squad: Ultramarines.
It's a Dataslate. And as it's just called "Helbrutes" (which doesn't sound like a formation) it's likely that it contains new (better?) rules. GW should have noticed that the current rules are not a selling point for their new kit.
Goresaw wrote: Lololol hellbrute dataslate. This is brilliant! Now lets charge people for awful rules they already own! I can't wait for Dataslate: Space Marine Tactical Squad: Ultramarines.
It's a Dataslate. And as it's just called "Helbrutes" (which doesn't sound like a formation) it's likely that it contains new (better?) rules. GW should have noticed that the current rules are not a selling point for their new kit.
New rules would take literally tens of minutes to come up with. Far easier to cut and paste the entry out of the current codex, spelling errors and all. I'll bet they even cost 115 points like the north american misprint.
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There is one book in the war zone series containing the history and the rules/formations (the first one on that page)
And there is a BL anthology with the same name.
Wait, people are upset that the Tigershark AX10 variant exists because it suddenly popped out of nowhere?
Hmm, I wonder what else has done that...
Thunderfire Cannon
Stormraven
Stormtalon
Caestus Assault Ram
Avenger Strike Fighter
Fire Raptor
Storm Eagle
Land Raider Achilles
Sicarian Battle Tank
Macharius
Praetor
Crassus
Malcador
Valdor
Minotaur
Gorgon
Tauros
Taurox
Hades Breaching Drill
Centaur
and thats just some of the Imperial stuff from the past couple years off the top of my head (that didn't exist previously), don't even get me started on xenos.
It's an artificial universe, EVERYTHING suddenly appears out of the plot, none of this stuff is real, and we only know about it as its developed in whatever design studio/whatever writers den that it was created in. Deal with it.
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BrookM wrote: Chances are enhanced shields or the like, the Knight codex makes mention of a trio of Terryn Knights utterly fething the gak of the Tau up to such a degree that Shadowsun was forced to deploy prototype Riptides en masse to keep her army from running the feth away.
Oh good, so I guess GW's fluff writers will continue to refuse to acknowledge that the FW Tau units exist? You know, ones like the Tigershark AX-1-0 that one-shots a Warhound (much bigger and nastier than a mere knight), or the Manta that is an even match for a Reaver/Warlord titan? I guess it's better to try to drive sales of the "awesome" new Riptide and knights...
If it follows the previous expansion books, there will be a couple of forgeworld models in the book, personally i am expecting Baracudas...if not maybe Remoras, and tetras. The book and fluff from the Farsight Supplement, barely touch on kroot, so those of us who are hoping for an expansion on that are going to be saddened. The Tigershark is only briefly touched on, Baracudas and Remoras are frequented a little more at the beginning of the battle.
Of course they could (however unlikely) create new fluff for other battles in the Damocles Gulf than what already has fluff written....which would allow them to input the mini titan without disturbing the existing fluff.
And when it speaks of Prototype Riptides, we could always hope for official rules for the R'Varna.
(personal hopes are expanded rules for kroot, vespid, and Gue'vesa........but that is a long shot IMHO)
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Chances are they'll revisit the Damocles Gulf with another crusade, just like with the Damnos book, which is set fifty odd years after the first battle.
chaos0xomega wrote: Wait, people are upset that the Tigershark AX10 variant exists because it suddenly popped out of nowhere?
Hmm, I wonder what else has done that...
Thunderfire Cannon
Stormraven
Stormtalon
Caestus Assault Ram
Avenger Strike Fighter
Fire Raptor
Storm Eagle
Land Raider Achilles
Sicarian Battle Tank
Macharius
Praetor
Crassus
Malcador
Valdor
Minotaur
Gorgon
Tauros
Taurox
Hades Breaching Drill
Centaur
and thats just some of the Imperial stuff from the past couple years off the top of my head (that didn't exist previously), don't even get me started on xenos.
It's an artificial universe, EVERYTHING suddenly appears out of the plot, none of this stuff is real, and we only know about it as its developed in whatever design studio/whatever writers den that it was created in. Deal with it.
The best part is that it isn't even a plot hole. Cheaply reto-fitting existing stuff is very tau-y
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BrookM wrote: Chances are they'll revisit the Damocles Gulf with another crusade, just like with the Damnos book, which is set fifty odd years after the first battle.
Maybe they put the shoe on the other foot and are following the third sphere expansion of Shadowsun's army?
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THE STORY
Two centuries ago, the Imperium of Man and the upstart Tau Empire fought to a standstill in the Damocles Gulf. Now, as the 41st millennium draws to a close, the tau have returned. As the world of Agrellan falls under attack, the White Scars and Raven Guard rush to its defence, but with the skilled Commander Shadowsun leading the alien forces, the Space Marines and their allies are hard pressed. Kor’sarro Khan, Huntmaster of the White Scars, swears that he will win the day in the most direct way possible – by taking Shadowsun’s head.
ABOUT THIS BOOK
Gathered within this volume are four novellas that focus on the events of the second Damocles Gulf Crusade. This book contains:
Blood Oath by Phil Kelly
Broken Sword by Guy Haley
Black Leviathan by Ben Counter
Hunter’s Snare by Josh Reynolds
Damocles is released on Saturday March 22nd. All pre-order copies will commence shipping in the week commencing March 17th 2014.
THE STORY
In the wake of an apocalyptic war against the alien tau, the White Scars take to their bikes and hunt the fleeing commander of the xenos forces across the plains of Voltoris. As they chase down their quarry, the Brotherhood of the Running Star begin to realise one inescapable truth: that this will be their final hunt. But if Suljuq Khan and Stormseer Checheg are to die this day, they will ensure that they take the alien Shadowsun into oblivion with them...
ABOUT THIS EDITION
An Apocalypse audio drama by Joe Parrino. Approximate running time 75 minutes. Download includes bonus material with original script, maps, images and more.
This mp3 will be available to download on Friday 21st March.
April 2014 • ISBN 9781782515449
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*yawn* Another Imperial-centered release. Let's recon everything we know about Tau battle doctrine and have Shadowsun in close combat with Space Marines....would have been better to have someone else there....possibly a Tau general that could be seen to be slugging it out in close combat...I wonder who would fit that bill?
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chaos0xomega wrote: Wait, people are upset that the Tigershark AX10 variant exists because it suddenly popped out of nowhere?
Hmm, I wonder what else has done that...
Thunderfire Cannon
Stormraven
Stormtalon
Caestus Assault Ram
Avenger Strike Fighter
Fire Raptor
Storm Eagle
Land Raider Achilles
Sicarian Battle Tank
Macharius
Praetor
Crassus
Malcador
Valdor
Minotaur
Gorgon
Tauros
Taurox
Hades Breaching Drill
Centaur
and thats just some of the Imperial stuff from the past couple years off the top of my head (that didn't exist previously), don't even get me started on xenos.
It's an artificial universe, EVERYTHING suddenly appears out of the plot, none of this stuff is real, and we only know about it as its developed in whatever design studio/whatever writers den that it was created in. Deal with it.
And just about half the FW models for Eldar as well. The only superheavy I remember seeing fluff on in novels were 'lithe Eldar titans' and the Scorpion Superheavy (mentioned in the Path of the Warrior).
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A lot of the Eldar stuff dates back a decade or two. Scorpions were first introduced in epic I believe, I intentionally avoided mentioning things that have been around for more than a few years.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
I bet that Damocles will be the second "Apocalypse book" in the same line as the Pandorax novel. If it is, I may have to scrounge up the funds to get it.
And it's interesting that two special characters just happen upon a single planet in the entire galaxy. Truly amazing. What are the odds?
Unless they retcon, we already know the outcome. Agrellan is an Imperial world mentioned in the latest Tau Codex as having fallen to the Tau, and subsequently renamed to Mu'gulath. The Battle of Mu'gulath Bay is referenced both within the Tau Codex and in the Farsight Supplement. Since this occurred in the tail end of 999.M41, I don't see how they can do the Damnos option and have a 2nd battle set after the first one.
Now with the Knight releases and all this they may make it less one sided, but unless they retcon, it'll still be an Imperial defeat, albeit a "heroic" one.
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