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 BrookM wrote:
It would explain how Eldrad's demise was undone.

"I know it's your favourite character, but dead is dead. Awww, come on, don't give me the puppy eyes, come on.. Okay, fiiiiiiiine, that never happened!"

I thought you were joking. Eldrad is alive?

Wasn't there also a SM character that was dead but still available from the codex?

H.B.M.C. wrote:That picture depicts the exact moment where Shryke and Khan, locked in single combat with a being not built for melee, managed to get blasted away by an an unseen AX-1-0 Tiger Shark (the first - and last - one seen since the battles on Taros). The attack killed none of them (somehow), but it was the only way to avoid having Shadowsun get curbstomped by two people she had no business being anywhere near.

BrookM wrote:Or she had some very, very lucky Look Out Sir! rolls and ran away like the cowardly little fish that she is while her two bodyguards get chopped into sushi.

I'd expect swiss cheese in seconds looking at the cover.

But *ahem* back on topic for a sec:

I like the Warzone books. I dislike the 'buy all our play-sets and toys' nature of the current edition of Apoc, and how almost all the data sheets are tied only to Official™ Citadel™ Miniature™ Kits™ (trust modern GW to take the hobby out of the HHHobby), but I really do think that this is the type of book they should be doing more of - books that expand the game rather than adding clutter (like Escalation) or whole books that only have one unit in them (dem Knights!).

Gotta agree there, while I'm not buying them for the datasheets (for the most part anyway), they do offer a great bit of background, scenario seeds and other fun ideas.

I'm going to have to pick up the Damocles book at some point, if only for the new missions and (hopefully not-Deathworld) terrain features.

 BrookM wrote:
It would explain how Eldrad's demise was undone.

"I know it's your favourite character, but dead is dead. Awww, come on, don't give me the puppy eyes, come on.. Okay, fiiiiiiiine, that never happened!"

Yeah Ive been playing Eldar for a very long time and I hate Eldrad so much. I'm convinced that people who love Eldrad don't read any of his back story :p He's probably the BIGGEST FAILURE of anyone in the entire galaxy, come on? you have 10,000 years to do something about Chaos and you fail, you can see the future and have 2 chances to sway different primarchs.. and fail. Eye of terror? fail. Eldrad hasn't done a single thing successfully (unless you count being a successful failure).

How can you NOT correctly plan for something when you have 10,000 years to figure it out?! (I'm also convinced GW has no idea how long 10,000 years is and just randomly threw out that number)

Anyway, Apoc warzones are really cool..one of the rare books GW produces nowadays that is almost worth their money.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But *ahem* back on topic for a sec:

I like the Warzone books. I dislike the 'buy all our play-sets and toys' nature of the current edition of Apoc, and how almost all the data sheets are tied only to Official™ Citadel™ Miniature™ Kits™ (trust modern GW to take the hobby out of the HHHobby), but I really do think that this is the type of book they should be doing more of - books that expand the game rather than adding clutter (like Escalation) or whole books that only have one unit in them (dem Knights!).

How do you tell the difference between Apoc and "normal" 40k? That's what I dislike personally. It used to be when you saw an army from multiple codex books that ignored the FOC and had multiple super heavies that you knew you had an apoc game but now... it's just a 1500pt skirmish! :(

Apocalypse is the game where on a D6 roll you could end the entire game by rolling the wrong Disaster :p

40K is played on a table

Apocalypse is played on the floor after moving all the tables into another room

I know I am buying the Warzone books.... but Codices aren't a must have anymore.

We have Damnos and Pandorax, get Damocles next.
This covers Necrons, Chaos and Tau. So Orks and Elfs will complete this one day ?

We need a Tyranid one. I'd love an Ichar IV book - a nice good look at the campaign that stopped Kraken's onslaught and splintered the Hive Fleet.

Orks will probably get one post-Summer, when (if?) their codex hits and the army needs another sales boost.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That picture depicts the exact moment where Shryke and Khan, locked in single combat with a being not built for melee, managed to get blasted away by an unseen AX-1-0 Tiger Shark (the first - and last - one seen since the battles on Taros). The attack killed none of them (somehow), but it was the only way to avoid having Shadowsun get curbstomped by two people she had no business being anywhere near.

That actually makes a lot of sense. Shadowsun deliberately declined to use her jetpack to hover out of sword reach and fusion gun the idiot marines to death because the whole thing was a test of the Tigershark's new advanced targeting system. Shadowsun's job was to bait the marines into staying in one place long enough to see if the Tigershark was capable of sniping them out of melee from across the battlefield. The test was a success and both marines were hit by titan-killing railgun shots, but their ancient and sacred relic armor (which of course is lost technology that can't be duplicated or given to non-character marines) somehow managed to stop the shots. Meanwhile "Shadowsun" turned out to be a drone-controlled armor prototype, and the real Shadowsun was miles away doing something more useful.

Now all we need is a One Click Collection™ for all of the characters in the duel and Codex™: Heroic Duel™ with rules for including Shadowsun in an Ultramarines army.

Personally I have a few nit-picks with the cover:
She is plainly visible when, even there, her entire shape would be distorted at the very least
She appears to be the same height as them when, even in the suits, she would be at least 6" shorter or so
They cut off her hair, goddammit
and that moronic bodyguard who, instead of endeavoring to kill the people with pointy weapons trying to slice her into little pieces is shooting at people in the opposite direction

That being said, they are just nit-picks and I've always loved this artist since I saw his farsight one.

Thats a very cool cover shot

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That picture depicts the exact moment where Shryke and Khan, locked in single combat with a being not built for melee, managed to get blasted away by an unseen AX-1-0 Tiger Shark (the first - and last - one seen since the battles on Taros). The attack killed none of them (somehow), but it was the only way to avoid having Shadowsun get curbstomped by two people she had no business being anywhere near.

Exalted!

It does seem to be another case of "Big Things (Almost) Happen", again, doesn't it?

They need to stop doing that, "upping the stakes" by using big name characters just doesn't work, because we all know GW would never kill them off.

Unless they grew a pair and did, because if so, that would be pretty fething amazing.

 BrookM wrote:
They need to stop doing that, "upping the stakes" by using big name characters just doesn't work, because we all know GW would never kill them off.

Unless they grew a pair and did, because if so, that would be pretty fething amazing.

GW hasn't quite grasped the idea that they can, indeed, advance the storyline, kill off a character, but still keep the model and rules available for the people who like to play that character before they died. Hell, even Privateer Press provides multiple versions of their characters based on different points in the timeline.

 Peregrine wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That picture depicts the exact moment where Shryke and Khan, locked in single combat with a being not built for melee, managed to get blasted away by an unseen AX-1-0 Tiger Shark (the first - and last - one seen since the battles on Taros). The attack killed none of them (somehow), but it was the only way to avoid having Shadowsun get curbstomped by two people she had no business being anywhere near.

That actually makes a lot of sense. Shadowsun deliberately declined to use her jetpack to hover out of sword reach and fusion gun the idiot marines to death because the whole thing was a test of the Tigershark's new advanced targeting system. Shadowsun's job was to bait the marines into staying in one place long enough to see if the Tigershark was capable of sniping them out of melee from across the battlefield. The test was a success and both marines were hit by titan-killing railgun shots, but their ancient and sacred relic armor (which of course is lost technology that can't be duplicated or given to non-character marines) somehow managed to stop the shots. Meanwhile "Shadowsun" turned out to be a drone-controlled armor prototype, and the real Shadowsun was miles away doing something more useful.

Now all we need is a One Click Collection™ for all of the characters in the duel and Codex™: Heroic Duel™ with rules for including Shadowsun in an Ultramarines army.

Pretty much.

When I first saw the picture, I thought: "Why doesn't she just fly up into the air with her jetpack and shoot them with her dual-meltaguns?"

 Peregrine wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That picture depicts the exact moment where Shryke and Khan, locked in single combat with a being not built for melee, managed to get blasted away by an unseen AX-1-0 Tiger Shark (the first - and last - one seen since the battles on Taros). The attack killed none of them (somehow), but it was the only way to avoid having Shadowsun get curbstomped by two people she had no business being anywhere near.

That actually makes a lot of sense. Shadowsun deliberately declined to use her jetpack to hover out of sword reach and fusion gun the idiot marines to death because the whole thing was a test of the Tigershark's new advanced targeting system. Shadowsun's job was to bait the marines into staying in one place long enough to see if the Tigershark was capable of sniping them out of melee from across the battlefield. The test was a success and both marines were hit by titan-killing railgun shots, but their ancient and sacred relic armor (which of course is lost technology that can't be duplicated or given to non-character marines) somehow managed to stop the shots. Meanwhile "Shadowsun" turned out to be a drone-controlled armor prototype, and the real Shadowsun was miles away doing something more useful.

Now all we need is a One Click Collection™ for all of the characters in the duel and Codex™: Heroic Duel™ with rules for including Shadowsun in an Ultramarines army.

Where the heck did you get that information?

Peregrine and HBMC know a guy who knows a guy who manages a GW store who knows a guy in GW management.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
They need to stop doing that, "upping the stakes" by using big name characters just doesn't work, because we all know GW would never kill them off.

Unless they grew a pair and did, because if so, that would be pretty fething amazing.

GW hasn't quite grasped the idea that they can, indeed, advance the storyline, kill off a character, but still keep the model and rules available for the people who like to play that character before they died. Hell, even Privateer Press provides multiple versions of their characters based on different points in the timeline.

While not a fan of the rules, mindset or company behind Warmachine, I love that they not only keep advancing the clock, but at the same time evolving characters with their own little arcs and whatnot.

Vladimir Pugh died, although he never had a model in the first place.

Doombreed.... well, his head is held captive now. Again, no model (well, current model.)

Models who were dead but still had a model have been phased out over time, like Macharius, Naaman and Cortez.

And here's the audio drama cover:



The best part is all the dying Tau, especially the one with the impaled head on the right.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
They need to stop doing that, "upping the stakes" by using big name characters just doesn't work, because we all know GW would never kill them off.

Unless they grew a pair and did, because if so, that would be pretty fething amazing.

GW hasn't quite grasped the idea that they can, indeed, advance the storyline, kill off a character, but still keep the model and rules available for the people who like to play that character before they died. Hell, even Privateer Press provides multiple versions of their characters based on different points in the timeline.

Lysander was dead in 4th edition and the rules were for playing him before that.
Then 5th edition made it all 'nah man, he popped back out of the warp'.
Then 6th ed made him do something that his chapter maser didn't like to bust him back to 3rd company captain so he could be in the 3rd company supplement.

 BrookM wrote:
And here's the audio drama cover:

Spoiler:

The best part is all the dying Tau, especially the one with the impaled head on the right.

wow thats a brilliant image

It's not bad, but not very "accurate", though. There should be a lot more riptides and they should all be standing on top of a pile of dead Space Marines who kept failing their charges.

Here it is on deviantArt if you want to read some of the artist's commentary or look at some of the other work he's done.

Picked up the Damocles issue of the White Dwarf today and the Knight formation is okay, 3-5 Knights, one is a Seneschal and they get one of the following roles: Support (formation gains Interceptor) or Outriders (formation gains Scout).


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Also, the fluff for the battle is.. Stupid. Imperium loses, so the Terryn Patriarch suggests they fight the final battle on Voltaris, the home world of House Terryn.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
And here's the audio drama cover:

Spoiler:

The best part is all the dying Tau, especially the one with the impaled head on the right.

wow thats a brilliant image

He is good, isn't he. But dammit, killing crisis heads doesn't kill the suit!

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
And here's the audio drama cover:

Spoiler:

The best part is all the dying Tau, especially the one with the impaled head on the right.

wow thats a brilliant image

He is good, isn't he. But dammit, killing crisis heads doesn't kill the suit!

Yeah, losing the head wouldn't kill the pilot or necessarily put the suit out of action for very long. That's why crisis suits all have a slit in the chest, it's a window for the pilot to see out of in case that very thing happens. I guess it's easier to just assume the tulwar in the head wasn't the killing blow, though.