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Well, the most recent SM release was the Adeptus Astartes Storm Wing, and not the Space Marine Storm Wing.

I have no problem with a Codex: Adeptus Astartes. And I kind of hope Chaos Space Marines becomes Astartes Maleficarum.

Don't like it, it seems far too forced for copyright claims and therefore lacks the simplistic majesty of saying the tried and true Imperial Guard.

Also abbreviating it as "AM" looks worse and less distinct than saying 'IG". It looks like I'm referring to the time or some radio station when I start off with AM.

 Grimskul wrote:
Don't like it, it seems far too forced for copyright claims and therefore lacks the simplistic majesty of saying the tried and true Imperial Guard.

Also abbreviating it as "AM" looks worse and less distinct than saying 'IG". It looks like I'm referring to the time or some radio station when I start off with AM.

I think the Allied Mastercomputer (from I have no mouth and I must scream) and the Adeptus Mechanicus would disagree

B0B MaRlEy wrote:the silent death, which is a woman's beer name around here

Woah... hard core.

Anyways, even the pseudo-latin doesn't work well here. Adeptas sororitas is good in part because it vaguely translates into things like "the secret sisterhood" and "elite sisters", either of which are fine. Meanwhile, Astra militarum translates to "space army".

Yup, I'm the Space Army player...

... derp.

 Ailaros wrote:

B0B MaRlEy wrote:the silent death, which is a woman's beer name around here

Woah... hard core.

Anyways, even the pseudo-latin doesn't work well here. Adeptas sororitas is good in part because it vaguely translates into things like "the secret sisterhood" and "elite sisters", either of which are fine. Meanwhile, Astra militarum translates to "space army".

Yup, I'm the Space Army player...

... derp.

Yeah, I think something like "Emperator Armata" would have been better. That's bad latin / High Gothic for "The Emperor's Army" which is what the IG are. "Emperator Malleus" is another possibility.

It gets even worse with the Militarium Tempestus (Stormtroopers). Roughly translates as 'soldiers of storm', which just makes one want to cry.

Seriously, GW, Disney aren't going to sue you for using Imperial Guard or Stormtroopers, you're the one that does that.

 Paradigm wrote:
It gets even worse with the Militarium Tempestus (Stormtroopers). Roughly translates as 'soldiers of storm', which just makes one want to cry.

Makes sense, actually.

Trooper = Soldier.

The thing about latin (or any language for that matter) is that direct translations will usually sound terrible (especially if you use google translate ).

For example:

Adeptus Astartes : Obtained Stars

Adepta Sororitas : Obtained Sisters (oh my *George Takei*)

Adeptus Mechanicus : Obtained Mechanic (ok, this makes a bit of sense)


Star Army though...while technically true (It is an army that fights in space), still sounds a bit off, and can be applied to every other army in the setting.

As sound as renaming McDonalds into Karczewszczanka or Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.
I want GW to be honest and credit the next Codex to:
"Written by the GW Legal Team".

 Kroothawk wrote:
As sound as renaming McDonalds into Karczewszczanka or Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.
I want GW to be honest and credit the next Codex to:
"Written by the GW Legal Team".

Well, that would certainly give the term "rules lawyer" another meaning

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
It gets even worse with the Militarium Tempestus (Stormtroopers). Roughly translates as 'soldiers of storm', which just makes one want to cry.

Makes sense, actually.

Trooper = Soldier.

I get that it makes sense, my point was that if you're going to change a name for an arbitrary reason, at least put a little thought into it rather than plugging it into Google translate and taking the rest of the day off.

 Paradigm wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
It gets even worse with the Militarium Tempestus (Stormtroopers). Roughly translates as 'soldiers of storm', which just makes one want to cry.

Makes sense, actually.

Trooper = Soldier.

I get that it makes sense, my point was that if you're going to change a name for an arbitrary reason, at least put a little thought into it rather than plugging it into Google translate and taking the rest of the day off.

Actually they didn't plug it into google translate.

English to latin in GT:

Stormtrooper = Stormtrooper

Storm trooper = Tempestatem equites (storm horses?)

Latin to English

Militarum Tempestus : Military Conditions


So there goes that theory of laziness.

What's weird though is that google keeps changing it's mind for "Storm trooper"

So far I have:
Tempestatem LICTOR
Equites impetus
Tempestatem equites

Still no Militarum Tempestus

Ok, I was just being sarcastic. The point is, there's very little thought gone into the rename that really was unnecessary.

 Paradigm wrote:
It gets even worse with the Militarium Tempestus (Stormtroopers). Roughly translates as 'soldiers of storm', which just makes one want to cry.

Seriously, GW, Disney aren't going to sue you for using Imperial Guard or Stormtroopers, you're the one that does that.

They're not worried about Star Wars suing them. They're worried about being able to sue bits makers for making "Astra militarum" bits. They can't sue you for making "Imperial Guard" bits, so they changed the name to something easier to protect. That's it.

Seriously, where did this "Disney will totally sue them" bs come from?

When this was rumoured I pretty much knew it was true, but I still hoped it wasn't. I think it's an awful name change.

The main thing to me is that it's actually less evocative. Imperial Guard has a proud, bracing air to it. It suits the religious, militaristic, totalitarian nature of the Imperium. I can see billions march to their deaths in the Imperial Guard. The Astra Militarum, not so much.

But also:

- It's bad writing to use an unwieldy name instead of a straightforward one.
- It sounds like 40K is taking itself too seriously.
- "Space military" is kind of a redundant name for a sci-fi wargame army.
- I've been collecting IG since second edition, and this just seems like breaking what didn't need to be fixed.
- The army itself doesn't seem to be changing, so this namechange is forced and awkward.
- It's meant to control an IP built on lifts from and associations with other works.

I don't like the name change, it isn't catchy in any way to be honest.

 Fabio Bile wrote:

When this was rumoured I pretty much knew it was true, but I still hoped it wasn't. I think it's an awful name change.

The main thing to me is that it's actually less evocative. Imperial Guard has a proud, bracing air to it. It suits the religious, militaristic, totalitarian nature of the Imperium. I can see billions march to their deaths in the Imperial Guard. The Astra Militarum, not so much.

But also:

- It's bad writing to use an unwieldy name instead of a straightforward one.
- It sounds like 40K is taking itself too seriously.
- "Space military" is kind of a redundant name for a sci-fi wargame army.
- I've been collecting IG since second edition, and this just seems like breaking what didn't need to be fixed.
- The army itself doesn't seem to be changing, so this namechange is forced and awkward.
- It's meant to control an IP built on lifts from and associations with other works.

Pretty much this. Additionally, what happens to terms like 'Guardsmen'?

MrMoustaffa wrote:Seriously, where did this "Disney will totally sue them" bs come from?

Disney owns star wars, which had stormtroopers first.

The real problem, though, is if the Nazi party is going to sue GW, because they had stormtroopers even before that.

 ekim wrote:
Its just not fair. My Tau Just got a codex not too long ago so it will be at least a few years until we get Codex: Communistarum Pisces Spatio

exalted!

I personally don't care one way or the other. I think it's a more fitting name personally, but think that it can't really help the game itself one way or the other.

 Ailaros wrote:

MrMoustaffa wrote:Seriously, where did this "Disney will totally sue them" bs come from?

Disney owns star wars, which had stormtroopers first.

The real problem, though, is if the Nazi party is going to sue GW, because they had stormtroopers even before that.

Not really. They were specialists of the German Army in WWI. The Nazi Party, founded only after WWI in 1919, would get sued themselves.

Question is, did any of them copyright the term in English?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:


Actually they didn't plug it into google translate.

English to latin in GT:

Stormtrooper = Stormtrooper

Storm trooper = Tempestatem equites (storm horses?)

Latin to English

Militarum Tempestus : Military Conditions


So there goes that theory of laziness.

What's weird though is that google keeps changing it's mind for "Storm trooper"

So far I have:
Tempestatem LICTOR
Equites impetus
Tempestatem equites

Still no Militarum Tempestus

Militarum Tempestus actually kinda works then, because they're not just calling them "Militarum Tempestus" but the troopers are called the "Militarum Tempestus Scions".

Ill just still call them "The Guard" or IG out of habit. astra longnameium is too annoying to say again and again.

I wouldn't have minded a name change so much, but the one they chose doesn't seem to fit in with any of the other faux-latin names they already have.

I wouldn't mind the Astra Militarum being, say, a branch of the IG but not the entire friggin thing!

 Engine of War wrote:
Ill just still call them "The Guard" or IG out of habit. astra longnameium is too annoying to say again and again.

Well, they only added a single syllable.

The problem isn't so much that the name is long so much as that it's awkward. "Stra" and "arum" are the kinds of sounds one makes when one's clearing one's throat.

Tempestas=Storm, Tempestus=Weather.

 Ailaros wrote:

 Engine of War wrote:
Ill just still call them "The Guard" or IG out of habit. astra longnameium is too annoying to say again and again.

Well, they only added a single syllable.

The problem isn't so much that the name is long so much as that it's awkward. "Stra" and "arum" are the kinds of sounds one makes when one's clearing one's throat.

It's arse tra not Stra.

Personally I don't mind.

I like the phrasing of "Imperial Guard" and all the titles and terms that go with it but Astra Militarum does sound much more formal and *fancy*

For all we know Disney have quietly been talking to GW after purchasing SW and have given GW to option to save face (and costs) by re-naming IG before a suit is filed.

It's a bit... unexpected, and IG will really always be IG... but I'm fairly ambivalent about the whole thing really. We'll get used to it.

Latin words sound cool, but it seems like an unnecessary change. Eveyone will continue to call them Imperial Guard or the Guard or whatever anyways.

If anyone really thinks Disney cares, even a little bit, about GW having "stormtroopers", you're insane. That's simply a fact.