Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 Ailaros wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
They should just cut to the chase and call it Codex: Get Stuck In!

Lol

"Codex: Killed to a man, you say?"

"Codex: Send in the next wave!"

"Codex: All quiet. Casualties normal"


Because I would accept the change if it meant I got to say, "Yeah, I'm a Send In The Next Wave player".

Isn't everyone?

Having thought about it a bit I will dub the new codex Codex: Angsty MileyCyrum.

I like the new name! But then again I don't play IG.

I don't play IG, (AM whatever) but I'm not a huge fan of the new name and I'll probably always call Imperial guard, Imperial Guard.

As long as i can still call them the Imperial guard, i wish for both names, like how there are the astartes and marines. Also with the Sororitas and Sisters of battle :p

I am a 20-year veteran that will still be calling them Imperial Guard. GW has such an irrational hatred of their own sucessful past, I amompletely and utterly shocked they brought Knights into the game- though that was mostly to give Imperials a Wraithknight/Riptide sized model.

It's like the current GW hierarchy wants nothing to do with the GW of old, because then they might have to owe their sucess to their predecessors.

If you reskin everything , to newcomers it looks like you "suddenly" came up with such a great idea, rather than riding 25 years of inertia.

Hate it. The new one sounds awful. Why change what most people love?

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

squidhills wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:


On a side note, what do you think the next codex rename will be?

Well, the rumor is the next codex will be Orks, so if GW is having an extended brain fart, my guess will be they will re-name the Orks somehow. If they don't rename the whole army, you can bet they will rename individual units. Kind of how gretchen got renamed grots in 3rd edition.

Orkuss Stupidious

I dont know lol, But im not sure if they k in orks will mean they get to keep their name.

Orks are unlikely to face a name change given that there's pretty much nothing else in fiction called an Ork. All other Orks are spelled with a C because Tolkien, Bethesda, and Blizzard said so.

Thats what I mean, all orcs have a C except GW ones (that I know of) so I thought it would secure their name.

In Shadowrun, Orks are spelled with a 'K' not a 'C', and Shadowrun 1st Ed landed about the same time Rogue Trader did (but given that WHFB is older than RT and Shadowrun, GW might have a solid claim to "Ork with a K").

 Furyou Miko wrote:
From henceforth, they shall be abbreviated as "Millies"!

I approve.

The fake Latin just to make something they can enforce some copyright laws on makes me sad.

Forever IG.

squidhills wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

squidhills wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:


On a side note, what do you think the next codex rename will be?

Well, the rumor is the next codex will be Orks, so if GW is having an extended brain fart, my guess will be they will re-name the Orks somehow. If they don't rename the whole army, you can bet they will rename individual units. Kind of how gretchen got renamed grots in 3rd edition.

Orkuss Stupidious

I dont know lol, But im not sure if they k in orks will mean they get to keep their name.

Orks are unlikely to face a name change given that there's pretty much nothing else in fiction called an Ork. All other Orks are spelled with a C because Tolkien, Bethesda, and Blizzard said so.

Thats what I mean, all orcs have a C except GW ones (that I know of) so I thought it would secure their name.

In Shadowrun, Orks are spelled with a 'K' not a 'C', and Shadowrun 1st Ed landed about the same time Rogue Trader did (but given that WHFB is older than RT and Shadowrun, GW might have a solid claim to "Ork with a K").

Orcs in WHFB uses a C.

squidhills wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

squidhills wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:


On a side note, what do you think the next codex rename will be?

Well, the rumor is the next codex will be Orks, so if GW is having an extended brain fart, my guess will be they will re-name the Orks somehow. If they don't rename the whole army, you can bet they will rename individual units. Kind of how gretchen got renamed grots in 3rd edition.

Orkuss Stupidious

I dont know lol, But im not sure if they k in orks will mean they get to keep their name.

Orks are unlikely to face a name change given that there's pretty much nothing else in fiction called an Ork. All other Orks are spelled with a C because Tolkien, Bethesda, and Blizzard said so.

Thats what I mean, all orcs have a C except GW ones (that I know of) so I thought it would secure their name.

In Shadowrun, Orks are spelled with a 'K' not a 'C', and Shadowrun 1st Ed landed about the same time Rogue Trader did (but given that WHFB is older than RT and Shadowrun, GW might have a solid claim to "Ork with a K").

Maybe a very tenuous claim. The term "Orc" goes back long before Tolkien, I'm not sure of the history but I believe the most common spelling in the past couple of hundred years has been a C, but going back further orke and ork were also typical spellings of the word.

I've always assumed GW Orks are called Orks because Orks like to substitute K's for C's and CK's (Trukk, Trak, Shokk, Kommandos, Mek, Rokkit, etc etc).

I think Astra Militarum sounds truly dumb.

They will always be the Guard to me, just as Chaos Dreadnoughts will never be called Helbrutes.

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Do they? I thought Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers (of which there is also more than 1 movie) have a trademark on Space Marines as well.

Supposedly they do, that's why they were able to go after the Spots the Space Marine author.

I think its only in the UK though. I may be wrong. It something like Apple computers in the US and Apple records in the UK.

MarsNZ wrote:
Looking forward to when the WW1 German army issues a C&D to the Star Wars franchise for plaguarising Stormtroopers.

] Sorry for off topic reply here.... but did this actually happen? I'm terrible with history

dsmith10 wrote:

MarsNZ wrote:
Looking forward to when the WW1 German army issues a C&D to the Star Wars franchise for plaguarising Stormtroopers.

Sorry for off topic reply here.... but did this actually happen? I'm terrible with history

Yes, its what caused WW1 if I recall correctly.

Wikipedia wrote:The existence of a science fiction table top game in development by Games Workshop was made known through Citadel Journal in 1986 and Rogue Trader was officially released at Games Workshop's annual Games Day event in October 1987

Wikipedia wrote:Shadowrun was developed and published by FASA Corporation from 1989 until early 2001, when FASA closed its doors and the property was transferred to WizKids (a company founded by people from FASA)

FASA was quite aware of what Rogue Trader was when they created their game. They were not contemporaries during their dev cycles.

Hate it.
The name is just so silly. Our badass Guardsmen who fight overwhelming odd's are now called "Astramen"? Sounds like some early 90's anime.

I don't have a problem with it.

Astara Militarum for IG is no different than Astartes for Space Marines in my book. I'd like to see the next C: SM called C: Astartes.

 Psienesis wrote:

Wikipedia wrote:The existence of a science fiction table top game in development by Games Workshop was made known through Citadel Journal in 1986 and Rogue Trader was officially released at Games Workshop's annual Games Day event in October 1987

Wikipedia wrote:Shadowrun was developed and published by FASA Corporation from 1989 until early 2001, when FASA closed its doors and the property was transferred to WizKids (a company founded by people from FASA)

FASA was quite aware of what Rogue Trader was when they created their game. They were not contemporaries during their dev cycles.

I wasn't aware of the exact dates for RT, just that the copyright in my rulebook says 1989 and I remember getting Shadowrun 1st Ed at about the same time. Thanks for the info.

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
What I dont get is, if GW wanted to go down this route, why didnt they release Codex: Adeptus Astartes instead of Codex: Space Marines?

At least that sounds semi decent and makes sense.

I had heard a rumor that they might do this in the future; I can only imagine it's because they have a trademark of Space Marine, but couldn't get one for Imperial Guard and if rumors are to be believed, Disney has some issues with that since they bought the Star Wars franchise (which would also explain Stormtroopers).

I wouldn't at all be surprised, given the Spots the Space Marine thing, to see a Codex: Adeptus Astartes someday. I wonder what Chaos would be though.

I've also heard it was due to complications with Disney. Ever since Lucas Arts was purchased and Lucas Arts had "Imperial Guard" trademarked. Idk if anyone remembers but the Red Guards in Star Wars are known and trade marked as "Imperial Guard".

you sure they are trademarked? could you provice source?

Noctiscoma wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
What I dont get is, if GW wanted to go down this route, why didnt they release Codex: Adeptus Astartes instead of Codex: Space Marines?

At least that sounds semi decent and makes sense.

I had heard a rumor that they might do this in the future; I can only imagine it's because they have a trademark of Space Marine, but couldn't get one for Imperial Guard and if rumors are to be believed, Disney has some issues with that since they bought the Star Wars franchise (which would also explain Stormtroopers).

I wouldn't at all be surprised, given the Spots the Space Marine thing, to see a Codex: Adeptus Astartes someday. I wonder what Chaos would be though.

I've also heard it was due to complications with Disney. Ever since Lucas Arts was purchased and Lucas Arts had "Imperial Guard" trademarked. Idk if anyone remembers but the Red Guards in Star Wars are known and trade marked as "Imperial Guard".

I don't see how you could successfully defend a trademark of "Imperial Guard" given it's an extremely generic term that has been used to refer to many palace guards and personal guards of emperors...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Guard

This is a non issue... It's a name change, call them what ever you want.

I don't really mind the change, mostly because everyone is still going to be calling them Imperial guard. Astra Militarum will just be the "official name that only GWS uses" (it's just to much of a mouthful for everyday use)... kinda like the "We'll be back" name change, Reanimation Protocols is about 5 syllables too long

Yep. Just like Ressurection PRotocols get called RP rolls or Wibbs, the Militarum will be called Millies or Guardsmen.

I don't expect anyone currently playing the game to shift from calling them the Imperial Guard, or IG, to calling them the Astra Militarum... or even the AM, as that's an abbreviation usually reserved for the Mechanicus (itself often called the AdMech).

In five or ten years, maybe the people who pick up their first 40K book next year will be calling them the AM or the Astra Militarum or AsMil or whatever... but I don't see anyone currently calling them "Imperial Guard" ever changing.

welp, its confirmed:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod2380233a

"This kit can be built as either a Taurox Prime for the Militarum Tempestus or a Taurox for the Astra Militarum"

Funny how they release the Stormtroopers book before the IG book.

I do not like this change. IG is iconic. Astra Militarum sounds rather silly. Almost as silly as Militarum Tempestus.

The only pseudo-Latin name that I like is Adeptus Astartes. Sounds far better than "Space Marines".

What, you don't like Adeptus Ministorum or Adepta Sororitas, or Adeptus Astra Telepathica?