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Honestly, Be'Lakor is, imo, overpriced by 25 points.

There is really no need to have an HQ at that price. He's really good, don't get me wrong, but I personally feel someone on the team who helped wrote the rules for him arbitrarily threw out a number, 350! and it was taken right away.

Sure, he has some nasty CC because of Armorbane + Fleshbane. But he's more of a support HQ to mess with your opponent. He's not like Fateweaver who can dish out a lot of shots via Flickering Fire or what not. He relies on your opponents for Puppet Master to use something against him. He IS good. But he is very situational. I always see him as a model that gets stronger the stronger your opponent is.

I always use Riptides as an example. If my opponent is bringing something stupid like 2-3 tides, I ALWAYS take one and Nova Charge it then shoot as something I know he needs. Troops for instance. Large Blast sometimes, Vehicles at str9 ap2 kill even 3 fire warriors and you're going to be forcing a Ld Check. Bye bye Fire warriors and troop choices.

Nah Baby Bella isn't broken. He's a 350 pt model with 5 wounds and T5. Tau and Eldar can laugh him off the table if you're not careful.

 astro_nomicon wrote:
Nah Baby Bella isn't broken. He's a 350 pt model with 4 wounds and T5. Tau and Eldar can laugh him off the table if you're not careful.

Fixed that for you.

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
That's a shame. Coulda been horrendous if you could cast EVERY power.

I've read the shrouded rule, if you cast invisibility on himself then it definitely stacks and he gets a 2++

What? No!!

Invisibility grants Shrouded. Shrouded stacks with Stealth. Shrouded does not stack with Shrouded nor Stealth with Stealth.

Also, cover saves can't be taken in close combat.

the reason you take belakor as a CSM/Daemons player is because we take 350 point princes that are much worse (like that khorne prince). Flying circus uses several of them and is a competitive build (not khorne princes lol). Belakor is core to that now. Built in EW means he beats basically everything in combat so thats always nice. He can force multiply incredibly well.

Dude, can you take a look at my new FMC list? I've never run one before....

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/585589.page

I've found that Bel'kor gets countered pretty hard by SMS, they are all twin linked (at least anything that can buy them seems to get them as twin linked for free) and ignore cover and line of sight which leaves you with 33% chance to be hit (if swooping) and 50% chance to take a wound (add onto that the chance to fall and take another wound).

You certainly can't just fly him at the opponent and expect him to beat face, Mostly I'll just invisible up a threat (e.g. spawn) and fly off the board, he can do more good stuff when he comes on again turn 2.

You need to block Direct LoS from Be'Lakor to effectively use him. Hid him in ruins for a 2+ cover, Block LoS to him when you aren't using something that requires LoS.

Pretty simple stuff. But unfortunately most people don't regularly play with a lot of terrain. Which is necessary.


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I get however that SMSs tend to avoid that hastle, but as Tau this is to be expected. Just Puppet Master something and shoot off all his IC garbage.

GoliothOnline wrote:

 astro_nomicon wrote:
Nah Baby Bella isn't broken. He's a 350 pt model with 4 wounds and T5. Tau and Eldar can laugh him off the table if you're not careful.

Fixed that for you.

Ha thank, you proves my point even better.

wtnind wrote:I've found that Bel'kor gets countered pretty hard by SMS, they are all twin linked (at least anything that can buy them seems to get them as twin linked for free) and ignore cover and line of sight which leaves you with 33% chance to be hit (if swooping) and 50% chance to take a wound (add onto that the chance to fall and take another wound).

You certainly can't just fly him at the opponent and expect him to beat face, Mostly I'll just invisible up a threat (e.g. spawn) and fly off the board, he can do more good stuff when he comes on again turn 2.

This. SMS is a pain for any DP really. Even worse when it's on a Skyray.

GoliothOnline wrote:You need to block Direct LoS from Be'Lakor to effectively use him. Hid him in ruins for a 2+ cover, Block LoS to him when you aren't using something that requires LoS.

Pretty simple stuff. But unfortunately most people don't regularly play with a lot of terrain. Which is necessary.

Fortunately most people at my FLGS have come around to the idea that playing on barren wastelands is no fun for anybody. This is especially true when you're talking about running a daemons list of any kind whether it be a Flying Circus, Hound rush, hell even the ScreamerStar is going to need it if you don't get first turn or on that one turn you fail the grimoire twice. Truly though, any army that is required to close with the enemy in order to deal damage (whether it be in assault or close range firepower) benefits immensely from having enough terrain on the board. Makes the game a much more fun and interesting experience when the terrain is right.

Be'lakor isn't broken. He's a good deal for his points, unlike a LOT of CSM units.
As previously mentioned, he's a scalpel compared to the machine gun that is a daemon weapon DP.
And yeah, DP of Khorne is generally considered a little sub-par to other options.