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Have the Gorka and Morkanaut points, thanks to Deutschland and /tg/


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Oh my! So much awesome collaboration in this thread! +1 for Killazoomer, but maybe call it Killazooma?

Sweet 5+ invulnarable save in 6" =)

is that the kff? 5+ invuls within 6"?

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
Have the Gorka and Morkanaut points, thanks to Deutschland and /tg/

Not bad. 300pts for a 5HP AV 13 walker with a KFF, IWND and some AP2 blast weaponry seems alright to me.

 zachwho wrote:
is that the kff? 5+ invuls within 6"?

Looks like it, but only to all models not units. Last paragraph on the page beside the Morkanaut rules.

"Rettungswurf" Google Translates to "saving throw", so all I can do is appeal to our German-speaking allies as to whether an invulnerable save is referred to as a Rettungswurf anywhere.

So, for all not able to sound angry all the time:

- KFF confirmed as 5++ save for models (not units) within 6"
- Gorkanaut has rampage, adding d3 attacks whenever outnumbered, but can't take KFF. Otherwise identical statline to Morkanaut.
- Gorkanaut 245 points, Morkanaut 230
- Text keeps talking about TL bazookas, unit entries have regular bazooks. Yay GW.


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 Dr. Delorean wrote:
"Rettungswurf" Google Translates to "saving throw", so all I can do is appeal to our German-speaking allies as to whether an invulnerable save is referred to as a Rettungswurf anywhere.

"Rettungswurf" has always been invulnerable save. Cover save would be "Deckungswurf".

Thanks for the translation, deutschfreund! Sorry about mangling your language.

Invuln save is goooooood. Models within 6" isn't so good though.

Hard to tell for sure but the new manz don't look oversized so might be five to a box?

Hmm, the difference in "units" to "models" will noticeably weaken the usefulness of the KFF. I wonder if the stats/points for the KFF on the Big Mek will be the same; if so, then maybe we will see Big Meks less simply because they aren't as viable.

 Accolade wrote:
Hmm, the difference in "units" to "models" will noticeably weaken the usefulness of the KFF. I wonder if the stats/points for the KFF on the Big Mek will be the same; if so, then maybe we will see Big Meks less simply because they aren't as viable.

It might weaken the usefulness, but is it really surprising?

Rehosted so as not to break the rules.

Seems ridiculously overcosted to me. Five killa kans would be cheaper and more effective and killa kans aren't exactly good at the moment. There's absolutely nothing on that profile that justifies a higher cost than a riptide.

A battlewagon with a big mek and some tankbustas or lootas is tougher, faster and just as capable of killing stuff.

I really hope that the rest of the codex is a lot better.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
Thanks for the translation, deutschfreund! Sorry about mangling your language.

Invuln save is goooooood. Models within 6" isn't so good though.

Well, "saving throw" is the correct translation, the Warhammer 40k translators just never cared for exact translation (which actually turned out mostly good). For example, nob was translated to "Boss" and Warboss became "Waaghboss".

That the 6" is models only now, isn't surprising. A single boy chaining the KFF to 29 others was just too strange, even for ork tech. I think it will balance out with the KFF no longer being ignorable and the ability to take up to 5 in a regular army.

3 MA KFF meks + 3 Morkanauts + 180 boyz seems like the re-installment of what used to be the kan wall to me.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Hmm, the difference in "units" to "models" will noticeably weaken the usefulness of the KFF. I wonder if the stats/points for the KFF on the Big Mek will be the same; if so, then maybe we will see Big Meks less simply because they aren't as viable.

It might weaken the usefulness, but is it really surprising?

No, not really. I don't know, I guess I would have liked to have seen a slight price drop since it will be much less effective. Maybe 40 points or thereabouts, consistent with the value but still a considerable investment.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Seems ridiculously overcosted to me. Five killa kans would be cheaper and more effective and killa kans aren't exactly good at the moment. There's absolutely nothing on that profile that justifies a higher cost than a riptide.

A battlewagon with a big mek and some tankbustas or lootas is tougher, faster and just as capable of killing stuff.

I really hope that the rest of the codex is a lot better.

Yep, it's costly. But the built-in 5++ bubble to protect your walkers is nice to have, even more so if your other KFF meks are busy elsewhere.

Updated first post with that, good find guys

 Accolade wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Hmm, the difference in "units" to "models" will noticeably weaken the usefulness of the KFF. I wonder if the stats/points for the KFF on the Big Mek will be the same; if so, then maybe we will see Big Meks less simply because they aren't as viable.

It might weaken the usefulness, but is it really surprising?

No, not really. I don't know, I guess I would have liked to have seen a slight price drop since it will be much less effective. Maybe 40 points or thereabouts, consistent with the value but still a considerable investment.

Yeah, but should it actually have been "units" before?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Hmm, the difference in "units" to "models" will noticeably weaken the usefulness of the KFF. I wonder if the stats/points for the KFF on the Big Mek will be the same; if so, then maybe we will see Big Meks less simply because they aren't as viable.

It might weaken the usefulness, but is it really surprising?

No, not really. I don't know, I guess I would have liked to have seen a slight price drop since it will be much less effective. Maybe 40 points or thereabouts, consistent with the value but still a considerable investment.

Yeah, but should it actually have been "units" before?

Knowing GW, I honestly couldn't tell you.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Seems ridiculously overcosted to me. Five killa kans would be cheaper and more effective and killa kans aren't exactly good at the moment. There's absolutely nothing on that profile that justifies a higher cost than a riptide.

A battlewagon with a big mek and some tankbustas or lootas is tougher, faster and just as capable of killing stuff.

I really hope that the rest of the codex is a lot better.

Yep, it's costly. But the built-in 5++ bubble to protect your walkers is nice to have, even more so if your other KFF meks are busy elsewhere.

I'd also like to point out that the writer didn't specify "against shooting". It might still be in the codex, but one can dream, right?

Also note that KFF spreads from the base, assuming the Morkanaut is based on the oval flyer base, that's easily enough to get two mobs of boys underneath.

KFF being 5++ now more than makes up for the nerf IMO. I can't tell you how often I've been fried by cover ignoring fire in 6th.
It will be SO NICE to be able to always take my KFF save.

 The Shadow wrote:

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
Have the Gorka and Morkanaut points, thanks to Deutschland and /tg/

Not bad. 300pts for a 5HP AV 13 walker with a KFF, IWND and some AP2 blast weaponry seems alright to me.

It's pretty godawful actually.

Im just hoping the rrst of the dex won't be a wiff. But with all the randomness of 7th and tables and charts mixed in with orks who are already random enough... we may just have a book of tables

FAQ's are up, including Orks http://www.blacklibrary.com/faqs-and-errata.html

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Seems ridiculously overcosted to me. Five killa kans would be cheaper and more effective and killa kans aren't exactly good at the moment. There's absolutely nothing on that profile that justifies a higher cost than a riptide.

A battlewagon with a big mek and some tankbustas or lootas is tougher, faster and just as capable of killing stuff.

I really hope that the rest of the codex is a lot better.

I agree with you, it seems very over-costed, especially compared to the Wraithknight and Riptide. However, a 13/13/12 vehicle with 5 Hull Points, a 5++ save and IWND, is potentially unkillable in some situations. You'll want to stay far away from Melta weapons.

I'm not sure the offense matches the defense though. A bunch of Big Shootas and some Rokkits aren't very impressive. We can take those in spades. The main cannon for both variants is very nice, but are you going to pay that many points for a chassis to mount it on?

This unit is unlikely to earn its points back in terms of slain models.

extremely overpriced points wise, really disappointing. it won't have the speed or fire power to hang with the other bigboys.

its pretty tough, and i like that, but we needed dakka.

I'll pick one up eventually, but i don't it'll ever hit the table in a competitive game for me. :(

Murrdox wrote:

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Seems ridiculously overcosted to me. Five killa kans would be cheaper and more effective and killa kans aren't exactly good at the moment. There's absolutely nothing on that profile that justifies a higher cost than a riptide.

A battlewagon with a big mek and some tankbustas or lootas is tougher, faster and just as capable of killing stuff.

I really hope that the rest of the codex is a lot better.

I agree with you, it seems very over-costed, especially compared to the Wraithknight and Riptide. However, a 13/13/12 vehicle with 5 Hull Points, a 5++ save and IWND, is potentially unkillable in some situations. You'll want to stay far away from Melta weapons.

I'm not sure the offense matches the defense though. A bunch of Big Shootas and some Rokkits aren't very impressive. We can take those in spades. The main cannon for both variants is very nice, but are you going to pay that many points for a chassis to mount it on?

This unit is unlikely to earn its points back in terms of slain models.

Ork units overcosted? Well I never...

Seriously though, I agree with you both. It's waaaay to expensive for what you're getting. No real killing power that we can't get in better numbers for cheaper in other units. I do see Morkanauts making their way to the table, if only for the KFF on such a durable platform. Sure, melta can still one shot you, but at least you're providing a decent save to models around it. I guess stick it near some Big Gunz units? Lootas or Flashgitz maybe? I dunno, its weaponry is so all over the place it's hard to say.

I'm seeing the Morkanaut as designed to anchor a footslogging or dredmob list. Stick a 5-man unit of burnaz with a mek and an attached big mek inside to repair approximately 1 HP or damage result per turn. While it may not rack up the kills commensurate with its points cost, it can account for that by saving other models. Note also that if they stick close to a KFF nobz can now forgo cybork bodies, so that's a potential cost savings as well.

 Bludbaff wrote:
I'm seeing the Morkanaut as designed to anchor a footslogging or dredmob list. Stick a 5-man unit of burnaz with a mek and an attached big mek inside to repair approximately 1 HP or damage result per turn. While it may not rack up the kills commensurate with its points cost, it can account for that by saving other models. Note also that if they stick close to a KFF nobz can now forgo cybork bodies, so that's a potential cost savings as well.

I'd just do a full Mek unit of Burna Boyz, frankly. You're unlikely to ever actually need the burnas themselves, so why not get more chances to repair HP/damage results?