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Just noticed there's no Waaagh! Special rule on the flash gitz.....

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

 Quarterdime wrote:
The collar plate, kneecaps, those segmented band-things around its armpits, probably something on the backside too if I could actually get to look at it.

Deff dredds have similar shaped components.

The 360 view on GW.com shows the back. If you don't like the front, you won't like the back!

Honestly, I think the Gorkanaut looks fine. The Kans and Dreads have parts that look more machined, and it's not as if orks never capture factories that can pump out parts for them. The Ork war machine *has* to have at least some manufacturing capability, it can't just be single meks working to put all of this stuff together. And even then, it's not like one can't take random pieces of plasticard and add them onto the model to make it look more ramshackle.

It's weird, but I can rationalize the different choices.

Ork Aircraft are probably almost all looted, so they have some riveting and mismatched parts, but they can't be too ramshackle, or they won't fly.

Ork Stompas are a communal effort by loads of orks, so everybody rivets and hammer stuff into place, so they are very ramshackle.

Ork Trukks are probably looted, so they are pretty ramshackle, and they fall apart easily, so they have loads of mismatched bits.

Ork Dreads and Kans are (kind-of) kustom built, but they aren't built for the mek himself (he's gonna hammer some grot or ork in there). They have more kustom components, but still loot a litlte bit of stuff.

The Gorka(Morka)naut is kustom built (no other walkers like it) and built for a specific client (who won't be trapped in it), possibly even the mek himself, so it has loads of custom components and (for orks) a relative dearth of scrap parts.

I'm not saying anybody's opinion is wrong. I myself would have liked this model as much with more scrap parts, but I do think it's easier to add scrap parts than to remove them.

Da Butcha wrote:
It's weird, but I can rationalize the different choices.

Ork Aircraft are probably almost all looted, so they have some riveting and mismatched parts, but they can't be too ramshackle, or they won't fly.

Ork Stompas are a communal effort by loads of orks, so everybody rivets and hammer stuff into place, so they are very ramshackle.

Ork Trukks are probably looted, so they are pretty ramshackle, and they fall apart easily, so they have loads of mismatched bits.

Ork Dreads and Kans are (kind-of) kustom built, but they aren't built for the mek himself (he's gonna hammer some grot or ork in there). They have more kustom components, but still loot a litlte bit of stuff.

The Gorka(Morka)naut is kustom built (no other walkers like it) and built for a specific client (who won't be trapped in it), possibly even the mek himself, so it has loads of custom components and (for orks) a relative dearth of scrap parts.

I'm not saying anybody's opinion is wrong. I myself would have liked this model as much with more scrap parts, but I do think it's easier to add scrap parts than to remove them.

It looks like a wardrobe on legs.

You think trukks and buggies are looted? I always figured they could make those. I mean the technology is 39,000 years behind the current stuff!

Leerjawise wrote:
Agreed, I disliked the busy apron of the Stompa, really, Orks never loot large thick sheets of metal? Or only in 1 square foot sheets?

When you scale those 'little' plates on the stompa to 'real life' sizes, they are five or six feet across and several inches thick. Each one would weigh over a ton it it was solid steel armour plate.

 PhillyT wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
The collar plate, kneecaps, those segmented band-things around its armpits, probably something on the backside too if I could actually get to look at it.

Deff dredds have similar shaped components.

The 360 view on GW.com shows the back. If you don't like the front, you won't like the back!

Similar components? They have no such components that I see. I see something segmented in the armpit, but in any case scale matters. If it's that big then I expect it to look more like the stompa. Just compare this to the Stompa, which in my opinion is a perfect model.

Was just ogling the flash gitz again, I absolutely love how one of them is holding a slugga as well a massive snazzgun.
You can never have enough dakka.

 Quarterdime wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
The collar plate, kneecaps, those segmented band-things around its armpits, probably something on the backside too if I could actually get to look at it.

Deff dredds have similar shaped components.

The 360 view on GW.com shows the back. If you don't like the front, you won't like the back!

Similar components? They have no such components that I see. I see something segmented in the armpit, but in any case scale matters. If it's that big then I expect it to look more like the stompa. Just compare this to the Stompa, which in my opinion is a perfect model.

Deff dredds have always had rounded components, often with a seam of some sort. Look at the old dredd and kans.

I love the stompa. I have three. But I don't see the stompa as any less manufactured as the goranaut, though I don't have the model in hand so can't give a final determination. The stompas HEAD is a single rounded capsule, the socket it sits in is machined. The gorkanaut has a ragged cut along the top of its chassis, just like the lid portion on top of the Stompa.

I understand where you are coming from, but it isn't as though there aren't already machined parts on the current walkers and large, clear shell components.

Orks DO, to a certain extent, manufacture and mass-produce weapons and vehicles. Those, however, are definitely way more ramshackle than something a mek would spend time and "care" on. Since dreads and kans are usually "kustom jobs," a mek would probably make a slightly larger effort in putting them together than he would making 200 sluggas, 10 trukks, or a squad of warbikes. Take note in how a battlewagon (or at least the current kit) is a lot less ramshackle and loose as a trukk. A BW is a "kustom job" that a warboss or kaptin or some other leader will commission the mek for, so he puts just a little bit more effort into making it sturdy and worky, so the boss doesn't die and he gets paid. It's got a lot of clean, flat areas, and looks like a big half-track that might actually work than the trukk, something put together to get boyz from A to B as quickly as possible.It looks like it'll fall apart if it goes more than 20 miles, and it's got a rule to represent that.

Looking at the sprue of the Gorkamorkanaut, there's lots of scratches and dings on most of the parts, and some "pounded metal" texture on others. It's supposed to be big pieces of scrap, but the mediocre paintjobs cover up most of the texture and just makes everything look like a solid block. What people want is what you get on the stompa, trukk and BW - pieces hammered and riveted on top of each other instead of scratches and dings. The illusion of this is also on the dread and kans, with lines carved into the pieces to look like panels. I think this layering is called "greebling," and if that was on the Gorkamorkanaut, opinions would probably be very different.

IMO the Gorkamorkanaut is just another great conversion opportunity. Large, flat areas are easier to use in conversions, and better for adding layers of plasticard to. I like it, I'll probably buy it eventually (I want to see what other goodies we get!), and it will. Get. Converted.

Unless the Biggunz are really special, im more interested in raining down dual shot Killerkan death.

Hello bs3!

Big Gunz should also have a BS 3 since grots do the aimin'
However I'm very curious to see the weapon stats. Maybe you won't even have to roll to hit? Like the good 'ol Zzap in 3rd...
I do hope we get some AA stuff.
Traktor Kannon against enemy flyer, just picture it folks!!!

 PhillyT wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
The collar plate, kneecaps, those segmented band-things around its armpits, probably something on the backside too if I could actually get to look at it.

Deff dredds have similar shaped components.

The 360 view on GW.com shows the back. If you don't like the front, you won't like the back!

Similar components? They have no such components that I see. I see something segmented in the armpit, but in any case scale matters. If it's that big then I expect it to look more like the stompa. Just compare this to the Stompa, which in my opinion is a perfect model.

Deff dredds have always had rounded components, often with a seam of some sort. Look at the old dredd and kans.

I love the stompa. I have three. But I don't see the stompa as any less manufactured as the goranaut, though I don't have the model in hand so can't give a final determination. The stompas HEAD is a single rounded capsule, the socket it sits in is machined. The gorkanaut has a ragged cut along the top of its chassis, just like the lid portion on top of the Stompa.

I understand where you are coming from, but it isn't as though there aren't already machined parts on the current walkers and large, clear shell components.

If I was just talking about rounded components, I would have brought up half the model. I'm referring to particular parts that look too well-fitted for orks.

Again though, find the seams on the stompas outside of the lid and the armor plates on the hull. Both arms and the back components are well fitted.

I don't care if the rules for Flashgitz suck. I'm buying a box THEY LOOK FRIGGEN AMAZING!

 Bonzofever wrote:
Big Gunz should also have a BS 3 since grots do the aimin'
However I'm very curious to see the weapon stats. Maybe you won't even have to roll to hit? Like the good 'ol Zzap in 3rd...
I do hope we get some AA stuff.
Traktor Kannon against enemy flyer, just picture it folks!!!

Didn't Squidbot mention that there are now 4 gun types? From the image we have seen, the left gun appears to be the ZZap gun or similar, the middle one has some sort of KFF assembly on it, and the right gun appears to be adapted from Mega Blaster Tech.

I love the grots on these gun, especially the welding helmet head

I haven't been keeping track of every single page here, but has anyone else noticed in the story book of the 7th edition set noticed that the Ork section has a piece of art spanning an entire page that very well looks like it could be the codex's art?:

Yep, its been posted here.

Hopefully, that's the new codex cover, would be pretty snazzy.

 Wilytank wrote:
I haven't been keeping track of every single page here, but has anyone else noticed in the story book of the 7th edition set noticed that the Ork section has a piece of art spanning an entire page that very well looks like it could be the codex's art?:

Considering all the other sections are preceded by their codex art, it is very likely.

 Wilytank wrote:
I haven't been keeping track of every single page here, but has anyone else noticed in the story book of the 7th edition set noticed that the Ork section has a piece of art spanning an entire page that very well looks like it could be the codex's art?:

Spoiler:

It's already been posted here, but yes, it's more than likely that this is the codex cover. It's in line with the rest of the covers, it's damn orky, and it was featured in the Gorkamorkanaut video as well, WITHOUT the Goff symbol (thankfully).

Da Butcha wrote:
... it's easier to add scrap parts than to remove them.

This is a big reason I like the cleaner look. It's much easier to make it as ramshackle as you want by adding detail, than to remove unwanted detail.

 adamsouza wrote:

Da Butcha wrote:
... it's easier to add scrap parts than to remove them.

This is a big reason I like the cleaner look. It's much easier to make it as ramshackle as you want by adding detail, than to remove unwanted detail.

The Gorka/Morkanaut looks unfinished. Even if you ignore the overall smoother and cleaner look, the area behind the head, and the area next to the legs, are completely bare of detail. Even aside from that, overall the level of detail that's present looks out of scale - over most of the model it's like a scaled up Kann. Like a 28mm scale walker, blown up to 3x scale, with a few random bits and bobs added. Really unimpressed.

With the Flash Gitz means the era of Kaptin Bludlfagg is in!!!

And the rules aren't too bad, but the variable AP on the snazzguns could hurt at times.

 ace101 wrote:
And the rules aren't too bad, but the variable AP on the snazzguns could hurt at times.

When the BS 3 is in effect, they're actually pretty decent as AP-, massively better than lootas against T3-4 in fact (~80% better vs T4 per model, and ~23% better at equal point cost). Getting AP2 or AP3 against the right target just makes them sort of ridiculous, like having a chance for lootas to suddenly becoming Heavy 8 vs terminators or Heavy 6 vs MEQ.

 PhillyT wrote:
Again though, find the seams on the stompas outside of the lid and the armor plates on the hull. Both arms and the back components are well fitted.

The Stompa looks like the only things that were well fitted were the bare necessities and the guns. Aside from that, everything's made from oddly shaped scrap. I don't see how you can compare the two. Hell, even the icon on their bellies show the difference. The Stompa's was assembled from scrap to form the shape while the Gorkanaut's icon looks like it was made in a giant two part mold!

 Toburk wrote:

 ace101 wrote:
And the rules aren't too bad, but the variable AP on the snazzguns could hurt at times.

When the BS 3 is in effect, they're actually pretty decent as AP-, massively better than lootas against T3-4 in fact (~80% better vs T4 per model, and ~23% better at equal point cost). Getting AP2 or AP3 against the right target just makes them sort of ridiculous, like having a chance for lootas to suddenly becoming Heavy 8 vs terminators or Heavy 6 vs MEQ.

All they need is a way to keep them from getting barraged or flamed off the table in one turn!

 Quarterdime wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:
Again though, find the seams on the stompas outside of the lid and the armor plates on the hull. Both arms and the back components are well fitted.

The Stompa looks like the only things that were well fitted were the bare necessities and the guns. Aside from that, everything's made from oddly shaped scrap. I don't see how you can compare the two. Hell, even the icon on their bellies show the difference. The Stompa's was assembled from scrap to form the shape while the Gorkanaut's icon looks like it was made in a giant two part mold!

Lol, no, it looks like it was roughly cut from a must larger piece of metal. And since that is a separate piece, it would be very easy to cut it apart and paint it like different smaller pieces of metal, if that is what you want. My issue with the stompa is every stompa looks the same, when they are supposed to be random and haphazard, whomever assembled the apron assembles the plates in the same position everytime. WIth models like these nauts, with big parts and big flat spaces, it makes it extremely easy to customize. Which is what we want, yes?

 ace101 wrote:
With the Flash Gitz means the era of Kaptin Bludlfagg is in!!!

Spoiler:

And the rules aren't too bad, but the variable AP on the snazzguns could hurt at times.

Is it Bludflagg or Bludfagg?