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And on the first of June I saw the new pics, and my funds cried out in terror...

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 ceorron wrote:
Would it be wrong to suggest that I get the feeling that this release is probably more aimed at the veterans than the younger player.

I daresay that every single GW release is aimed at veterans. If GW actually believed in their (assumed?) policy of targeting 14-year olds who only stay in the game for a year or so, they wouldn't be constantly inventing new units instead of fixing bad old models.

GW has changed it's customer focus of late, it now believes it's core demographic is a late 20s/early 30s male IT worker, likely with a family of 1-2 kids and a small group of friends who wargames with him.

What worries me is that these new guns will invalidate the old guns. and that lobba's killcannon etc will not be in the new codex.
And I really like the look of the old ones.

morpheuschild wrote:

 happygolucky wrote:
Badrukk, Zagstruk and Snikrot already have models so they will be more HQ choices..

Koptas are meant to be plastic models so i'm looking forward to seeing them

i hope you're incorrect about badrukk, zagstruk, and snikrot, and that they remain unit upgrade characters, and do not become hq choices.

Happened with Daemons, unit upgrades such as the Changeling and Karnack, become HQ choices...

I'm just adding 2 and 2 together..

 happygolucky wrote:

morpheuschild wrote:

 happygolucky wrote:
Badrukk, Zagstruk and Snikrot already have models so they will be more HQ choices..

Koptas are meant to be plastic models so i'm looking forward to seeing them

i hope you're incorrect about badrukk, zagstruk, and snikrot, and that they remain unit upgrade characters, and do not become hq choices.

Happened with Daemons, unit upgrades such as the Changeling and Karnack, become HQ choices...

I'm just adding 2 and 2 together..

Yeah, but it's now no longer the end of the world if they do.

As a Detachment is now a HQ and a troop choice, we can just have Badrukks detachment of flash gits, Snikkrot's of Kommandoz, Zagstrukk's of Stormboyz and the main army all used at once... and if they really do make each specialized unit a troops choice, that's even better news.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 happygolucky wrote:

morpheuschild wrote:

 happygolucky wrote:
Badrukk, Zagstruk and Snikrot already have models so they will be more HQ choices..

Koptas are meant to be plastic models so i'm looking forward to seeing them

i hope you're incorrect about badrukk, zagstruk, and snikrot, and that they remain unit upgrade characters, and do not become hq choices.

Happened with Daemons, unit upgrades such as the Changeling and Karnack, become HQ choices...

I'm just adding 2 and 2 together..

Yeah, but it's now no longer the end of the world if they do.

As a Detachment is now a HQ and a troop choice, we can just have Badrukks detachment of flash gits, Snikkrot's of Kommandoz, Zagstrukk's of Stormboyz and the main army all used at once... and if they really do make each specialized unit a troops choice, that's even better news.

I didn't really intend to say that it was the end of the world, I like the change

Tbh all I hope is that all Kans (Dredds, Kans, FW, etc) get a good boost as that was the one playstyle I really liked from the Orks, and it was sad to see myself shlving them because people figured out that glancing is far more easier than penetrating..

That and I want to cram as many Meganobz in as possible..

 PhillyT wrote:

Leerjawise wrote:

 Impunity wrote:
So, did the Flash Gitz get any cheaper? I'm seeing 11- points in the corner of the picture, and it's 22/per extra up to 10.


If it's a cost reduction, that plus the loss of having to pay for every damn upgrade, plus the three hits, plus bs3, makes it all sound a lot more useful. Oh, and bosspoles on every one, standard. That's sweet when they already have two wounds.

Yeah, they were 25 points, so a small reduction. Since they all have bosspoles, it is likely that bosspoles do something new

They lost heavy armor though.

Last edition the +1 shot was mandatory, making them 30. The +1 AP was pretty much the same. So they ran 35, then one was flipped to a pain boy. And it was often worth it to make them cyborgs. Really, 10 were at least 440 points at the end of the day. They are half that now with better shooting.

Also great is the dedicated wagons and trukks. In the past they were like two heavies since you needed the wagon.

+1 shot and +1 strength were the mandatory ones. The -1 AP was a downgrade, not only giving you get's hot, but making the Flashgit's ration of points per MEQ/TEQ killed even worse.

Concidering that the boss pole pretty much was the same as +1 ld on ld 7 models, they might have reverted to that for the sake of simplicity.

All in all, bumping flash gits to three shots and allowing them BS3 finally makes them more worthwhile than shoota boyz or maybe lootaz (haven't done the math yet). It also remains to be seen what Barukk's rules will be.

I also fully expect the battlewagon/trukk dedicated transports to apear army-wide, just like the 'ere we go rule (why should it be exclusive to a shooting unit?). That would help ork combat a lot.

Flash gitz were always a unit who's greatest weaknesses were a) they were heavy support (competing against wagons and big gunz), b), no ride.

Both of these issues are fixed. I'm not sure if they're 'points' optimal, but they're definitely not an obvious 'pass' now.

I don't see their lack of armor as a big issue, because I think 90% of the time they will be riding in a battlewagon. (unless god forbid everyone's favorite unit goes up in price drastically).

Also I think with the new way the force org works, people will be taking a lot of Megabosses to give units slow and purposeful and tank for units. If the points remain similar, 100 points for a STR 10, T5, W3 +2 save dude with LD 10 will be a welcome sight in smaller, elite units, that otherwise are still schlepping around with LD7.

I too expect to see Battlewagons as dedicated transport for boyz, nobz, flashgitz and maybe some other specialist units.
That would let Ork players decide how to use their Heavy Support: GorkaMorkanauts, Big Gunz and/or Flashgitz.

oooh slow-n-p megabosses with flash gitz, for always stationary shooting sounds WAAAAAAGHnderful!!!

A warboss is just ld9. However, if mob rule stays the same, you could just field 10 gits for ld 10 and fearless.

Also note that Slow&Purposeful doesn't make all weapons count as stationary, only heavy, salvo and ordnance. The Gitfinder wouldn't be affected.

I do have to say that I'm enjoying the Orky take over of GW.
Between the website and White Dwarf... I'm glad that they've realized that Ork players want to have fun!

Sounds like the return of the 2nd edition big guns... Splatta kannons, squig launchers, pullsa rokkits.

I actually like how they kept the design of mega armor.

idk about everyone else, but this ork player has fun when he has
a good codex, and tableing guard, marines, and space elfs under our boots! what do we call tau?

Relly looking forward to painting some of these guys. The Morkanaut isnt really my cup of tea... looks kinda derpy but the flash gitz, mega nobz and weapon platforms are super cool

 zachwho wrote:
idk about everyone else, but this ork player has fun when he has
a good codex, and tableing guard, marines, and space elfs under our boots! what do we call tau?

Fish 'eads!

 zachwho wrote:
idk about everyone else, but this ork player has fun when he has
a good codex, and tableing guard, marines, and space elfs under our boots! what do we call tau?

Fishies.

Also, tableing is well and good, but i'd prefer fair ballance. every unit viable, no helldrake-riptide, no pyrovore...

 Kosake wrote:

 zachwho wrote:
idk about everyone else, but this ork player has fun when he has
a good codex, and tableing guard, marines, and space elfs under our boots! what do we call tau?

Fishies.

Also, tabling is well and good, but i'd prefer fair balance. every unit viable, no helldrake-riptide, no pyrovore...

Quoted for Truth!

Why was their a GW released video teasing Orks for May 31st, but nothing as come of it?

 Commander_Farsight wrote:
Why was their a GW released video teasing Orks for May 31st, but nothing as come of it?

Pre-orders for the G/Morkanaut.

i dont know about you lot, but im pleased i painted me orks as Blood axes,.. im really hoping i can inc. some guard in my army, if Rumors are true.. my friend was talking about selling his old guard to buy more Death Korps...... Grrr,.. i feel like a kid looking at that big Present under the tree, 6 days before x-mas. what did i get, what did i get?? granted, i have to put up with my local gamers saying,... thats not an orky army,...

So, we have visual on M/Gorknaught, Flash Gits, Big Gunz, and most likely MANZ. Also, speculation on Kans with two gun arms. Anyone spotted anything else?

New shokk attack gun.

Not much has been dropped since we've seen the Gitz, Gunz, Meks, and MANZ. We'll have to wait for later in the week to see if anything pops up.

There's the new grots with the gunz, and they look to have little power weapons - one with a drill and another with a tiny power klaw.

Gave you a little more on the last page

 Squidbot wrote:

Mega with shoulder attachment that I thought was possibly a new SAG (Probably isn't, given the SAG we saw in yesterday's picture, so no idea what it is) has a vice like claw, rather than bladed.
Seen some Megas with two CCW (Buzz saws).

This tidbit? I sure hope we get a proper leak on the MANZ soon.

 Kosake wrote:


Also, tableing is well and good, but i'd prefer fair ballance. every unit viable, no helldrake-riptide, no pyrovore...

Yyyyeah... I don't think Orks are going to be tabling much this ed. either. Not when the designer's attitude is, as evidenced in the latest WD, "if all your Orks get shot to death, who cares, they're just Orks".

Did anyone mention that the Gorkanaut has a rule called "Rampage"?

I didn't see it in any of the photos(they cut off shortly above that bit).

 Bonzofever wrote:
I too expect to see Battlewagons as dedicated transport for boyz, nobz, flashgitz and maybe some other specialist units.
That would let Ork players decide how to use their Heavy Support: GorkaMorkanauts, Big Gunz and/or Flashgitz.

I am really hoping for this... being limited to 3 BW's or haveing to steal one from the nobs is a pain in the but and HS was croweded before, now its even more so...


dedicated BW's for all would be sweeeeeet, and hey, not like GW doesnt want to sell more kits right?

 Gargskull wrote:
New shokk attack gun.

Yup, i saw GW took the old one off the online store.