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Zwei- You can't really say a rumour is wrong (or right). Cause at the time someone comes out with a rumour, it's neither. You can only call it that if there's actually confirmed information that says otherwise.

What you should be asking is- is your source reliable? Do you have any evidence of that?

 Dakkamite wrote:
We haven't really seen much that makes them good in CC sofar.

Ere we go is nice, but is it enough to make Orks "choppy"?

You're right as far nothing new per se, but Orks are already pretty good in CC with Furious Charge, number of attacks, WS4, and now 'ere we go. Just given the overall number of boyz that get into combat, I find they do really well.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Zwei- You can't really say a rumour is wrong (or right). Cause at the time someone comes out with a rumour, it's neither. You can only call it that if there's actually confirmed information that says otherwise.

What you should be asking is- is your source reliable? Do you have any evidence of that?

a) Darnok from Warseer confirmed that this rumour is bollocks. Is he reliable? Reasonably so.

b) Are Natfka/BoLS, original authors of this rumour, reliable as a source? No. They are among the least reliable out there.


So a rumour from a notoriously bad source actively disputed by a reasonably reliable source.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Deunstephe wrote:

Hold your horses, Bretonnians are rumoured to be the next release..

Those rumours are wrong.

People such as Darnok from Warseer have been saying so repeatedly over the last few weeks. Nobody outside Natfka/BoLS posts/heard/knows anything about Brets (as far as I am aware).

Same pattern like the Blood Angels vs. Orks (or Guard vs. Eldar, in the case of Natfka) starter box rumours (which were also disputed, including by 40K Radio, everytime they appeared, yet kept getting re-posted over and over in some strange quest for willful misinformation).

Or, if we go back further a bit, the great Orks vs. Templars releases Natfka was peddling less than a year ago.

Spoiler:

Ah well, I was hoping for some new bits for Inq28, guess not so soon!

In the meantime, nice an' shooty dakka is where it's at.

 Zweischneid wrote:

Well, June '14 is just like October '13.

 Breotan wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:

Well, June '14 is just like October '13.

Truth. It's like a northern vs. southern hemisphere thing right?

I've had to quit spending on GW all together as the associated costs have started to overwhelm me financially. I'm 42, make a pretty good salary, and this game is STILL taxing my hobby budget.

It's a little disheartening, but honestly, I'm not about to "push though" for a company that obviously does not care about the customer, acknowledge it's competition, or price it's product competitively.

I've enjoyed watching the Ork release roll out, but I've not found a single way to justify the expenditure. I'll keep watching the roll out, but imagine that even a year from now, I'll still feel the same.

Bummed out.

 matphat wrote:
I've had to quit spending on GW all together as the associated costs have started to overwhelm me financially. I'm 42, make a pretty good salary, and this game is STILL taxing my hobby budget.

It's a little disheartening, but honestly, I'm not about to "push though" for a company that obviously does not care about the customer, acknowledge it's competition, or price it's product competitively.

I've enjoyed watching the Ork release roll out, but I've not found a single way to justify the expenditure. I'll keep watching the roll out, but imagine that even a year from now, I'll still feel the same.

Bummed out.

I can only agree.I am in similar situation matphat...

...I really love WH40k. Especially Ork fluff... but 4 Mek Gunz or 10Flash Gitz and Battlewagon being more expensive than big set of Deadzone?

I have something to think about...

I already have more orky stuff than i really need, so i'm not spending all that much these days.

I'll build my own Gorkanaught, rather than buying one.

Ditto the Mek Gunz.

So...a new Shokk Attak Gun?

What were people's perception of the Shokk Attak Gun in previous editions? Was it a worthwhile competitive unit?

I have fond memories of my friends SAG blowing up my 5 Terminators and Captain on Turn 1, or teleporting himself across the table into combat.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
So...a new Shokk Attak Gun?

What were people's perception of the Shokk Attak Gun in previous editions? Was it a worthwhile competitive unit?

I have fond memories of my friends SAG blowing up my 5 Terminators and Captain on Turn 1, or teleporting himself across the table into combat.

I had fun with mine. I can't wait to play with two!

I had a lot of fun with mine (Big Mek Spinnywotz! )

We'll see what the new codex brings.

The SAG was an okay unit. While it was expensive and had that random element, it was still useful on account of being a long ranged Ap 2 large blast weapon. Unless you rolled poorly on the strength, it was a real threat to marines and weaker vehicles. The reason no one took it was, simply, you had to take a KFF to protect your boys and trukks

The problem with the old SAG mek was Ghazghkull was practically required and worked well with almost every army, Biker Boss and KFF mek also were plug and play.

So there were simply better, more useful and flexible HQs which made the SAG mek a weak choice. Combine with a terrible model to assemble (both metal and finecast) and he didn't make many appearances.

SAG meks were fun in apocalypse or in the dreadbash list as they were best used in multiples, hence why I have 5.

With Ghazghkull removed from common games it seems, it really depends how 'shooty' new orks can go to see if it is viable to sacrifice a KFFmek or an assault boss for the HQ slot. Sounds like it may be the case with the gorkanaught.

well with the rumor of them moving ghaz to LoW status, and the
apparent focus on mek type units, flash gitz, and MANz, it makes sense to bring back nazdreg. all of the new toys are very expensive, and he has more teef than them all!!

I love fielding the SAG. Not because it is a great strategic move but because it is a lot of fun. At the end of every shooting phase (you always shoot him last) both me and my opponents could not wait to see if doubles were rolled. It makes the game fun.

Fielded me Gorkanaut for the first time today in a 500 point game against Tau. The thing is a beast with it armor 13, 5hp, grot riggers and my big mek w/ kff in it. The thing goes where it pleases. Sure I could only bring along grots and a small squad of boyz because of the points it sucked up but the game was a blast.

I can't imagine ghazghkull as a LoW.


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Even with 4 wounds, a 2+ invul, and huge army-wide bonuses. It makes no sense to compare to a Titan or Baneblade. and 235 is already expensive. Is he now 500 pts?

I can ...

Imagine him as a CC version of a transcendent Ctan.

Dozens of S D attacks...

 zachwho wrote:
well with the rumor of them moving ghaz to LoW status, and the
apparent focus on mek type units, flash gitz, and MANz, it makes sense to bring back nazdreg. all of the new toys are very expensive, and he has more teef than them all!!

While I would love Nazdreg, it really seems they are pushing Grukk Face-Rippa in the lore book and in the white dwarfs. They even mention "Of all the Waaaghs! now threatening the galaxy, two stand out as particularly alarming." One of which is Ghaz, and the other is Grukk. WIth the rumored new attack squiq Warboss, I think it is likely we will see him take Ghaz's place as the standard ork warboss HQ if Ghaz becomes a LOW.

In addition, Nazdreg is mentioned as still only rumored to be alive.

(I just hope they don't dump Wazdakka and Zogwort)

They also mention his famous gun in the apocrypha at the end.

Given that Nazdreg has had feth all mention in years i can still hope

If all else fails i'll build him anyway, and use him as a Flash Gitz Kaptin.

a flash git captain??? well, if he is dead I'm sure he's rolling over in his grave at this insult.

Best I can do, within the roolz...

Or I could run an all flashgit unbound army, and say that they are his regular ladz

 Ascalam wrote:
Best I can do, within the roolz...

Or I could run an all flashgit unbound army, and say that they are his regular ladz

I'd run him as a mega armored warboss, or a megaarmored mek. He honestly deserves a complete scratchbuild that I don't have the time for, lol.

With no gun option worth a damn, when his gun was one of the main reasons for taking him.

Could use badrukk as a counts as nazdreg I suppose ...

hopefully we will get some new gear options that will make a counts as nazdreg a possibility, that is if he's not in the book.

 matphat wrote:
I've had to quit spending on GW all together as the associated costs have started to overwhelm me financially. I'm 42, make a pretty good salary, and this game is STILL taxing my hobby budget.

It's a little disheartening, but honestly, I'm not about to "push though" for a company that obviously does not care about the customer, acknowledge it's competition, or price it's product competitively.

I've enjoyed watching the Ork release roll out, but I've not found a single way to justify the expenditure. I'll keep watching the roll out, but imagine that even a year from now, I'll still feel the same.

Bummed out.

By pure "luck" (for lack of a better word) I ran into someone new who plays 40k last week. I met my girlfriends friend and her husband for the first time and I noticed he had some space marines on a painting table and we started talking about 40k. I told him I had orks but I haven't played in forever. He told me about 7th edition which was surprising because when I quit 6th was just starting up. And of course it's $85 for the new book even though it's more like 6.5 edition with a new thing for psykers and vehicles and no other major changes.

He also mentioned orks are getting a lot of new stuff now and a new book so that's what lead me to here. I was thinking, damn this is pretty cool, maybe I should even get back into 40k. Then you see Flash Gitz, $53. A single Mek Gun at $46, a mek with the new SAG $37. I'm a frugal person and those prices are just no where near my ballpark of acceptable. So whatever, I guess I just won't get that stuff, but let me take a look at the new codex and see if I can still even play the game competitively with what I have and what's this?? It's not even out yet because they're MILKING THE CRAP out of these new releases. Unbelievable.

My friends and I have all moved on to warmachine, the rules are so much better, it's way less random, it's more balanced, and it doesn't cost a fortune to play. For anyone who's not a complete GW fan boy, you'll understand what I'm talking about. For $377 you can make an entire 50 point warmachine army (the major tournament point level) and probably have something left over, but in GW land $377 gets you 10 flash gitz, 10 lootas, 4 kannons, and a SAG mek lol. That's what, maybe 700 points? When you need like 1500 minimum. That's seriously REALLY BAD!!!!!!!!! Think I'm crazy? Let's math it out...

Feora, Protector of the Flame (warcaster) $12.99
Templar (Heavy Warjack) (8pts) $34.99
Vanquisher (Heavy Warjack) (8pts) $34.99
Vanquisher (Heavy Warjack) (8pts) $34.99
Avatar of Menoth (Character Heavy Warjack) (11 pts) $34.99
Holy Zealots (10 man infantry squad) (6pts) ($50.00)
Monolith Bearer (Holy Zealot Unit Attachment) (2pts) ($11.99)
Choir of Menoth (6 man Infantry squad) (3pts) ($31.99)
Vassal of Menoth (Solo) (2pts) ($7.99)
Vassal of Menoth (Solo) (2pts) ($7.99)
Eiryss, Angel of Retribution (Merc solo) (3pts) ($16.99)
Nicia, Tear of Vengeance (Solo) (3pts) ($12.99)

56 points + my warcaster = $292.89 for my EXACT list right now. So it's actually $84 cheaper to just make an entire warmachine army compared to that tiny ork bundle.


That's not to say you can't have fun playing 40k, it's just something I personally can't take very seriously and I've stated my reasons. I've already scheduled a game with that new friend of mine, I'll use what orks I do have, I've already made -that- investment, but I'll continually try to convert him to warmachine and hordes as it's the superior game and is actually affordable for me to play. Which is too bad really, I absolutely LOVE everything about my orks, the way they fight, the way they think, their lore, and how absolutely ridiculous they are. Games Workshop has simply priced me out of the game.

Anyway, just wanted to say you're not the only one who thinks that way Matphat! Take it easy man!

I used to think that way too about GW pricing compared to warmachine's pricing, but really its comparing apples and oranges. Sure, they're both tabletop games, but ones a small scale skirmish game, and the other is a large scale war game.

Edit: And i think warmachine's rules are so much better than 40k's rules but its still not the same in comparison.

C'mon, where are the leaks abouot next week WD? and about the Codex?

 nflagey wrote:
C'mon, where are the leaks abouot next week WD? and about the Codex?

My thoughts exactly. It is about this time the next leak appears.

Screw the leaks, I'm at a point whereby I want the codex. Ive had enough waiting and its now taking urine. Grrrr