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Arbitrarily banning LoW units is laziness.

 PhillyT wrote:
Arbitrarily banning LoW units is laziness.

The only laziness is that of the game's writers who deliberately create imbalances within the rules in a desperate attempt to drive sales. And if this rumour about moving popular HQ special characters to the LOW slot to force more players to accept the LOW slot in regular games is true then its extremely disappointing that they're deliberately undermining players who attempt to fix those imbalances.

You imply all LoW models are equal and imbalanced, which isn't accurate.

 PhillyT wrote:
You imply all LoW models are equal and imbalanced, which isn't accurate.

No, I did not. Are you presuming to mind read me?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:
You imply all LoW models are equal and imbalanced, which isn't accurate.

No, I did not. Are you presuming to mind read me?

So what did you mean? It read like you thought LOW slots should not be allowed,

I am happy to allow special characters like Marneus Calgar and Ghazgull Thraka in regular games, e.g. 1000-2000pts, but I would not want to allow Superheavy units like Stompas, Baneblades, Warhounds and Reaver titans because I wouldn't find it a fun game.

Those superheavy units were mad for and belong in BIG Apocalypse games.

By shoving popular special characters into the LOW slot, GW clearly wants to make the LOW more ubiquitous, by undermining people's objections to it.


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UltraPrime wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:
You imply all LoW models are equal and imbalanced, which isn't accurate.

No, I did not. Are you presuming to mind read me?

So what did you mean? It read like you thought LOW slots should not be allowed,

I mean that I object in principle to the use of big LOW units like Titans in small games of <2000pts. Whereas I would not object to smaller special characters like Calgar.


I don't have a problem with Superheavies, but I don't want to play with them outside of Apocalypse. Moving HQ characters to LOW strikes me as a transparent attempt to force people to accept Superheavies if they want to use popular Special Characters.



I REALLY hope this rumour is false.

Why would moving a character to low result in it being more or less playable? That's my point, if everything else remained the same, the slot forcing a group to ban it is lazy.

Half the super heavies are garbage even. The stomps is average, though he even suffers in a one on one against a knight even. If ghaz is a LoW,I would be excited. It would mean an interesting twist and some neat potential changes.

That said I don't buy it.

 PhillyT wrote:
You imply all LoW models are equal and imbalanced, which isn't accurate.

No one said they are equally imbalanced. Some are far worse than others.

Straight banning the slot implies the very idea is unbalanced and requires removal.

Thought this was a rumors page. Looks more like a barber shop where a few grumpy old men sit around complaining about how things where better back in the day.

Well we are talking about lords of war because of the highly suspect rumor that Ghaz will be one.

Makinit wrote:
Thought this was a rumors page. Looks more like a barber shop where a few grumpy old men sit around complaining about how things where better back in the day.

I like that. And I am. Have an exalt.

If changing major characters to LoW is their idea of forcing people to allow LoW in normal games, among groups that ban them, then they fail, because said groups will just change the ban to superheavy vehicles and gargantuan creatures, instead of LoW. That's what people don't typically want to play against. It's not the slot they don't like, it's the huge, expensive vehicles they don't like playing against.

Hm...I'd really like to get that codex allready. So much speculation could be avoided if they just released the dex allready.

All I know is that I love the new big gunz and their pre-windows computers. Reminds me of the 8088 I had waaay back, with the monochrome CRT monitor, 5" floppy drive and cooling fan that sounded like a big diesel that was badly in need of a tune-up. It didn't even have a mouse, I had to use direction keys for everything. The Mechanicum would have loved it! Enough with the ancient past. I'm betting that the Grots have to crew them because Orks lack the patience to fiddle with DOS.

I'm like, super fething keen on Ghazghull as a LoW, even if I'm neutral on the others.

Thats definitely a direction I'm happy to see this game go in.

Makinit wrote:
Thought this was a rumors page. Looks more like a barber shop where a few grumpy old men sit around complaining about how things where better back in the day.

I'm 23. Started 40K with 5th Ed back in 2008 when I was 17. And I think the games gotten worse overall since then.

I could see it being fluffy that if Gaz is invloved he bring enough Orks with him that its a LOW sized game.

It's Sunday and no new news. Maybe GW found the leak and had them executed for treason.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

I'm 23. Started 40K with 5th Ed back in 2008 when I was 17. And I think the games gotten worse overall since then.

I'm 38, started 40K back in the RT Era. Orks got worse in 3rd edition, slighlty better in 4th, and looks like they might not be totally bottom tier in 7th Edition.

Also, your comment has little to nothing to do with Ork Rumors at all.

I own Games Workshop miniatures older than you, so excuse me if I don't a squigs bottom about your opinion on the overal quality of the game I've been playing since before you were born.

 adamsouza wrote:


I'm 23. Started 40K with 5th Ed back in 2008 when I was 17. And I think the games gotten worse overall since then.

I'm 38, started 40K back in the RT Era. Orks got worse in 3rd edition, slighlty better in 4th, and looks like they might not be totally bottom tier in 7th Edition.

Also, your comment has little to nothing to do with Ork Rumors at all.

I own Games Workshop miniatures older than you, so excuse me if I don't a squigs bottom about your opinion on the overal quality of the game I've been playing since before you were born.

Someone brought up a rumour that Ghazghkull Thraka would be moved to the LOW slot, I expressed my opinion that it would be a terrible idea if popular Special Characters being moved to the LOW slot became common place in future Codex's. Then someone remarked that we're like a bunch of grumpy old men complaining about the good old days - I countered that I'm not old at all and am already disillusioned. So my comment WAS on topic, because I was remarking on an Ork Rumour.

And besides, I don't see how age has any relevance to a player's personal opinion on the current and future quality of a game. So excuse if I don't give a feth whether my opinion irritates you. You can take your Rogue Trader Orks and stick them somewhere rude for all I care.

Now, I've expressed my opinion on the ORK RUMOUR about Ghazghkull Thraka being moved to the Lord of War slot and its wider implications for Warhammer 40K and have no more to say, unless you want to continue arguing and taking this thread off topic?

Where did the Ghaz as a Lord of War rumor even come from? All I recall of it originally was a thread showing off a Titan-sized conversion of Ghazkull with that title, not an actual rumor of any real rules change on that front.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:


I'm 23. Started 40K with 5th Ed back in 2008 when I was 17. And I think the games gotten worse overall since then.

I'm 38, started 40K back in the RT Era. Orks got worse in 3rd edition, slighlty better in 4th, and looks like they might not be totally bottom tier in 7th Edition.

Also, your comment has little to nothing to do with Ork Rumors at all.

I own Games Workshop miniatures older than you, so excuse me if I don't a squigs bottom about your opinion on the overal quality of the game I've been playing since before you were born.

Someone brought up a rumour that Ghazghkull Thraka would be moved to the LOW slot, I expressed my opinion that it would be a terrible idea if popular Special Characters being moved to the LOW slot became common place in future Codex's. Then someone remarked that we're like a bunch of grumpy old men complaining about the good old days - I countered that I'm not old at all and am already disillusioned.

And besides, I don't see how your age has any relevance to a player's personal opinion on the current and future quality of a game. So excuse if I don't give a feth whether my opinion irritates you. You can take your Rogue Trader Orks and stick them somewhere rude for all I care.

Now, I've expressed my opinion on the ORK RUMOUR about Ghazghkull Thraka being moved to the Lord of War slot and its wider implications for Warhammer 40K and have no more to say, unless you want to continue arguing and taking this thread off topic?

LOW HQ's would certainly be interesting, not 100% this is the right time/character though. Especially since there are no signs of a new model and the current stumpy lump of fine cast is hardly an intimidating prescience.

All this does however is pave the way for LOW Kaldor Draigo in his World-ending Dreadknight suit. 3000 points.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Where did the Ghaz as a Lord of War rumor even come from? All I recall of it originally was a thread showing off a Titan-sized conversion of Ghazkull with that title, not an actual rumor of any real rules change on that front.

A certian Image board that shall not be named I was on said boar when it happened. Someone posted a picture of a mechanob with every spare weapon they had in their bit box on and said 'This is the new Ghaz Model. He is now a Lord of War.' People laughed and joke and then we noticed some people where taking it seriously. The next thing i new I was starting to see the rumour elsewhere.

 Daveh wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Where did the Ghaz as a Lord of War rumor even come from? All I recall of it originally was a thread showing off a Titan-sized conversion of Ghazkull with that title, not an actual rumor of any real rules change on that front.

A certian Image board that shall not be named I was on said boar when it happened. Someone posted a picture of a mechanob with every spare weapon they had in their bit box on and said 'This is the new Ghaz Model. He is now a Lord of War.' People laughed and joke and then we noticed some people where taking it seriously. The next thing i new I was starting to see the rumour elsewhere.

http://pinsofwar.com/warhammer-40k-ork-rumors-ghazghkull-traka-lord-of-war/


Zweischneid
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Remember, Ghaz being a LoW is coming from BoLS/Naftka guys.. Grains of salt here.

Lets wait until the new codex drops in a couple of weeks before we say if its a good idea or not.


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 loki old fart wrote:

 Daveh wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Where did the Ghaz as a Lord of War rumor even come from? All I recall of it originally was a thread showing off a Titan-sized conversion of Ghazkull with that title, not an actual rumor of any real rules change on that front.

A certian Image board that shall not be named I was on said boar when it happened. Someone posted a picture of a mechanob with every spare weapon they had in their bit box on and said 'This is the new Ghaz Model. He is now a Lord of War.' People laughed and joke and then we noticed some people where taking it seriously. The next thing i new I was starting to see the rumour elsewhere.

http://pinsofwar.com/warhammer-40k-ork-rumors-ghazghkull-traka-lord-of-war/


Zweischneid
I am Zweischneid. Wargame Addict. Hopeless painter and founder of Pins of War. I hope you enjoyed this article. Don't forget to share your favourite miniature pictures and wargaming videos at www.pinsofwar.net.

I am mistaken it seems. Thanks for the post Loki. Still a rumour, gotta wait n' see!

I honestly can't believe that ghaz is moving, but if he is, so what? As another poster stated, people don't dislike the LoW slot, they dislike the super heavies and gargantuan creatures (regardless of how baseless their protestations are on the matter).

Ghaz just eats up a slot. If the rumor is true. And if true, I will eat my shorts.

I still think LoW should be reserved for superheavies and such, though.

Let's face it, none of the primarchs or ghazzy could possibly stand up to actual LoW choices. Hell, they can't even stand against a riptide or wraithknight, for that matter.

 Dakkamite wrote:
I'm like, super fething keen on Ghazghull as a LoW, even if I'm neutral on the others.

Thats definitely a direction I'm happy to see this game go in.

I'm not criticizing your opinion, but I don't understand it. What would moving Ghaz to a Lord of War slot do to change the direction of the game?

As I understand it, the ONLY effects moving him from HQ to LoW would have would be freeing up an HQ slot, and tying up a LoW slot, in a single Combined Arms detachment. Is there that much benefit in having the extra HQ slot? I mean, orks can have 4 HQs in 2 Standard detachments, and that only requires four troop slots. I suppose if a lot of tournaments or local games prohibit 2 detachments it might be beneficial, especially if you didn't have a Kill Bursta, Battle Fortress, Gargantuan Squiggoth, or Stompa for that LoW slot.

I'm opposed to it from an 'design intention' perspective, in that, for 40K, so far, all of the Lords of War have been massive superheavies or Gargantuan Creatures. I know that the Primarchs are LoW in 30K, but even as much as I love Ghaz, he doesn't seem to rise to primarch-level status. Now, if they changed his stats, I could see him occupying a position similar to a Primarch, but I think that's unnecessary and unsupported by the background. In any case, however, that would be an entirely different subject than moving him from HQ to LoW.

I hope that didn't come across as sarcastic or snide. I really don't understand what 'direction' it would move the game towards.

The direction I'm referring to is touched on in your post - any change that makes 40k more like 30k is a good one in my mind. A supercharged, Primarch-level Ghazghull would make for some interesting showdowns

I've only ever used my Ghazzy model as a proper Warboss in MA anyways. Used a different head, and smaller Gob.

But I was looking forward to FINALLY having an Eternal Warrior model in my army... I hope this bad rumor isn't true.

Where are the Warlord Traits? Gork and Mork powers? Boyz points costs? Dakkajet Special Rules? ORK CODEX PRE-ORDER???

Wazzdakka can, ask the still flaming skulls of the princeps on his bike