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 easysauce wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

TableTopJosh wrote:
Anyone else a little upset that the following scenario is a very realistic outcome with the new dex?
A trukk with 12 boyz gets exploded by a str 7 weapon. Opponent rolls well and wounds 7 boyz off of the new str 4 explosion. 6 die. Leadership test failed, roll on table and you get a 3. Roll a 5 and 4 boys die. You are left with 1 boy......

My trukks are so deadly now. Deadly in the sense that if they explode, which they will, the boys inside are reduced to a useless squad or killed.

Don't forget the morale test at the end of the phase for losing 25% of the unit

how does a str 7 weapon explode anything, now it must be ap2 or better, as well as pen, to cause blow up results.

since most people are glancing to death with str 7+ now, our trukks got a nice boost with 7th ed (i do miss ramshackle table, but trukks also got a pts reduction, so not bad over all)

so unless they are using lascannons or other ap2 or better stuff, the boys inside only have to pass a pinning check for wreked vehicles.

trukks are open top, you just need a 6 on a pen

Leerjawise wrote:

 easysauce wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

TableTopJosh wrote:
Anyone else a little upset that the following scenario is a very realistic outcome with the new dex?
A trukk with 12 boyz gets exploded by a str 7 weapon. Opponent rolls well and wounds 7 boyz off of the new str 4 explosion. 6 die. Leadership test failed, roll on table and you get a 3. Roll a 5 and 4 boys die. You are left with 1 boy......

My trukks are so deadly now. Deadly in the sense that if they explode, which they will, the boys inside are reduced to a useless squad or killed.

Don't forget the morale test at the end of the phase for losing 25% of the unit

how does a str 7 weapon explode anything, now it must be ap2 or better, as well as pen, to cause blow up results.

since most people are glancing to death with str 7+ now, our trukks got a nice boost with 7th ed (i do miss ramshackle table, but trukks also got a pts reduction, so not bad over all)

so unless they are using lascannons or other ap2 or better stuff, the boys inside only have to pass a pinning check for wreked vehicles.

trukks are open top, you just need a 6 on a pen

And with any AP1 weapon it'll explode on a 4+. 50% chance to lose just under half your Boyz in the initial explosion then watch them tear themselves apart.

Might bring my Railgun broadsides back out...

Trukk-boy mobs are useless now. What is going to happen in the new codex is people putting units of heavy hitting shooty stuff in them and flat-outting them into cover their 1st turn to unload (Flash Gitz) or putting units of MANz into them and flat-outing them with a boarding plank.

Ork players who didn't give Trukks much thought before are going to be buying one or two used ones on eBay from players whose Trukk-mob army is worthless.

Leerjawise wrote:

 easysauce wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

TableTopJosh wrote:
Anyone else a little upset that the following scenario is a very realistic outcome with the new dex?
A trukk with 12 boyz gets exploded by a str 7 weapon. Opponent rolls well and wounds 7 boyz off of the new str 4 explosion. 6 die. Leadership test failed, roll on table and you get a 3. Roll a 5 and 4 boys die. You are left with 1 boy......

My trukks are so deadly now. Deadly in the sense that if they explode, which they will, the boys inside are reduced to a useless squad or killed.

Don't forget the morale test at the end of the phase for losing 25% of the unit

how does a str 7 weapon explode anything, now it must be ap2 or better, as well as pen, to cause blow up results.

since most people are glancing to death with str 7+ now, our trukks got a nice boost with 7th ed (i do miss ramshackle table, but trukks also got a pts reduction, so not bad over all)

so unless they are using lascannons or other ap2 or better stuff, the boys inside only have to pass a pinning check for wreked vehicles.

trukks are open top, you just need a 6 on a pen

thats my bad, Im treating the 1 in 6 chance to roll a 6 as fairly negligent to happent.

before it was 5+... it can happen sure, but half as much now, it definatly sucks when it does, but that has always been the case with trukk boys... more so now that 50% will wound instead of 33%

the real question is,

why the hell were they shooting your trukk boys when you should have loads an loads of way more scary stuff closing in on them that are higher in the target priority.

I generally didnt take trukk boys before for the same reasons you mention, it sucks to have half of em die in the transport, if I did, its one or two that i can hide behind a BW or something so they dont get shot at.

so while I do really agree it sucks that that can happen, its not a new problem really.

Exactly. So why are they worse?... I'm not sitting here telling you they are more viable or in a better situation. I'm complaining because they are worse in the new codex.

 easysauce wrote:

Leerjawise wrote:

 easysauce wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

TableTopJosh wrote:
Anyone else a little upset that the following scenario is a very realistic outcome with the new dex?
A trukk with 12 boyz gets exploded by a str 7 weapon. Opponent rolls well and wounds 7 boyz off of the new str 4 explosion. 6 die. Leadership test failed, roll on table and you get a 3. Roll a 5 and 4 boys die. You are left with 1 boy......

My trukks are so deadly now. Deadly in the sense that if they explode, which they will, the boys inside are reduced to a useless squad or killed.

Don't forget the morale test at the end of the phase for losing 25% of the unit

how does a str 7 weapon explode anything, now it must be ap2 or better, as well as pen, to cause blow up results.

since most people are glancing to death with str 7+ now, our trukks got a nice boost with 7th ed (i do miss ramshackle table, but trukks also got a pts reduction, so not bad over all)

so unless they are using lascannons or other ap2 or better stuff, the boys inside only have to pass a pinning check for wreked vehicles.

trukks are open top, you just need a 6 on a pen

thats my bad, Im treating the 1 in 6 chance to roll a 6 as fairly negligent to happent.

before it was 5+... it can happen sure, but half as much now, it definatly sucks when it does, but that has always been the case with trukk boys... more so now that 50% will wound instead of 33%

the real question is,

why the hell were they shooting your trukk boys when you should have loads an loads of way more scary stuff closing in on them that are higher in the target priority.

I generally didnt take trukk boys before for the same reasons you mention, it sucks to have half of em die in the transport, if I did, its one or two that i can hide behind a BW or something so they dont get shot at.

so while I do really agree it sucks that that can happen, its not a new problem really.

I may try the new Ork detachment with 9 trukks of boyz at 918 points, for the lulz. Should make a lot of targets

worse or pointless?

so far I found that all units are quite balanced, and none become auto-take or auto-drop.

 easysauce wrote:
the real question is,

why the hell were they shooting your trukk boys when you should have loads an loads of way more scary stuff closing in on them that are higher in the target priority.

I generally didnt take trukk boys before for the same reasons you mention, it sucks to have half of em die in the transport, if I did, its one or two that i can hide behind a BW or something so they dont get shot at.

so while I do really agree it sucks that that can happen, its not a new problem really.

Presumably because they can neuter 150-200 pts very easily with a shot, whereas there's much less opportunity to do real damage to other parts of your army with those shots.

So Trukk boyz are pretty much junk on an explodes, or atleast the unit is reduced to around a 1/3 or less of its size when all the flailing is done. Are Ard Boyz in trukks going to be viable? The threat range per ppm on a trukk is awesome so it has to have some place in some army build, either through different units or mass redundancy?

TableTopJosh wrote:
I'm not a feething idiot who can't do divide number by 2. I was just giving an example of how things will go sometimes and how much it hurts our trukk boys.

Indeed. While it's not the average result, someone is going to lose a whole squad of trukkboyz without the boyz themselves being shot at.

The same issue occurs with the battlewagon too. If they take both sets of mob rule hits, the average unit of 7th Ed battlewagon boyz will have fewer models left over (11.83 dead, 8.17 alive) than a group of 4th Ed trukkboyz (3.3 dead, 8.67 alive)

if you have the FOC slot (or play unbound), the cost of trukk = the cost of rokkit pack.

Stormboys = trukkboys for cost.

There are only 12 boyz in the trukk, so giving them 'Eavy armor is not that expensive, and then you may lose much less boyz in the event the trukk explodes

But that only works for Boyz and Nobz, not for any other Orks, if I remember correctly what unit can or cannot take 'Eavy armor ...


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One more thing, that someone else pointed out a few pages ago: what if you have a Mek with KFF inside the Trukk?
When the Trukk explodes, can you use the KFF to protect the models inside or not?

I think the rule about KFF and transport will be FAQ very quickly. If GW thought "logic" to authorize template weapon to hit models in open-topped vehicle, then the KFF should protect those models too.

I would hope the KFF protects the squad inside. I can see no reason why it wouldn't other than GW being GW.

Also, I don't have my rulebook handy, do you place models and then work out wounds? If so, the KFF would protect the models in an explosion I think. If it's worked out before you put models down, it can be argued that it wouldn't.

Either way, we need to wait for exact wording from the dex, or more likely, a FAQ.

Kff only protected against shooting attacks.

 deffrekka wrote:


Ghaz supplement gives a new Warlord trait and relics section, some army wide rules if you use it and lots and lots of formations.
Some of the Relics:
4+ kff
Axe of Ragnarork: Every model you kill gives +1str -1ap,
Cybork body that's give 5+ fnp and Eternal warrior

If this is true, I need this. That axe looks ded choppy!

Sigmundr wrote:
I would hope the KFF protects the squad inside. I can see no reason why it wouldn't other than GW being GW.

Also, I don't have my rulebook handy, do you place models and then work out wounds? If so, the KFF would protect the models in an explosion I think. If it's worked out before you put models down, it can be argued that it wouldn't.

Either way, we need to wait for exact wording from the dex, or more likely, a FAQ.

It's not so great from what I can read:

- Explodes!
"nearby units suffer a S4 AP- hit for each model within D6" of the vehicle [...] The vehicle is then removed from the battlefield."

- Transport
"The unit suffers a number of S4 AP- hist equal to the number of models embarked. ... Surviving passengers are placed where the vehicle used to be and in unit coherency ..."

So, it looks more like: (1) resolve the hits/wounds first, (2) remove the vehicle, (3) place the surviving models


Wooops, KFF only protects from shooting attackes (Thanks Greyhound!)

So wait, people who buy the warboss edition get the supplement on sat but the rest of us have to wait until next week?

 Billagio wrote:
So wait, people who buy the warboss edition get the supplement on sat but the rest of us have to wait until next week?

Yes. And?

having never preordered something, or had something delivered to a store. How do you know when your order arrives at the store? Its meant to be there by saturday, but will I get a notification when it does arrive?

Dragonzord wrote:
having never preordered something, or had something delivered to a store. How do you know when your order arrives at the store? Its meant to be there by saturday, but will I get a notification when it does arrive?

If you preordered something and have requested pick-up from your local GW, and preordered it within the right timeframe, your order should be waiting for you on Saturday. You won't get a notification sometime during the week to say it's at the store, since they wouldn't be able to give it to you anyway.

Basically, if you preordered the stuff on the day it went up (or maybe a day or two after) assume it'll be there for you on Saturday.

WARSEER HAS THE PICS OF THE WARLORD TRAITS AND RELICS FOR WAAAGH! GHAZGHKULL UP EVERY BODY!!!!!

The warlord traits range between useful and useless to me (FNP one specifically, you likely already bought a painboy rather than gambling on getting a specific trait)

The relic KFF and the gun seem incredibly useful, the Klaw is perhaps a little over priced? (40 points to exchange all your attacks for one with insta death). But all look fun.

And now Dakka has the pics too.. Albeit the 1st image is pretty pants. Could've at least got the whole shebang in the pic instead of cutting off the important bit.

Warboss in mega armour, with the big boss pole, axe of ragnorork and killa shoota is what i would do, just feed him runty infantry to get the ap to 1, then go to town on elites


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Play the song from fallout 3, the one that goes, "he's hacking and slashing and scalping. He's hacking and slashing and scalping, chop that meat" hahaha

Ah, is this one of those supplements where all the special things are worse than in the parent codex?

Got the lyrics wrong, but this song must be played :p http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-gU_zcXa9GQ

 Greyhound wrote:
if you have the FOC slot (or play unbound), the cost of trukk = the cost of rokkit pack.

Stormboys = trukkboys for cost.

As I love the Stormboy models, this is interesting news. On the downside, Stormboyz were problematic thanks to how easily they die, so bringing the Trukks down to their level isn't exactly good news.

I'm still a little boggled that they didn't improve the dive-bombers at all. I've never even seen a Blitza-Bomba model. What does it look like? Is it nice?

The comment that Perfect Organism made about Warbikers is gold, though. I suspect that we will overall see a move away from Boyz + Nobz to units like Tankbustas, Gitz, Bikers; the semi-elite elements of the army doing the heavy lifting.

So take the big Boss pole and have fearless orks again. Sorted.

 Daveh wrote:
So take the big Boss pole and have fearless orks again. Sorted.

I might need to try and fit a shoota mob of 30 boyz in my list again...

 Dr. Delorean wrote:

Dragonzord wrote:
having never preordered something, or had something delivered to a store. How do you know when your order arrives at the store? Its meant to be there by saturday, but will I get a notification when it does arrive?

If you preordered something and have requested pick-up from your local GW, and preordered it within the right timeframe, your order should be waiting for you on Saturday. You won't get a notification sometime during the week to say it's at the store, since they wouldn't be able to give it to you anyway.

Basically, if you preordered the stuff on the day it went up (or maybe a day or two after) assume it'll be there for you on Saturday.

Yeah, thats what worries me. If i lived anywhere but Perth, i'd assume it'd be there on time... But living here, in the middle of nowhere, some kind of notification of it arriving would be good!

Guess i'll have to give them a call tomorrow and see if its available for pickup on saturday!