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2014/03/23 20:30:51
Subject: The Warmaster's Talon
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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Horus' claw is capable of reducing the Weapon Skill and Strength of anyone damaged by it.
My question to you is, if this would take an enemy model's Strength to 0 before they run out of Wounds, are they immediately removed from play as a result? Models with higher Wounds than Strength are rare but exist.
This is the interpretation I think is correct, but I am not certain. The BRB says so, but then, it may be different in the case of the talon, and it seems strange, so I am asking to be sure. What do you say, YMDC?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/03/23 20:31:27
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2014/03/23 20:35:29
Subject: The Warmaster's Talon
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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In fantasy if your s,t are reduced to 0 you are removed. Unsure about 40k. If you cannot find anything stating similar in 40k it seems like you keep on ambling about unable to hurt anything.
Away from Brb otherwise I would check....
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2014/03/23 20:39:03
Subject: The Warmaster's Talon
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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The BRB says so, but I ask anyway as I want to be 100% certain and I may have missed something.
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2014/03/23 20:58:05
Subject: The Warmaster's Talon
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Fixture of Dakka
Vanished Completely
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Page 3 has your answer.
Zero-Level Characteristics, last sentence which is nice and bold, states which characteristics trigger a model being removed as a casualty if they hit 0.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/03/23 20:59:01
8th made it so I can no longer sway Tau onto the side of Chaos, but they will eventually turn aside from their idea of the Greater Good to embrace the Greatest of pleasures. |
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2014/03/23 21:00:47
Subject: The Warmaster's Talon
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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So, that is all?
Very good then.
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2014/03/23 21:09:05
Subject: The Warmaster's Talon
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Fixture of Dakka
Vanished Completely
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Unless the model has some very weird Special Rule which keeps them in play if one of these characteristics hit 0, but I can't think of any.
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8th made it so I can no longer sway Tau onto the side of Chaos, but they will eventually turn aside from their idea of the Greater Good to embrace the Greatest of pleasures. |
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2014/03/23 21:28:03
Subject: The Warmaster's Talon
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Irked Necron Immortal
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also, not sure about the rule for horus' claw, but a lot of those stat reducing rules have additional text that limits how much the skill can reduced by.
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2014/03/24 07:01:54
Subject: The Warmaster's Talon
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Boosting Space Marine Biker
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I believe there is also a rule which prevent this from working. It has been discussed similarly when talking about attempting to enfeeble units to death. simply does not work if my memory is correct
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2014/03/24 07:25:48
Subject: The Warmaster's Talon
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
Adelaide, South Australia
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 dmthomas7 wrote:I believe there is also a rule which prevent this from working. It has been discussed similarly when talking about attempting to enfeeble units to death. simply does not work if my memory is correct
You can't Enfeeble models to death because maledictions can never reduce stats below 1.
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 Ailaros wrote:You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!" |
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2014/03/24 08:54:20
Subject: The Warmaster's Talon
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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 disdamn wrote:also, not sure about the rule for horus' claw, but a lot of those stat reducing rules have additional text that limits how much the skill can reduced by.
Horus' claw lacks such a USR.
However, a target needs to have higher W than Str for such a thing to even be possible, and such units are rare.
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2014/03/24 09:07:04
Subject: The Warmaster's Talon
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Hmm, tervigon? 6W S5, from memory. Cant think of many more....
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2014/03/24 10:05:45
Subject: The Warmaster's Talon
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
Adelaide, South Australia
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Ku'gath or any Great Unclean One with Corpulescence will be S6 W7.
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Ailaros wrote:You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!" |
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2014/03/24 10:51:30
Subject: The Warmaster's Talon
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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Not that it's necessary to use the Talon once they reach s2 and thus can't harm him...
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2014/03/24 11:50:43
Subject: The Warmaster's Talon
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Also anything with IWND or has access to powers or abilities that restore wounds. However as the claw only reduces S by one each round regardless of number of wounds caused in practicality this is very unlikely to ever come up. But yes it is possible.
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