Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

The Tyranid formations are poorly designed with some having no right to exist in the game (Skyblight). It is awful that FMC spam is the only strong Nid build. That's not to say that there are not changes to the dex that I like.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 PrinceRaven wrote:
You're thinking of the old Lurk though (the one that made sense). New Lurk is on a 1-3 you run away from the terrain you're hiding in (fall back).

Okay, I see. So now the lurking gaunt are more like scared of the big guys running around doing a lot of noise, and would rather attack the sick and old animals left behind by the tribe.

Well, from a pure fluff point of view, that does not seem so out of place, even though the fall back is a bit harsh, and something like making a morale test after taking just one wound rather than loosing 25% of the unit would make more sense. Maybe the details of the mechanic needs to be ironed out, but the basic idea seems okay to me. Of course, giving other way to mitigate it would be nice too. Like adding those awesome mutants, but it really seems I am the only one who loves them. Gaunt should have mutants options like other units have leader and special weapon options

I've read some really good fluff entries and Black Library novels which accurately show what lurking Tyranids do: Hide in terrain or buildings and wait to ambush the enemy. The 1-3 result on new Lurk doesn't represent this at all, you can have some Termagants hiding in a building or camping an objective in a ruin and for no reason at all they get spooked and run away from the terrain they're supposed to want to hide in. That doesn't sound like ambush tactics to me.
Sure, they'll run away if there's an actual threat attacking them, which is perfectly represented by morale tests made against leadership 6.

 xttz wrote:
The cleanest solution I can see would be allowing Warriors to join gaunt broods as a kind of sergeant. That keeps things in line without being ridiculously easy to pick off.

Ya know, I think this is why the Tyranid Prime is so massively over costed. They decided to make an IC Synapse, but then decided that was too good so they better cost it so high that no one thinks it's a viable way to get synapse.

Honestly, the fact that it takes up an HQ slot is a bigger deterrent to me than the ridiculous points cost. If I could get a Prime in Elites I would probably do it, attach it to a Venomthrope, then stick them both in a Bastion.

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Honestly, the fact that it takes up an HQ slot is a bigger deterrent to me than the ridiculous points cost. If I could get a Prime in Elites I would probably do it, attach it to a Venomthrope, then stick them both in a Bastion.

Every FOC slot of the Tyranids is over loaded. I usually don't have a spare elite nor do I have a spare HQ. IMO they should have just given Tyranids a bigger FOC to start with.

I always max out on Heavy Support and HQ but very rarely am I out of Elite slots, and when I am it's because I'm running a second Zoanthrope for Synapse.

I list build a great deal for 'Nids because I always fancy painting a gore based one and I too run into the issues of force organization restrictions.

The one army that could use the ability to break force organization entirely is not allowed while the armies with currently the most ridiculous level of toys get to do so willy-nilly.

Troubling. And it would be even "fluffy" for the 'Nids as they "adapt" to the setting.

The Tyranid Prime moving to elite, maybe taken as a 1-3 choice, and dropping back down to previous points cost would be a game changer, I bet.

Also, Wings. Wings wings wings.

This codex was such a huge disappointment. Fluff and model-wise Tyranids are awesome, you would think the army would also be a gold mine for a game designer. The unique units/playstyles are already there, just need to smash the ball and cash in. Instead the rules team lit a cigarette and watched the tennis ball fly past them in a slow loop.

Data slates aren’t the answer for people like me were the tournaments are printed codices only, and friendly games follow.

New Haruspex. Read the fluff, awesome, I see a fast tar-pitting monster, Mauler-fiend esque but more oomph and a uniqe way of closing the distance. Then read the rules. Wat. The model team must have forgot to mention to the game designers that the Exocrine was a dual kit, until a couple of days before deadline.

The T4 range is staying untouched on the shelves. This, along with spores gone, was to me the biggest let-down in the codex. Raveners don’t even get close combat biomorphs. I guess the Great Devourer forgot how to make them by sheer embarassment after mistakingly giving AG/TS to Hive Guards.

Special characters removed or inexplicably nerfed. They could so easily have opened up the FOC by allowing Parasite open up Gargoyles as troops, and so on. Or just a Flyrant doing the same.
Swarmlord is a joke, lost so much utility and force multiplication with Biomancy. Even his home turf, being the baddest dude in combat, was soiled on. And a point hike. Wat.
Deathleaper, who thought it was a good idea to shift him to HQ, now that Elite slots aren’t crowded anymore but HQ slots are taken by the monobuild? With IB and no synapse? Have fun with ’only snapshots!’ when Vector Strikes ignore that completely. Needed so little to be viable, like T5 and synapse.

Tyranid Prime insane point hike, because buy another Tyrant kit instead.

Spore deployment ripped out of the codex and no alternative play style replacement???

Close combat weapons back to bland, generic space marine standard mechanic. Why?
Scything Talons, no rerolls for you, AP6. Wait, what? What? Why? I had a bunch of Termagants chow through a brood of ScyTal Carnifexes in a tournament last week, because they couldn’t hit my Gants. Poor fella.
Trygon hasn’t gotten any play time since 6th ed killed Fleet, so they made him even worse. *ironic applause*

Genestealer/Trygon cost stay the same. Because F you, close combat fans. Trygon hole couldn’t even be fixed with a data slate. Subterranian Assault, HAHAHA *crying*

Troops are a pain to add to a list. Tervigon with tax still your best bet, although not much above nekkid hiding Warriors. Zero theme.

Two Flyrants three Crones and whatever MC’s except Trygons you want in your HS and that’s your viable build. Any other build and you need rigid social contracts to make it a game.

I win almost as much as with the Biomancy codex, I have a lof of fun with the flying circus but I don't see the alternative build prolonging the lifespan of the codex.

Trygons are actually 10 points cheaper, which still doesn't make up for the Scything Talons nerf.

Yeah, I just couldn't be arsed to type 'more or less'. The rules are a shame on a great model.

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Trygons are actually 10 points cheaper, which still doesn't make up for the Scything Talons nerf.

Correct.

Trygons used to be 200 points in their 5th edition incarnation, which at the time was a bit on the high side, but not insanely so.

Since then;
Melee has been nerfed via random charge ranges, over watch and a handful of other small changes. Which warrants a moderate points decrease.
Fleet has been nerfed and no longer allows run + charge. Which warrants a minor points decrease.
Shooting has good bat gak crazy over the top, and T6 W6 3+ save is....not a lot anymore.
The nerf to scything talons dropped their melee damage output by around 25% against WS4 and less, warranting a solid points decrease.

If trygons were 150 points I still don't think anyone would take them competitively.