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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 13:45:15
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Dangerous Bestigor
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At my FLGS last Friday I was looking for a game. I got there late so my normal buddies were already paired up. This guy says he will play me he has a custom SM chapter. I say cool. I start putting my models down and so does he....
He has 3 or 4 20oz coke bottles for drop pods and 3 or 4 badly crafted cardboard rhinos. They were bad. Like duct tape and cardboard. It wasn't like a scratch built Titan which can be beautiful. I'm not jabbing that kind of homebuilt stuff.
Anyways it was hilarious to me. Now I play at a large shop like 15+ tables and I've seen some shish but not like that.
I stop him and tell him I don't play with pop bottles and cardboard. He said that I wasn't being cool. I said I wasn't sorry.
Anyone else had a similar experience? I saw another thread where a guy and his buddy were proxying a coke can for a IK. That's cool between friends for an experiment. I get that but pop bottles and cardboard c'mon now!!
If I come off like a GW elitist I get that. Use third party, I am cool with I get its a pricey game but you have to at least try...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 13:49:31
Subject: Re:Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Lord of the Fleet
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I generally agree with you.
There are times and places for proxies of that caliber, but if I'm looking for a pick up game, I'm expecting at least assembled models that are either WYSIWYG or close enough to not be a confusing mess that detracts from the game.
I think I'd walk away from someone I wasn't close friends with who wanted to play with pop bottles and cardboard.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 13:54:15
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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Wow....I've proxied beer bottles for a forest when playing Fantasy (they were even green bottles) but that's...just wow I've never seen anyone try that, and anyone who did would be laughed out of the FLGS I play at because the people take pride in their armies (even if some of said people aren't always big on actually painting their armies).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 13:55:07
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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In games with my friends we've used stacks of solo cups as drop pods, and a Monolith balanced on top of a land raider as a stompa, but to roll out with your entire army made out of crap at the FLGS is just dumb.
Were his infantry models and everything else legit? I might let a few home built vehicles fly as long as they were the right size and I knew what they were, but from the sound of it he basically just made no effort to put together a real army.
I might have played him just because it was funny, but if there was so much home built garbage that I couldn't even keep track of it or it legitimately detracted from the game play then yeah, I can see where you're coming from.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 13:59:45
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Dangerous Bestigor
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He had like 2 10 man squads if legit SM. Primed black at least but he had some WFB guys he was going to use as scouts. I think they were old OOP Bret models if I remember. They had muskets and square bases. I didn't let him get any further after that.
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Kings of War Herd
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 14:11:26
Subject: Re:Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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Besides the odd proxy or two the only thing that stands out to me was a few years back. This guy asks if I want to play and I say sure, he says he has tau and I tell him I have SM. I start putting my stuff out and he goes "do you have any proxies?" I say no and he goes "oh, but would you mind playing against somebody who does". It was kinda weird, but I said no. He goes "oh good". He puts down like 3 sawed in half shoe boxes and goes "these are hammerheads" and then puts down like fifty or so dice dice and goes "these are fire warriors". He then starts reaching for more when I stop him and say "I'm sorry, but I couldn't keep track of everything being substituted, but if you have another army I will play."
Anyway he got kinda mad, but thats how things go. I almost wish I didn't stop him in order to see what else he was proxying, almost.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 14:18:37
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I personally have learned that the box a crisis suit comes in is exactly the same footprint as a Hammerhead (and a deck of cards is about the same size as a piranha, but I only did that one once)... but don't think I have pulled any proxies of that magnitude for quite some time. I was over at a friend's house when some people wanted to play 40k and I didn't have my models, so I borrowed one of their goblin armies from WHFB and played an entire army of goblins counts as fire warriors. That game actually went really well for me because all my models were so un-thretening that everybody ignored me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 14:30:15
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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That seems a bit extreme on his end. I could see something like "Hey I'm thinking of buying an IK/Drop Pod/3x Rhinos but want to see how they perform, mind if I proxy it for this game" but not something like that. IMO at least use something that looks roughly the same - like if you want to proxy some toy truck as a Land Raider because you're seeing if its worth buying, that's better than cardboard.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 14:34:19
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Irked Necron Immortal
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As a general rule I don't mind proxies. As long as the vast bulk of your army is legit I'm cool with coke bottles being drop pods. In the end I realize that 40K is an expensive game and I think that a lot of people forget that not everyone can afford the exorbitant prices that GW charges. WIP models is something that I get as well as in the "hey this model isn't finished yet, can I proxy this (insert weird home object here) for this game?"
That being said, I will say I draw the line the OP situation. If you can't field at least 75% of a legit army I don't think that you are ready to play against random people. Friends maybe, but even when I first started, I refused to play my first game until I had a 500 point army primed and painted. But that was just me.
If you want to proxy say, tac marines as terminators because you are thinking about buying them and want to see how they work, GO FOR IT! Hey this Rhino is actually a Baal Predator this game? GO FOR IT!! Hey my six coke bottles are drop pods and these Citadel Paint bottles are terminators, and also this Sharpie Marker box is a Land Raider, and this silly putty ball with some paper clips in it counts as my HQ? WAIT A SECOND....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 14:45:44
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Shade of Despair and Torment
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Toilet paper tubes as killa kans, with popsicle stick arms.
Empty bases as stealth tau in stealth mode.
Color copied, cut out pics of space marine miniatures, glued on cardboard (think 28mm scale standees), his entire 2k army was that!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 14:46:44
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Smokin' Skorcha Driver
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In my group we do proxy alot but that is due to testing units before buying them. I will say that all of the proxies are measured to be the right size and all labeled so the opponent knows exactly what the unit is. Personally I HATE bringing anything that is not fully painted but have no problems if other proxy as long as it is well labeled.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 14:48:32
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Shade of Despair and Torment
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Oh, guy had guard army made of toy green soldiers (non gw) & not to scale....
A guy used his pack of cigarettes as a rhino to get army to 2k.... Automatically Appended Next Post: Lego stand ins...
Toy stand ins, I'm talking a toddler toy, not cool collector calibermcfarlane toy, but a mickey mouse as a greater deamon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 15:02:58
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Irked Necron Immortal
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krazynadechukr wrote:
Toy stand ins, I'm talking a toddler toy, not cool collector calibermcfarlane toy, but a mickey mouse as a greater deamon.
Seems legit. I'd allow it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 15:10:01
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Fixture of Dakka
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I wouldn't mind something simple, but the fact you say they were made deliberately to be Rhinos implies this is a less than enjoyable person to play against.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 15:13:45
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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As I've said in other Proxie threads, if a buddy is trying out a new unit before he buys it, fine. If I'm playing someone new, as long as the proxie is consistent (all flamers are really meltas), fine.
What was described in the OP? Nah. I'd shake his hand and wish him luck, but I wouldn't play that. Your FLGS allows cardboard rhinos and coke bottle drop pods?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 15:22:32
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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I don't mind using excess amount of proxy. BUT I'm a stickler for base size correctness. SM Tacs for Termies? No. 'Nid Warriors as Termies? Go ahead! Most vehicle proxies I could care less about. My brother wanted to try Rhino Rusk with his CSM and I let him proxy a few cubes of LEGO briks as rhinos. Another time, I had a LEGO tank Proxied as a BW and a smaller LEGO Trukk as a Looted Wagon. I would have accepted the Drop pods and Rhinos as long as the guy had proper infantry
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 15:26:36
Subject: Re:Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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I don't mind some proxies, but I would never agree to play against an army of that caliber. The only real proxies I think I ever recall using was my first game of 40k, playing with my buddies Space wolves, since my Tyranids were still on order. I used 2 of the GW grass flock bins as drop pods, and we both instantly agreed that the size was fine, but height was infinite.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 15:32:09
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Cowboy Wannabe
London
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Pick up game; very minimal and reasonable proxies only - not those in the OP.
Game with friends; much more lenient, especially if they are trying something out.
There is nothing wrong in refusing a game like that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 15:33:48
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Shrieking Traitor Sentinel Pilot
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If I can't discern units visually and it doesn't look like my opponent has made any effort to build an army, I don't want to play. It becomes annoying asking what is what every few minutes.
I would not have played with coke-box guy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 16:02:37
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I think there is this time around third week of playing when people stop seeing you as the new guy who wants to play 500pts and see you as just the new guy , when someone has a 1500pts army by then it is ok , but if not then no one will play under 1500 games with him and then playing with counts as or proxies is the only way to get in games
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 16:10:28
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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How old was the person you're playing against?
I ask because teenagers, especially young teenagers, don't have the kind of cash to fund an adult hobby. I've certainly played games against armies of the crudeness you're talking about before.
Absolutely speaking, yeah, having an army of popsicle sticks and pop bottles is pretty bad, but relatively speaking, there are contexts where I'd find it acceptable.
Especially depending on the reason the person is proxying. If they're proxying because they have 500 points of models and are too poor to play in a 1500 point league, well fine, but if they're just starting tau as their second army so that they can field a triptide list and beat your face in, then they'd better have the real models.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 16:24:18
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
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I always thought you played the game to use your models, not bought your models to play the game.
YMMV.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 16:28:10
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Dangerous Bestigor
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The guy was my age 35ish I'd guess. I got no problem playing my buddy who proxies DE for BA because he wanted to see if he should buy the army. That was cool. My other buddy who proxies a mountain for a void shield generator. There was no model no biggie. Side note he hates me because I have on arriving today actually lol.
Anyways I can dig proxy SM for termies or this storm raven is a fire raptor. You have a real GW model. Not an issue.
Don't come at me with pop bottles and act like I'm the D for calling you out on it.
The shop owner is a super nice guy. He doesn't charge us to play. He doesn't question when guys show up with stuff he knows they didn't buy from him. He could but he isn't like that. I buy 90% of my stuff from him cuz of his demeanor.
He told me that guy shows up and most people don't say nothing because they don't want to be seen as a a- hole.
I've spent to much money and time on this hobby to be ok with coke bottles for Friday night games. I hate when I have something new thats not painted I feel embarrassed.
I'm glad to see the most of the community agrees with me. Makes me love 40k that much more.
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Kings of War Herd
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 16:47:22
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Irked Necron Immortal
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lobbywatson wrote:
I've spent to much money and time on this hobby to be ok with coke bottles for Friday night games. I hate when I have something new thats not painted I feel embarrassed.
While I feel that you were not in the wrong for not wanting to play this guy, I feel like this statement is...wow. So are you saying that because you have spent time and money that someone else can't they aren't worthy of playing you? I agree with not taking that guy up on the game because lord knows I probably wouldn't have based on your description of his overall army, but man that statement sounds elitist and kind of unforgiving. Now if this guy has been playing the game forever, and hasn't invested a single dime, well I see where you are coming from. I'm not trying to be insulting but only interpreting what you posted so if I got the wrong idea I apologize.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 16:50:19
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Well, having a bad personality is having a bad personality, regardless of what others do.
Of course, I am somewhat left to wonder what a person is really like when they use phrases like "calling you out" and "I've spent too much money on this to be okay with..." and feeling hatred and embarrassment for other people when they're not behaving up to their standards...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 17:07:13
Subject: Coke bottles and cardboard...
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Dangerous Bestigor
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Murdius Maximus wrote: lobbywatson wrote:
I've spent to much money and time on this hobby to be ok with coke bottles for Friday night games. I hate when I have something new thats not painted I feel embarrassed.
While I feel that you were not in the wrong for not wanting to play this guy, I feel like this statement is...wow. So are you saying that because you have spent time and money that someone else can't they aren't worthy of playing you? I agree with not taking that guy up on the game because lord knows I probably wouldn't have based on your description of his overall army, but man that statement sounds elitist and kind of unforgiving. Now if this guy has been playing the game forever, and hasn't invested a single dime, well I see where you are coming from. I'm not trying to be insulting but only interpreting what you posted so if I got the wrong idea I apologize.
I feel embarrassed when my stuff isn't painted. "My" being key there. I could give a crap about playing against grey models. They joke is at the store the 3 color minimum is resin grey, plastic gray and pewter grey!!
You just have to have models. Mantic, Victoria, Mierce, Infinity, whoever. You have to have models in my book. If that's elitist I'm guilty. I'm ok with that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 17:28:02
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Wanting to play with and against actual miniatures in a miniatures game is reasonable, and not at all elitist.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 17:38:15
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Neophyte undergoing Ritual of Detestation
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you're not wrong...
but you're certainly not right
as long as the "gamepieces" being used are comparable in size/shape to the intended model(s) then I have absolutely no problem with this since it will have zero affect on the gameplay/rules.
You feel free to empty your bank account at the GW altar.
This guy?...maybe doesn't have deep pockets ...he just loves the game.
(Assuming he wasn't a real Dbag opponent)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 17:40:19
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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bastion01 wrote:you're not wrong... but you're certainly not right as long as the "gamepieces" being used are comparable in size/shape to the intended model(s) then I have absolutely no problem with this since it will have zero affect on the gameplay/rules. You feel free to empty your bank account at the GW altar. This guy?...maybe doesn't have deep pockets ...he just loves the game. (Assuming he wasn't a real Dbag opponent) I think there's a difference though. It's one thing to field let's say WW2 Germans in 28mm as Imperial Guard, with a Tiger as a Leman Russ. It's totally another to have an "army" that consists of dice "infantry" and a shoebox "tank". Outside actual proxying for something you want to try before you buy, at least try to use something that looks similar. Like if you wanted to Proxy a Heldrake, go buy a toy pterodactyl or something for a couple of bucks, at least it looks like a dragon/bird thing, don't just say "This bottle is a Heldrake", that's just pathetic IMO.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/28 18:38:47
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Shade of Despair and Torment
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2,000 point Tyranid 2d paper printed army! I would never play this person. It is an abuse of the proxy law!
"Hey, can my $1.67 army that took me 22 minutes to put together play against your $700, propainted, converted, Forgeworld army?"
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